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How much time do you think we have left?

Paul supporters seemed to have fallen into two camps. I don't mean to add to that division, but think there is an important question that needs to be asked.

There are those who seem to think that we have plenty of time, and that we can work within the GOP to take it over, much like it was taken over by the Jerry Falwell types in the 80's.

There are also those who feel a greater sense of urgency, with all of the things happening in Greece, spreading through Europe, and seemingly headed this way. They see the executive orders recently written, and the troops being trained for civil unrest, and wonder if we'll even have until 2016 before we even recognize this country anymore.

I tend to fall in the latter camp, but was wondering where you thought things might be headed in the next month, or year. (or two)

One thing I am glad I have continued to do, was to prepare for an economic meltdown while I was supporting Dr. Paul. Most of my extra financial support went to the campaign (both official and grassroots) but now I feel like it is time to brace for impact and resume contingency plans.
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Lots of wise, researched, and thought out comments -

just what I expected from Paul supporters. As much as I would love to believe in the former, reason and logic tell me the latter.

If Obama Gets Re-elected

Then December we will see the downfall like we never have seen it before. If you think food has gone up then you will really see food go up. If you do not have a garden, you had better get your materials now and as a nation we need to pray.


Watch the Banksters and CEO's

They are cashing in on their stocks etc and buying gold like crazy and lots of them are quitting and leaving. First sign a ship is sinking is when the rats start to bail.


i quit worrying long ago

if you would have asked me the same question years ago i would have said we have months maybe years. now i say years but the truth is no one really knows. all you can do is prepare and try not to worry. i have several months of food and medicine, water filtration devices, off grid cooking utensils, guns, ammo and silver. once i got everything in order my stress level leveled off. now i just sit back and watch and enjoy life. the only thing i really need is solar panels. i have a small panel but i'm looking at the big ones like the "my solar backup".

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I think

They will start using all the laws they have passed after the election.
No reason to pass a law unless you expect it is to be used.

I think the economy will get so bad that it is only a question of time, before even the US gets riots.

Once you get riots or for that matter protests, your government likely will use that as an excuse to crack down hard.

Next election... well who knows, but if things are chaotic and fraudulent now, it´s nothing compared to 2016.

The big question is how many people are awake to resist all the stuff that is coming. They will use the economic implosion to make big changes. Will they be successful or will liberty spark anew?
Time will tell, my crystal ball is broken, but lets hope, liberty wins. I think it will, but only after some really bad stuff.

Btw, who knows what they might pull at the Olympics to speed things up.

I am guessing a few months

The economy collapsed after 2008 olympics and October is usually very active in the stock market. Pattern likely to repeat. Dow Theory shows that DJI and DJT are in primary and secondary trend bear market. The recent LIBOR scandal has the world over rethinking TBTF. Breaking up the banks will necessarily lead to economic disaster in the short term. Could be good for Ron Paul. Republicans might rethink Paul's positions on Federal Reserve and ditch Romney.

Get your food storage,

Get your food storage, silver, etc. folks.

I just hope I can escape before TSHTF.

I am preparing to move to Ecuador where I have about 25 acres. I can live very inexpensively there, especially if I raise much of my own food. It's taking an extra year beyond when I thought I could move, shooting now for September. A lot could happen in the interim though. The economy could collapse, the banks go on a lengthy holiday, the borders could be sealed, Ecuador could stop all immigration visas from the US. I'm anxious to go but I want to be fully prepared.

As for when it will all happen I suppose it's up to the elite string-pullers and whether they decide a collapse would be better before or after the November election.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Live each day as if it were your last.

Live each day as if it were your last. One day it will be.

“Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.” ― Mark Twain

"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world."

Latter camp for me, too.

Obomba's done some really bad things, bros... No other president, EVER, would have thought twice about allowing the drones and of course the NDAA... But these horrors pale in comparison to the fate of the USD.

I'm guessing late 2013, assuming Paul isn't president.

At that time we'll hit a patch of Hyperinflation that will make vast fortunes meaninglessly small... Million dollar bottles of water... And with the Eurozone in really bad shape too, the only civilized parts of the world will be in Asia.

Hence, I'll be living there in the SPRING of 2013 if Paul doesn't win. Count on it.


