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Doug Wead Full Facebook chat 6-13-12

This is a recording of Doug Wead's Ron Paul chat session on Facebook on 6-13-12. (55 min.)


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It Seems That Doug Wead Reads This Site

He said he reads the Ron Paul forums.

Hi Doug! Thanks for all your great work.

"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Adam Kokesh Is Wronger Than I Realized

First, he is wrong about Doug Wead. Doug Wead is a real supporter. "I sleep well at night." He is not just in it for a paycheck. No way.

Second, he may be wrong about Benton Tate and Hunter. Look what they did with so little money relative to Romney. And with such a hostile media.

Adam is an outsider and speculates a great deal. It sounds to me like he has a personal vendetta with Jesse. I am more inclined to trust Wead, who saw things from the inside.

And listen to what Wead says about Rand Paul. He says that if anyone can resist the slippery slope of playing Washington games, it's Rand Paul. I for one believe him.

Rand is trying to prevent World War III the best way he knows how. Let's not begrudge him the chance to do so.

With Adam, it's all or nothing. Either you espouse and adhere to the non-aggression principle 110% of the time or you are a statist and an arch enemy. (Does anyone watching this video find Doug Wead to be an arch enemy?)

Rand is not a statist. Yes he voted for the sanctions, but they were going to pass regardless and he knew he would forfeit too much political capital by be being the sole dissenting vote. That vote does not reflect his heart and soul.

I don't know what reference Adam keeps harping on about Rand saying people should be arrested for attending certain political rallies, but until I hear more specfics I say "give me a break." Rand is one of the best civil liberties Senators in this nation's history.

Clearly Ron Paul was ready to concede before Rand's endorsement of Romney. Accordingly, I don't see how we can take issue with the timing of the endorsement. He waited until after his dad's campaign had crunched the numbers and decided they could not win -- or until the RNC told them they would under no circumstances let him have the nomination ("They're not going to give it to us"--Doug Wead).

It seems Rick Santorum's decision to drop out was a huge blow to Dr. Paul's chances to force a brokered convention. Probably the RNC got to Santorum and promised to push him in 2016 if he dropped out.

If it turns out to be Rand vs. Rick in 2016 then I say, to quote Rand Paul, "bring it on."

"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

This certainly

This certainly alleviates any suspicions anyone might have had about Doug Wead. He is clearly a good and honest person. I'm not sure it does much to reassure those who have been concerned about the campaign:
the premature concession, the isolation and silence of Dr. Paul Sr., Rand's endorsement of Romney. Still, it is a nice interview.


i had read that rp had raised about 34 mil on the first run for president, everyone remembers the 6 million dollar day, on this run only 36 million was raised. why? there were a lot of supporters that worked their buns off and did everything they could to bring in revenue. they went above and beyond the call of duty. supporters were talking about ron doing this and ron doing that, they expected ron to foot the bill? we asked him to run and promised that we would support him. well we didn't. so it melts down to all talk and no action.


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I found this puzzling too

By all sense I would've predicted a 100% rise in donations. Somewhere around $60MM this time around.

Does this total include SuperPAC money?

Currently consuming: Morehouse's "Better off free", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

people have less money this

people have less money this time around, I for one was a new donor after doing my own research this time around. And I and many other new supporters like me gave what they could. Its the ones that last time around either lost their jobs or had financial trouble. They should have set up something for ppl like donate $5-20 a week automatically. Just think if 1 million RP supporters would sign up for something like that, I would have.

New donor

I was a new donor also. I also pulled another 10 new donors that contributed to each money bomb. I also got my parents to contribute(the first time ever to a political campaign). It has to be the economy issue, because I know that we all dumped a lot of cash into the campaign and it was all new blood.

quite clarifying

but surely I don't agree with the reasoning that if Rmoney has the majority of the RNC delegates then he has enough to pick whoever he wants to VP. Technically it is true, he could always pick a mickeymouse, but not politically this year. In fact he must pick somebody who could bring him enough votes in the November election - enough to beat Obama, otherwise he will obviously lose. And that somebody, who is it this year when we examine the structure of the preferences among independent voters? You decide, literally.

probably just the user

But I finally gave up on this video after it was playing about 10 seconds and then buffering for another 30-40 seconds. Dying to listen to the whole thing. Is there another version anywhere?

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This is really good

Does Doug do this often? I'm looking at his facebook page and there is nowhere to add comments.

Currently consuming: Morehouse's "Better off free", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

Sore Loser Laws?

"Many States have sore loser laws... that if you run for President on one party, you can't run for President in the same election cycle on another party..." -Wead

Perhaps there's a grain of truth to that [giving Wead some mysterious benefit of doubt], but it's blatantly NOT true in the way Wead explained it.

Gary Johnson shall be on the ballot in all 50 States!


The sore loser laws do not apply to Johnson.

He is on the ballot in all 50 States under the Libertarian Party, not the Republican Party. Your comment on the subject misses the mark. Wead's explanation hits the target, dead on.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Please listen again.

