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Is it time to end my Daily Paul subscription?

Like many here, I was disappointed and dismayed when I first heard of, and saw, Rand Paul's endorsement of Romney. However, I am even more disappointed and dismayed by the reaction of many in the movement and on this site. Rand has given his reasons for doing what he did, and while it wasn't the choice that I would have made, I think he at least deserves the opportunity to let history play out so we can see whether or not he is right.

So now it comes down to it. I've been a paid contributor to The Daily Paul for a few months. However if this is going to turn into a full fledged Rand bashing site, I have no interest in continuing to support it. I dropped Talk Radio for bashing the Pauls and I'll do the same here if it continues.




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Most people here would prefer Rand to Romney or Obama

Or at least those who have not lost their heads.

Stick with us.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

No! Part of being a libertarian is having a good degree of

tolerance. If I had jumped ship every time I disagreed with someone here, I would have been gone a long time ago. I've actually been a reader for over five years (Didn't sign up for a few months).

Even though I disagree vehemently with Rand's decision, I'm not giving up on the liberty movement. It's much too important.

Be the change you want to see

Be the change you want to see in the world! Including on the Daily Paul.

The best thing about subscription is its Ignore capability

That's worth the cost right there!

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. - Thomas Jefferson

And
The hottest places in hell are reserved for those, who in the face of adversity, remain neutral. - Dante

Dissent may be patriotic but ...

Dissent may be patriotic but outright unrestrained viciousness that comes from a lot of people jumping to conclusions with very little fact, is not.

It's not patriotic. it's mob vitriol. And, it's uncalled for. You can be angry, you can even be suspicious, but to jump to judgment before you truly know the facts irresponsible and damaging. By all means demand answers to your concerns and investigate. But to not give Ron Paul the benefit of the doubt is unconscionable. Yes you are pointing your finger at Paul because you are saying that he is too incompetent to run his own campaign or pick trust worthy people or root out traitors should they be exposed.

So don't lie to yourself and pretend this is all in the name of being patriotic when it's a glorified lynch mob that is by proxy ignoring Ron Paul's credibility and history of fighting corruption.

You are calling the man gullible with your insinuations. And Adam K. and Alex Jones and countless others are pointing out "bad leadership of Ron Paul". Don't you dare say this isn't' hurting Paul

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You are hip deep in the morass of relativism.Get out of it, bro.

That is my recommendation to you. I hope that this member who is considering leaving will reconsider. All that I can say is that this is the Daily Paul. We are a bunch of dyed-in-the-wool followers of Ron Paul who are absolute, uncompromising, Constitutionalists. I'm just stating what I know to be true today. There are no grays, just black and white, the test is the Constitution. Formal changes should be made if there is now a new way to evaluate how concepts and ideas are tested. If things have changed, let me know. This is what I know to be true. This place provides a wealth of knowledge and ideas from our very intelligent members and anyone who has spent anytime here should see that.

Cost / Benefit

Well, if you did, Michael Nystrom would be "punished." Are you trying to get him to ban Rand-bashers? Frankly, I've been on this site for 4 years, 47 weeks, and there has never been a shortage of bullies and complainers. I don't think there are more now than in the past. Ignoring them works for me.

If you are concerned that there is no point to coming here, all I can say is that I visited daily from the last campaign to this one (even though we had no expectation that Dr. Paul would run again), and as far as I'm concerned, this is the best news site on the web even when the sheeple are not interested in presidential politics.

I suggest you wait a few days. The site tends to turn positive fairly quickly no matter how bad things seem.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

To all those shaken recently, take a break!

After years of discussing things on the Internet, I've found that many people don't take enough breaks. Thus, the negative things get them down and they become rather trollish (I've been there too).

Why do you think Happy Hour was invented? At work, people are constantly bombarded with discussions, arguments, gossip, etc. all of which start to seem block out everything else in your life. People ESCAPE to some bar so to get away from it...and from the endless talking at home.

Women used to wonder why men would come home grumpy and seek solitude in their den. But as women are now working, they too are starting to seek solitude.

And it especially gets bad when there is bad news. It instantly blocks out everything good. So everything seems hopeless.

The cure? Take a freaking break, go hiking, listen to some music or something. Just get away from the Internet and mainstream media for a few days. I call it an information fast.

You'll come back to judge things more objectively: that Rand's endorsement isn't the end of this revolution and so on.

Don't let the door hit you in

Don't let the door hit you in the backside. Frankly, few care if you leave and few would if I leave. The discussion will continue.

The reactions have been mixed. Some have frankly been very tepid and I have been shocked after the condeemnation of Frothy and others who railed against Mitt and then endorsed when we rightly questioned their principles. Others, like myself, have been shocked and condeemed it in the first few days and moved on. Others still hate it and really let it out there. People handle things differently.

I still condeem the endorsement, believe it is a betrayal of principle and is politics as usual. I still consider Rand an ally of liberty, but not an uncompromising one, like Dr. Paul or the Judge or others. He is a peg or two above DeMint.

Check back in January and see how things look.

Michael himself stated "This site will not become the Daily Rand". There are plenty of people on here who are happy to put Rand behind and start asking the big questions:

Where will the focus be for the liberty movement? Do we make exceptions for politicians and accept liberty as a "90%" compromise and allow us to have standing-room only in the War Party tent? Do we keep pushing to further curb federal power through advocacy groups like the 10th Amendment Center and educate people with resources like Tom Woods' Liberty classroom?