If either Romney or Obama wins the presidency.

I figure, barring divine providence, the FEMA camps will be activated by the end of April, 2013.

That Stanford guy got 110 years in prison...he's the guy to

whom Willard and Willard's son Tag have ties....wonder how much of that will come out as Mitt is tied to him..


If I had to guess, I would have to say 189 days

9 hours 16 minutes and 15 seconds.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

setting the clock


Colchester, New London County, Connecticut

The Collapse is our chance

to take over and win the people when they have no answer. we must do this before oppressive groups get the chance. We must be ready by the collapse to take over and destroy evil that will try to stop us.

The collapse in China

The collapse in China enabled Chairman Mao to take over.

The collapse of Weimar Republic was what enabled rise of Hitler.

In general, collapses enable the worst form of evil fascism to rise.

The situation is utterly urgent. To answer the premise of the thread again:


That's why, what Rand Paul has done & the bullshit charade justification Jack Hunter keeps giving about "infiltrating worthless GOP" pisses me off to no end.

Immoral funding of Military Industrial Complex by Federal Reserve and US taxation system must stop!!!! End illegal/unconstitutional wars! Preserve US currency!

My educated guess is early 2013

But there are too many variables for anyone other than central bankers and the global elite to know for sure. The system has GOT to liquidate all the debt but as long as people remain willfully ignorant about the trillions being electronically added to the bank accounts of the well connected and just added to the debt of "we the people", our children and the unborn...there is no reason for TPTB to stop "printing" money for themselves and buying up precious metals, real estate, and whatever else they choose. If we allow them to let the debt go to 50 trillion...why should they care?

HOPEFULLY there is a group of people close enough to the top that will have a crisis of conscience and join Ron Paul, Peter Schiff, Doug Casey, and many others that will expose the scam for what it is but I swear, I explain this shit to really smart people and they just refuse to beleive me. I have charts, docs, movies, etc. but like 9/11 they just don't think OUR government would do something so illegal and immoral.

My HOPE is the house of cards falls soon....before the election but if it does not, it most likely will happen around the first part of 2013. I expect an attempt at a global currency or a combination of an international currency that only oligarchs, multi-nationals, and governments can use...and they will re-value the US dollar, issuing new paper that will have the effect of stealing more than half of all the remaining wealth of average citizens.

The 2008 crisis moved me from upper middle class to now qualifing for food stamps. I HATE the welfare state but I feel by taking what I can will speed up the collapse. I wouldn't need them if there were not so many fees, taxes, regulations, and the fact that I am only able to find a job working 25 hours a week, barely over minimum wage. I have a bachelors degree and 16 years exp in network admin but the only places hiring for those positions are the local corporate welfare MIC contractors...and I refuse to work for them because I think they are all a bunch of crooks.

The sooner the better but I see no way we make it past 2013. And I have been one of the people that has kind of hoped Ron Paul would not get stuck with what is headed our way. The next president will reside over the greatest depression in history and probably one of the most difficult periods of social unrest that any of us alive have ever witnessed. I'm not depressed or scared. I think we live in exciting times. My hope is we get this shit all flushed out soon so my daughter will be able to live a happy, prosperous,and FREE life.

Guns, Gold, Silver, Whiskey, Cigarettes, diapers, and other durable goods will be the things to own when people start to barter.

I developed a grave distrust of government

during the Vietnam War years and never relinquished it, even when I was part of the government.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

The time has already ran out, long time ago...

Time has been running out for the last 100 years (short of a few months) when the Constitution was compromised in a major way.

First, The Nice unfolding:

I don't think that there will be a sudden collapse. The collapse will be a slow and long drawn depression and inflation accompanied by scarcity in convenience goods. For the last 2 years, the *actual* rise in food prices is between 20 and 30%. It will be getting worse, but not so fast. More and more people will be loosing their jobs. I believe that this is inevitable. So, learn skills that will be marketable in such conditions.

This period will test the fabric of Americans. Several families may live in the same house, with most members not having a job, few incomes, sharing the burden. The services businesses will suffer as people and other businesses will learn skills to perform these services and save the money. It is happening already.

