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Ben Swann's EXCLUSIVE Interview w/ Rand Paul on Fed Audit, NDAA, Drones, Interventionism, RP2012


Published on Jun 14, 2012 by BenSwannRealityCheck

Ben Swann Reality Check talks one on one with Senator Rand Paul about his endorsement of Mitt Romney for President

Reality Check: One on One With Rand Paul On His Endorsement of Mitt Romney

Posted: Jun 14, 2012 6:31 PM Updated: Jun 14, 2012 6:31 PM
By Ben Swann

It was an endorsement that surprised many people.

Kentucky Senator Rand Paul endorsing Mitt Romney for President late last week.

That endorsement surprising many people, especially when you consider the strong stances Senator Paul has taken against the use of drones overseas and the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens.

These are of course, issues Governor Romney supports.

Ben talked with Senator Paul from Washington D.C. earlier today.


Ben is very wise; he posted the video on YouTube, before his own station WXIX FOX19 Cincinnati, OH's video went up.

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As long as he keeps up the

As long as he keeps up the excellent work in the Senate, he could endorse anyone up to Pol Pot before I would really care about it.

So are ya'll trying to say

So are ya'll trying to say that if Rand continues to vote exactly the same way he has been voting in congress then you still will not support him? If he pushes for an audit of the fed, to appeal the NDAA and Patriot Act, to bring our troops home, etc.? Basically, you won't support anything he supports because of the Romney endorsement? You know Ron Paul endorsed Newt Gingrich for Speaker of the House, did that change his principles at all? I hate compromisers just as much as everyone else, but even all of us in the Liberty Movement don't agree on everything! We should back principles, voting records etc. not just the name of a man. If we can not unite together, then all of this is for nothing and they win.


They want us to unite around

They want us to unite around Romney. That's why Rand "happily endorsed" him.

Such a move speaks volumes about Rand's true character.

I will be very wary of him from here on out. He's lost all trust I ever had for him with this one move, and I'm not donating one damn dime to support negotiations with neocon warlords.

Yep, I will never trust him.

I'll watch his votes and I will keep an eye on him. His "endorsement" splintered the Liberty Movement and drove independents away from the movement. Romney is repulsive and represents everything I despise in politics. Rand bowed down to him. Disgusting.

I understand your skepticism

I understand your skepticism toward Rand and agree. He said the endorsement was a strategy for the movement, which I can understand so I'll take his word for it, but it doesn't mean I won't be keeping a close eye on his future actions. However, we should have been doing that anyways. We can be inspired by Ron Paul but he is not our "leader." When you assign leadership titles to a "movement" like this, then you are only disappointed when the men behave like men. If the top falls away, then so do thousands at the bottom. But what I'm saying is "we" as the liberty movement have to be united. If we can't unite with each other, then we are no threat to the establishment. There are strength in numbers, not in a bunch of spread out fractions.

I don't think Rand looked like he "happily" endorsed Romney. He actually looked pretty depressed about it. If he were to be offered a VP spot with Romney, then no I would not support him. However, the next four years will decide if I'll support him in 2016 or not.


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It's hard to disagree with

anything that you're saying because it is true that the movement has no hope if they can not remain united. Nobody really knows for sure why Rand did what he did, but at this point I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, that even if misguided, he "believes" that what he is doing is the right thing to further the liberty cause in the long run. Personally I think it is very naive to think you can make a deal with the devil and come out on top, because he never keeps his word, but I am not yet convinced that he has any nefareous intent himself....although I will be watching him closely. In the meantime, it is very counterproductive to work against anyone that is doing something to truly further the cause, i.e. if Rand introduces a bill that is going to protect our civil liberties we all should support that effort because in the end it helps us. We don't want to start biting off our nose to spite our face....

Exactly! It's okay to be

Exactly! It's okay to be suspicious, but I get worried when I hear people saying, "I'll never support anything Rand does again!" Well what if he passes a law to repeal the NDAA or to Audit the Fed? I feel that many people who make these comments do so out of frustration and would actually support him in these things, or at least I hope they would.