I myself was never drawn into this to see just how many "inroads" I could make with a corrupt party. I'm no troll either! I simply want this movement to stay decentralized and fiercely proactive at the state/local level, if we are to set brush fires in the minds of men it must be in our own communities, with our friends and family!

I pray that this can continue once the emotional issues of this election year come to an end in November.

“Facts don’t cease to exist because they are ignored.” – Aldous Huxley

You could

but that is the reaction 'they' are hoping to see.

I'd give it time

This has been a particularly grueling couple of weeks.

We are at the final lap of an election season which always creates very high emotions.

Michael is in China, which means that things get out of hand more easily (NOT that the mods don't do a great job, but they have no authority to simply call a halt to things)

We had quite a shock from Rand, and that is going to stir the pot anyway...

AND, last but not least we had a MULTITUDE of sharks smelling blood in the water who came on this site JUST for the purpose of stirring the hot pot even more.

Hopefully Michael will keep the Daily Paul going, and AFTER the election you will see what a marvelous resource and family this site really is. We had the most wonderful time between 2008 and 2011 when there was not a presidential race going on. ALL SORTS of information for liberty minded thinkers.

I know what you mean about the last few weeks. This is how I saw the site last week when the trolls were REALLY in high gear!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=_oDOtU_AtFg...

But over my 4 + years here I have learned just to step back and wait, and the trolls tend to go away.... the emotions calm down... and you find a wonderful family of like minded individuals who post information from all over the world.

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

It's interesting

The people saying to stick it out are site contributors... I think I have seen all I need to. I'm sticking around. I am with those who say we need to take over the GOP and the same principles would apply here as well.

Why are you asking us?

Just quit if you want. You don't need to make any announcements. Nobody will even notice.

Grow up! Do what you feel is

Grow up! Do what you feel is necessary. Don't ask us. Sorry but I am getting so sick of drama queens.

Wasn't attempting to be a drama queen

I was trying to gauge whether or not this was a site that I wanted to continue supporting with my hard earned funds.

You don't have to pay to play on DP

Follow on through to the convention, and if you want, re-up your subscription, do it, or not..

Free includes debt-free!

Aware of this

I started becoming a paid contributor a few months back when Michael Nystrom put out the call asking for funds.

cor2879

Think about what you're saying. You're thinking about leaving just because a bunch ancaps are on here getting loud and obnoxious. If we did that with the Republican Party, we would have already left the GOP. Just hang in there. If it helps, wait about a week before checking into the DP. All this will eventually blow over. Once Romney is crowned the nominee in August, all these Ancaps will themselves leave, because there won't be anything left to keep them here once Dr. Paul moves out of the picture. Once that happens, those of us that are with the strategy of taking over the Republican Party will get to work getting Liberty candidates elected to Congress and Senate.

" Once Romney is crowned the nominee in August ..."

Haven't lost the war, but we are already visualizing our defeat?

I'll take a dozen 'Ancaps' rather than a single defeatist.

I'm not being a defeatist.

I'm being a realist. 500-600 Ron Paul delegates aren't going to suddenly multiply into 1144 Ron Paul delegates.

We as a nation don't have time

to let history play out.

Perhaps

I would just point out that, historically, almost every generation believes that it will be the last. If we have as little time as you say, then really we are screwed no matter what we do.

True

But, the laws are in place and the dollar is in position.

Well,

If you take a look back at history, we're constantly falling into positions that threaten our stance as a national power.

Go back just less than 100 years ago when President Wilson was in office. He passed the Sedition Acts of 1918 which were equivalent to the NDAA act today. President Wilson was also operating the Palmer raids of 1919, the economy was falling into recession, and let's not forget the involvement with World War I overseas.

Times have been tough. We can persevere though; We just need to make those much needed changes.

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Isn't this the place..?

Isn't this an appropriate place where Paul supporters can vent and let a little steam out when they are disappointed?

I've been here daily for about five years and 80% of the time it is a bright spot with lots of positive enthusiasm.

People are so wound into this that it can be emotional when something bad happens.

I think it will be a little glum around here until either some good news comes out and/or the campaign ends like it did in 2008.

this was still a good place to come even in 2009 when the 2010 elections weren't started and nothing campaign-wise was going on.

And in 2010 we had the rare pleasure of Peter Schiff's campaign where he would chew us out on video every day to send him more money. Do you really want to miss stuff like that?? :-)

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Happy News

While doing some cleaning in my garage earlier today I grabbed a stack of old papers, As I looked through them to make sure I wasn't throwing something important away, I found one of the newer version of the Ron Paul Revolution bumper stickers.
Now, I just got to find a good place to put it, anyways it really made me feel good when I discovered I had an unused Ron Paul 2012 bumper sticker. It was truly "happy news" for me.
Come to think of it, I get a good feeling inside whenever I see a Ron Paul bumper sticker, even the ones on my own vehicle.
Dr. Paul, We love you man.

No one should go without

No one should go without making a first or final donation to DP for one reason, this has been the most incredible, awesome site. Thank you DP, and all subscribers and readers.

We will all eventually wrap a bow on this, but not today. Certainly not until after the convention where we hope to see Ron Paul be able to speak, and failing that not until the end of the congressional session.

Stick around friend. I

Stick around friend. I wasn't thrilled by the reaction either, but I think most of it was well intentioned. Don't leave the website unless it's because you're busy working on the movement.