Pragmatism KILLS liberty...ALWAYS!

And I'm starting to wonder about the increasing posts here at DP pushing for it. The plants are at work, spinning and trying to control thought here, trying to lead folks astray. They always urge joining with the Establishment and accepting evil in hopes of changing it later on. Yeah, right. Been there, done that, won't happen. For some reason Ron Paul can't/won't clean house. That is just one more obstacle in the path of liberty. They will continue to co-opt, corrupt, lie, threaten and cheat and they do it here as well as within the campaign.

the moral IS the practical.

How?

Purists very seldom get elected and when they are, they very seldom get much legislation passed.

"But we're not supposed to want to pass laws." Think! You can't repeal past, harmful legislation if you don't pass new laws to repeal them.

Seen a lot of pragmatism debates within Christianity. That's how it got co-opted. That's how the apple got eaten, etc.

Being little evil is like being a little bit pregnant.

You find total freedom at one end and complete subjugation at the other. Neither of these extremes is achievable; we always fall somewhere between the two.

Each time we compromise liberty, we move toward complete subjugation. Each compromise moves us farther away from freedom until our society becomes unrecognizable as a free society.

Almost all new laws subject us more of the tyranny of government. The accumulation of laws is beyond comprehension. We don't have free markets; government controlled markets have replaced much of our economic freedom. The intrusions into our personal freedom are widespread. It is the desire of some to plunder and control the majority that motivates them to insist on laws and it is those willing to compromise freedom who have allowed these laws to get on the books.

There is absolutely no justification to compromise freedom, yet this is what most politicians willingly do. This is how we have arrived to this point in history where civil war or revolution are seemingly our only viable options.

Let me put this forth:

Ron Paul has refused to compromise for 30 years in Congress. What is the net effect? How has he improved our liberty in this country? He's done almost nothing; we've seen that in this campaign. Like Jack Hunter said, we may be "moving in the right direction", after 30 years? Are we satisfied with that?

It makes sense no to be "pragmatic" when you have the upper hand; but when you are the minority you need to compromise and get what you can, sometimes.

I am playing devil's advocate here, but I think there is merit to the idea that we get to the endzone by moving the ball yard by yard, not by waiting around for the hail-mary pass to connect.

...good and evil.

The genetics of politics ALWAYS give you evil as offspring. ALWAYS.

Intellectual Libertarianism is unworkable. Rothbards utopia sound great, but doesn't account for human behavior. You could make it work with robots. It is the EXACT same thing with Marxist governmentless Communism, which is basically libertarian socialism. People would VOLUNTEER to go and contribute to society and would do so more or less equally, and would be happy with their part of society. The idea that people would work together harmoniously as part of society voluntarily is just as silly as the idea that we can have any kind of functioning society with no generally agreed upon rules.

Liberty REQUIRES pragmatism AS LONG AS there are other people living next to you. Otherwise you end up with chaos, fuedalism, death, destruction because the evil and powerful in society will take advantage of their freedom to coalesce power and harm others.

It is like having a soccer game with no referees. SOMEONE has to referee, as unintrusively to the game as possible.

Literally, pragmatism is the difference between liberty and anarchy. Without pragamtism, liberty won't be trambled, it will be toppled, blown up and then set on fire.