I saw a great quote of Facebook. It says, "Ron Paul may be our inspiration, but we the people are the revolution." (Not really relevant to the other comment, but just thought I'd share! :) )


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Great Quote

...and very true! :)

Wishy Washy

This sounds to me like a real politician just met a really frustrated journalist. Ben tries to work within his confines and so does Rand. They should both step out and appreciate what is happening right here or there: The idea of liberty and its time has come. IMO. Maybe I'm all wrong :)

Peace and Warmth

I try to share warmth and love with all.

I honestly am becoming more

I honestly am becoming more and more impressed with Rand every single day. I truly believe that he'll go down in history as the greatest Senator of all time.

What's his name missed his opportunity to be an historic event.

Integrity to Principle, not compromise creates historic milestones.

President Ron Paul 2012!

War is not Conservative.


This makes me sad. Sad that people only see as far as their noses. Most people having not worked in a particular occupation have no idea what its like or how it works until they get there.

How things work is how things work. You can't make them work another way simply because you refuse to accept the way you don't like.

This is why most people can't work in politics. It is ugly and takes patience.

Thank God Franklin and other founding fathers dug in and found it within themselves to play politics else there would have never been a militia in the first place, much less a revolution, much less a victory and a Republic.

Down vote all you like. Hell go for the Benjamin and and get 100! All the down votes in the world won't change the truth.

Enemy of My emeny.

Is he your friend? That is the Question. There is not a whole lot of difference between Obama and Romney. Both of these roads lead to hell. I consider both an enemy to my way of thinking. Thats why this makes no sense. Influence my ass, these boys play for keeps. If you want anything, take it by force. They will find a way to lie and cheat out of any so called agreement. Look at how they fooled Reagan.

dave anderson

I still don't get it.

Why Rand, Why? Hearing this explanation reminds me of the debates when Santorum said you have to go along to get along in politics, while explaining his voting record. I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Show some of the backbone your father has and maybe you will EARN back the supporters you once had. All I can say is it will be a long road back!!!

dave anderson

Yes, Rand, like Santorum, believes in 'going along to get along'

Notice how critical and negative Rand is on Santorum, saying things like 'bring it on' if he doesn' want audit of the fed, etc.. Yet, Rand does not use this terminilogy or tone in his voice with Romney, in terms of his support of ndaa, against ron's ideas, etc...

Rand is also lying big time. Romney has come out publicy in mainstream media to say he is strongly against the audit of the fed - also saying that is not hte job of the president. I recall one interview in his 2008 bid.

And, Rand wants Romney to be a flip flopper by winning the gop nomination based on being pro-fed. now, he wants romney to flip flop and be for the audit.


Personality Types

Those of you familiar with Meyers/Briggs will understand, Ron Paul is probably an INTJ, certainly an NT (iNtuitive Thinker), while Rand is possibly an ST (Sensate Thinker).

Many, many, libertarians are NT'z (mathematicians, economists, physicists, programmers, and the like), and we're always looking for principles.

But Sensates make up the majority of the population (about 75%), and they keep everything operating. They're pragmatic, and think reality is not just a concept, that it's real (more Scully than Mulder). (iNtuitives think unintended consequences of government are obvious and predictable, while Sensates tend to become libertarians only when the government actually stomps on them--but they're still great allies.)

It would not surprise me if Rand takes after his Mom in that regard. This is total speculation on my part (I write screenplays), but the woman who came up with a cookbook (which was something real, practical, full of useful recipes, taste and smells, i.e., "sensate" things) is just as big an ally for the cause, keeping the candidates fed, and winning more votes, as the candidates are.

It is a waste of time to insist that Rand be a clone of the other parent. Where we can agree is on the goal of freedom; we're never going to agree on the best path to get there, not when our points of origin are all different.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Whether or not one is an...

Intuitive Thinker or a Sensate Thinker has nothing to do with Integrity or lack of Integrity. Integrity to Principle is both moral and practical.

I got a mailer from Rand Paul yesterday.

It went directly in the trash... Unopened. Screw that little weasel.

One day he will look back and find that his betrayal cost him his political career. Even the enemy doesn't like a traitor.