He talks about it from just before the ten minute mark. He is either explaining it too simplistically or he is misinformed [or lying][I don't imagine him to be lying.]. Perhaps there are details in the laws regarding acquisistion of delegates, timing [registration deadlines], or whatever. Perhaps it gets complicated. Perhaps he omits details for ease of conveyance through video chat, i don't know, but listen again. In the simple way Wead explains it, Gary Johnson would NOT make it on the ballot in all fifty States. Gary ran for President on one party, he lost out, he is now running for President on another party in the same election cycle. Either something is wrong about the way Wead explained it, or Johnson is wrong in claiming that he will be on the ballot in fifty States.

Gary Dropped Out Soon Enough To Avoid The Sore Loser Laws

That's why he dropped out so early; if he had waited longer he would have been subject to the sore loser laws.

"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

If you don't have the time to listen to this now,

Bookmark it! Listen to it as soon as you are able, even if in pieces.

Thanks, Maeve! Listened to this last night. Quite a lot to digest.

For those grumbling about the paid campaign staff, if all of what I contributed went into Doug Wead's pocket, I wouldn't mind that a bit. Besides our good Doctor, Doug Wead is the best thing we've got going for us.... and us for both of them, too.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Great Interview

This is a great interview! Doug does a great job answering questions and Isreal is a great host. My favorite line from Doug is "You can't buy Ron Paul"

what was interesting to me

was mr. wead's comment that ron could have made a better run at romney except he didn't have the money. thanks to ron's supporters who stopped donating because they didn't like the way ron was running the campaign. it wasn't the campaign that failed, it was the unbelievers.


Awesome, your blame is noted.

Awesome, your blame is noted. Now what?

The Chicken or the Egg

Was confidence lost in April with back room deal(s) to allow RNC merger w/Team Rominee? unchallenged. How to lose Tx & Ca 1.01.

I do not agree

Even in April RP was not scoring high in TX, NJ, CA polls. After RNC declared Romney as winner, it should had actually helped us. Only few republicans bothered to go to the primaries. Voting stations were virtually empty - and ... there were no RP supporters either. Even with low turn out of neo-cons, RP supporters were only 10-15%

Sensable if,

You trust AP, FOX, etc, oh and diebold. I live in Texas & regardless, RP had not quit but the media "Ron Paul effectively QUIT". Texas & Ca voters feel shortchanged..Sorry, that is the end effect in moral.
Again, chicken or egg? Clue: "If the egg is not hatched, it will rot".

I do not

know when young among us mature or grow balls big enough to understand that finding scapegoats is a convenient way to escape looking in the mirror.

Our government is a mere reflection of people we have become, us included.

The Bismark

Was taken out due to a broken rudder. One torpedo.

Good point

Blue Republicans and Alex Jones' populists were taken for granted as solid RP supporters. It turned out few of them registered GOP for the primaries or donated.

Yes, unfortunately

The Declaration On The Record by Reince of the agreed abandonment of rule 11 took its toll on Texas. Take a look into Greta's eyes when she asked, "What about Ron Paul, isn't he is still in the race?". Reminded me of the Jesse Ventura stare.

You know it's REALLY OFFENSIVE that DP is advertising ROMNEY

on this site. I understand why he's doing it, but after all this crap, it just RUBS me the WRONG WAY!


is prerequisite of a free society. That also stresses individual liberty and personal interests.

Imagine hypothetical future free society. Can you imagine a frustration of a life long RP supporter who might lose in a fair free-market competition to a former Goldman Sachs employee?

Are your pockets as deep as Goldman Sacs'?

Mine aren't. We did the best we could. Those who followed the path of a well known concern troll on DP and didn't contribute, certainly didn't help matters. But, the blame is not theirs. How many here have the Fed as their personal bankers?

The fault, dear ducky, lies not with us.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Yes, no need to point fingers

Yes, no need to point fingers. Both arguments are correct.
1) If all RP supporters gave $200 each - that will be $200mil + ???
2) Goldman Sachs does not donate, it is employees who donate, they like to keep their job as trade unions do. It is not their fault that Supreme Court allowed PACs money. Otherwise they can only give $2,500.
3) Santorum proved that even without money one can win. Santorum won plurality in 7 states, RP only in 2-3.

The bottom line our ideas do not sell without bad economy. American people may easily change their minds about wars, torture, bail outs, but wont change their mind that easily about government subsidies, regulations, welfare, free-market competition. As a result, they wont support sound money if they fully understand the issue.

We have to broaden our base. Reach out to Evangelicals in GOP and boost Libertarian party at the same time.

Am I the only one?

Granted I haven't finished watching the video, but it seems to me that all I'm hearing is sweet lemons from people who got out-competed. I can tell you that 80% of the people I know don't give two flying farts about the FED. What real gains have we made at the Federal level to restore our liberty? What bills have been successfully passed? Who have we put in positions of real power to restore the rule of law? A bunch more pro-liberty bills that never pass, and a bunch more upset, disenfranchised people is meaningless to those who hold real power to oppress them against their will.

You know who's making gains? People who want to destroy our economy, monitor our every move, and threaten us with drone strikes that we can't possibly defend against.

Screw legacies, screw I-told-you-so's, screw the historical record, I want my freedom and I want it now. I want my kids to have a good life, not to have some guy 2,000 years from now go, "that Ron Paul was right, maybe that's why America fell." Screw that.

Sorry about the rant, I'm just sick of this happy-with-not-losing-as-bad-as-we're-used-to attitude.