And now, the Not-So-Nice unfolding:

The GOVT creates a trigger, much like 9-11 and takes total power. This will be a vulgar display of power. However, this will not be exactly "total power" take over because many of the local leaders implementing the "orders" already ARE Liberty minded patriots who believe in the Constitution, and some newcomers who listened to the Good Doctor and became the GOVT. These local leaders, some on the federal level, and a part of the military will make the difference and will advance the idea whose time has come that the future is liberty and not tyranny and big GOVT.

In either scenario, gold and silver will have a value close to ZERO, I believe, but not so sure. What will have a high value are family, relational friends, skills, in the order listed. Those were the lesson from the Great Depression and from the transition period in the 1990's in Eastern Europe.

Whichever of the two (of my) scenarios unfold, having food preparations, garden, and the means to protect them is a no-brainer. Don't catch yourself unprepared.

Time ran out a long time ago....

The FED purchasing Treasuries made this more than obvious. All speculative bubbles eventually pop and this whole economy operates with Ponzi scheme mechanics using fiat currency to fuel the machine. The collapse is coming, as the foundation (Constitution) has been compromised (about 100 years ago). When? I'm thinking the answer to that question will become more obvious after the election. They (the PTB) seem to be able to hold things together until after elections, it gives them the ability to distract people from the real problems by blaming the other guy. Even with Ron Paul as President this collape is bound to happen, only it would look different under a Paul Presidency, with Liberty being restored instead of Tyranny increasing. And although like you Jefferson, I have been doing what little I can to prepare. I do not think what I have done is enough as I believe that things will get much, much worse than most people can imagine.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

A 747 glider over the Pacific

Is how I see it. All but one engine has failed and a fuel leak has emptied the tanks, what little remains is currently being used in vain to increase altitude rather than setting up for ditching near a tiny island. The passengers don't know how serious the problem is, as long as the plane is level and it appears to remain high enough most think the single remaining engine will get them safely to the mainland.
The inexperienced captain and first officer think that if they keep the passengers happy somehow the plane will magically repair and refuel itself, as do the majority.
Meanwhile a retired well experienced pilot riding as a passenger tries to raise alarm. But the truth is too unimaginable to most and he gets ignored.
The fate of the aircraft was sealed when 4 hours prior a vote was taken as to who should be the captain. Four hours earlier an opportunity existed to land the plane safely on a runway when only small unusual vibrations from the engines were detected. The seasoned retired pilot knew the tell tell signs of the problem were a lot more serious than those in the cockpit were willing to admit.
Now only two options are left, keep flying as fast as possible towards the nearest runway that is well beyond the reach of the remaining fuel, or use the remaining fuel and altitude to turn back towards a small uninhibited island and ditch the aircraft as close to shore as possible.
The plane is going to crash in the water either way. Any comfortable or convienent way of getting back on the ground was lost four hours ago. Now one must choose to land in water near possible food, shelter, and eventual rescue, or crash in water beyond all hope of obtaining food, shelter, and rescue.
Problem is, the masses do not want to see the reality of this crisis and will vote to take their chances with the latter option.
We that beleive the retired pilot are preparing ourselves. Counting the number of rows to the nearest exit, formulating a plan, teaching those who we care about what to do, learning the best way to brace for impact, etc.

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God who delivered Noah, Moses, Gideon, David, Shadrak Meshak and Nebednego, Daniel and many others has not changed.
We MUST call upon Him, for He alone can give the victory.
To put our trust in our hand alone is unwise and doomed to failure.
Call upon Me saith the Lord and I will deliver you, because you have known My Name.

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The dollar's time is limited...

It will collapse just the same under Obama or under Romney.

Ron Paul is only one who can avert economic collapse.

All others will keep up the same policies that are leading us there.

I will never endorse or vote for anyone perpetuating this Keynesian monster.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

We will never make it to a 2016 election

if anyone but Ron Paul is elected president this November.

There is no time to waste. The financial crisis in Europe will spread like the plague! Soon it will be too late.

This is our last chance to right the ship.


If we are lucky we will just

If we are lucky we will just have a period of high inflation like we did in the 70s. I'm talking several years of 10-15% inflation not hyperinflation. If we are unlucky we will have hyperinflation and there will be massive violent protests which will cause the govt. to turn into a complete totalitarian state to try to regain control. At this point I dont think anybody in the world knows for sure how bad it will get.