“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”― Henry David Thoreau

a WEASLE, right out of the gate

he obviously considers his "pledge to support the nominee" to be of far greater importance that his SWORN OATH to uphold/defend the USC
(which he undermined by endorsing a war-pig traitor).

No, he thinks that becoming

No, he thinks that becoming President and implementing a liberty agenda is more important than trying to please a few anarchist nuts.

What about all the Ron Paul

What about all the Ron Paul delegates who made it to Tampa? They are sworn to cast their fist votes to whomever won their state. Here, two delegates are sworn to cast their vote for Gingrich and one for Santorum because of the turn out of our primary (our other votes are open and can be cast for Ron Paul). Should they just stay home to avoid having to vote for "war-pig traitors"? I'll admit I was very disappointed at first too, but I think we should wait to see if his voting record in Congress remains the same.


Bound Delegates are Unbound.

Rule 38. You vote your conscience. If you vote for an anti-Liberty, Warmonger, there is the matter of your Soul to consider.

President Ron Paul 2012!

excellent read. I hope anyone

excellent read. I hope anyone having doubts about Rand will give this guy a glance because I think he is clearly onto something in this article.

Awesome article!

Awesome article!


It would be better for the Liberty Movement, if

what's his name's face were off the Daily Paul. Enough is enough. The Apologists have been check mated over and over again, and all they can do is call us names. We will always love whoever is in Ron Paul's family. But what's his name is no longer politically relevant to the Liberty Movement. Time to get back to Ron Paul, the upcoming contest in Tampa, and the R-evol-ution.

I thought Ben's questions

I thought Ben's questions were quite well put and relevant. I can't listen to Rand anymore with the use the word "we" as a constant. Who is the "we"? He talks as though he is representing the Ron Paul supporters. I also felt his answers were shallow with no real substance. Why did Rand feel he had to endorse anybody as a one term senator? The problem here is not that he endorsed Mitt Romney as is his free will to do so...but his declaration that Ron Paul was out of the running before the convention is as mitigated as I've ever seen. I truly hope the Daily Paul does not morph into the Daily Rand Paul as it sometimes appears to be doing.

The view that most Americans

The view that most Americans hold regarding NDAA is pretty scary. A lot of them have never even heard of it before. I asked one person what he thought of NDAA and he said "I don't know, I don't keep up with conspiracy theory stuff." A law that allows US citizens to be detained by the military and shipped to Guantanamo Bay, and it's a "conspiracy theory?" Now they want to conduct "military operations in cyberspace" (I can see it now: thousands of independent blogs being shut down by the military for alleged terrorist sympathies) and it also paves the way for war with Iran! I guess the transition to a dictatorship will be quite easy if people have attitudes like that. If you don't believe that martial law could happen here, just take a look at http://www.martiallawusa.com. All the proof is there.


Can anyone explain why:

Rand Paul was once willing to do long Q&A's on his opinion of Bilderberg with Luuk (former OWS protester) from WeAreChange.org but now completely blanked him out, and his colleague? These are citizen journalists. See before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9sctUOlOw8 and after: http://youtu.be/WtO5INu-VY4

How come Rand Paul is literally hiding in the Capitol Building when asked these questions?

Another reporter asks if John Kerry has violated the Logan Act by attending Bilderbeg and got a "No comment" from Rand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRKIrTKmLbo

Not to mention, Rand claimed that to remain a Republican in "good standing", he made a pledge to support the nominee (implication: or else). Good standing with who exactly?

Rand is quickly losing the support of Kentucky Republicans and as a native New Yorker, I honestly wouldn't care if he loses his seat if he does not answer these questions or address citizen journalists with the respect, interest, and fervor that he used to emphatically treat them with. It looks like the system took over Rand, and not the other way around. And I like Rand. He's the kind of guy you wouldn't mind having a beer with. To get him drunk. So he'd tell you what's really going on. Geez.

i don't blame Rand in this case.

it's a nightmare question to answer the right way and very easy to say something that will only inflame people further.

That's not to say I think WeAreChange are in the wrong either. They are heroes imo.