Look up.

Luke 21:25 “And there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth nations will be in distress, anxious over the roaring of the sea and the surging waves. 21:26 People will be fainting from fear and from the expectation of what is coming on the world, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 21:27 Then they will see the Son of Man arriving in a cloud with power and great glory. 21:28 But when these things begin to happen, stand up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

I made a post recently dealing with the events happening to the campaign at that time (May 17). I added an update on June 10 after the further campaign events took place from which we are still suffering the effects: http://www.dailypaul.com/234344/the-final-victory-is-assured...

This election cycle I have followed Dr. Paul's campaign because I believe it to be a very specific reflection and foreshadowing of important events in the spiritual realm that have been taking place for the past thirty years and the full manifestation of which in the physical realm are expected to happen very soon.

It is because of these spiritual realities that I am convinced that Dr. Paul will win the Republican nomination and go on to win the Presidency. It is my belief that the manifestation I speak of will happen during Dr. Paul's term of office and that he will be instrumental in some of the significant events yet to take place.

There are many different kinds of people working on this Revolution. Some are religious, some are spiritually inclined, some are agnostic, others are atheists. They remind me a lot of the "sinners" that Jesus hung out with during His time on Earth who came in for a lot of nasty criticism from the high and mighty folk of their day and Jesus Himself was cruelly attacked with all kinds of calumny due to the envy of the leaders of the Jews of that time who saw Him as an existential threat.

All of us however have a desire for righteous government and liberty. The Kingdom of God which is at the door is righteousness, joy and peace in the Holy Spirit. The glory that is to be revealed at this time has never before been seen in human history. This is the culmination of the work of the Holy Spirit in building the Body of Christ which is the clouds referred to in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be suddenly caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

This is the manifestation of the sons of God spoken of by the apostle Paul in Romans 8:18 For I consider that our present sufferings cannot even be compared to the glory that will be revealed to us. 8:19 For the creation eagerly waits for the revelation of the sons of God.

The shaking in the powers in the heavens is the shaking of the authorities of this world system which began in earnest in 2007. This is the fall of the global banking and corporate cartel that is parasitically integrated with the political and religious institutions of our societies. There is nothing that can be done to stop this collapse so the message to anyone living in Babylon is to "come out of her my people". The Christians in the churches are waiting for the "rapture" to catch them away to heaven but this will not happen. A sign to them of their mistaken belief will be the complete and utter destruction of Jerusalem and the State of Israel in which many have placed their trust and devotion.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

With all my being I hope you're right and my focus has not chang

Nothing's changed. I will continue to believe in the message despite all the distractions. I will still continue to fight for Peace and Liberty for all. I will still prepare for whatever comes and learn the lessons.

The bankers

will forestall the inevitable crisis until after November election. Doesn't matter who the President is as long as it is not Ron Paul. Ron has said he would consider third party if there was an economic crisis, which would immediately put him in the driver's seat. The problem is that they are going to delay that...

I think Ron knows this too and has made plans to end his career by making a third party run. He's not going out with a whimper. I truly believe this. Everything that's happening, including Tom Woods' recent consolation, points to this. The question is:

With them delaying the inevitable meltdown, and the clueless American people asleep, will enough people wake up to listen to his message which is designed to kill the bankers' plans?

John F

In chinas hands.

China is at the outlet and can Pull the Plug as soon as they have The leverage. I think an invasio. Of Syria or war with Iran could anger china, but I think we will be lucky if we can mak it to the election.
Italys biggest bank closed June 4th allowing no withdrawls from accounts until July 1st. Closure came over the weekend, so nobody could prepare.
Greeks won't accept austerity, plain and simple:
Europe will fall and it will cause Much more worry around the US.
The dollar is based on our perception of it's wealth, and although it will strengthen up until euro collapse, we will see a shift to gold/silver first in Greece, and then followed by the rest of europe, and that's it for the dollar.
Historically crashes happen in the fall as it's always doom and gloom ie great depression.
Billionaires are buying silver and gold- especially George sores.

Personal opinions above- not resPonsible for when they steal all your money, bonds, banks, stocks- GONE
Precious metals soar to the moon

Yay Ron Paul!!!!
Freeeeeeedom calls!!