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Lawyers for Ron Paul make HUGE announcement! We are Uniting to Change the World with President Paul!

No joke!!!
The lawyers for Ron Paul have announced theybare taking over the Ron Paul campaign and they will challenge every single voter fraud claim this Whole election.
Romney rigged this election, & they claim they have proof.
the delegates will all be UNBOUND!
We are NOT letting this Tyrannical takeover Happen!!
This announcement happened at 10 pm Thursday.
The lawyers are offering support to EVERY DELEGATE TO ENSURE THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE THEIR CONSCIENCE! no matter what candidate they support, we will help them vote for their true choice.

This audio clip is the most important clip of this WHOLE Campaign.


If you quit on the movement, you owe Ron Paul an apology....
And get your ASS BACK IN GEAR!!!

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This is a great thing.

Nothing anyone can say will change the fact that we MUST challenge the paid staff of this campaign who have DESTROYED our momentum and led us to the very brink of siding with the enemy. Nothing can change the fact that this will be the first major lawsuit filed on behalf of delegates who have had horribly unfair and illegal acts done to them.

Is it the best and only effort that should be made on the legal front? NO. But thank goodness we at least have a starting point now! The campaign wouldn't help because they are A PART OF THE PROBLEM...a big part.


Good to know all these other groups are involved as well, so that should Gilbert have any ulterior motives (not proven, btw...) we can hold his feet to the fire!

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

Well now if you admit that the LAWYER is a Democrat....

Yes, LAWYER, not "lawyers" for Ron Paul, as you admit below is a democrat who brought this case to the SAME JUDGE that shot down Orly Taiz, also as you admit below, then perhaps this group is really LAWYERS FOR OBAMA, not LAWYER (singular) for Ron Paul.

quick question

is their any chip-in's for This case? im sorry Ron Paul won by a land slide this year and every Ron Paul supporter knows it! I really hope we can get on with the case before RNC as this lawsuit could be postponed till Next Year with our corrupt court system as it is. I would like to help in any way to speed things up with this case if yah know what i mean, we only got 2 more months.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

LibertyUSA PAC has the delegate thermometer up already

and is doing a delegate bomb, soon. The money is for the delegates' expenses to Tampa and state conventions and to pay their court costs.

I hope that is an actual PAC

registered with the FEC following all the rules because we do not want to give them any reason. Play by the rules you know. Whats left of them anyway.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

PAC is registered with FEC and has on-hand a paid FEC/PAC

attorney, who gives any needed guidance. The legal counsel has repeatedly made it clear that this pac, a Hybrid-PAC, is specifically geared to collect funds for delegates and can do so in an unlimited fashion.

I have already discussed this issue with him. This includes collecting funds for litigation and legal expenses.

Yeah you figured out you'd need this...

....to accept the funds from the money bomb you're planning after everyone said these lawyers are working for free.

So is the plan for the money bomb to tell people "HELP SEND DELEGATES TO TAMPA" when it reality it's to pay the lawyers plus liabilities the LAWYERS incur when they lose.

What about the plaintiff's potential liabilities? You still haven't addressed that.

You'll be taking money to "help send plaintiff's to Tampa" when you're paying lawyers and plaintiff's personal liabilities arising out of the case.

That sounds like an FEC complaint to me!

Guess you had not thought of that, huh? That's what happens when you implement BAD STRATEGY.

Get ready for it. It will come. That I can guarantee you. Then the PAC will also need to collect money to defend itself (and pay damages) arising out of the FEC complaint.

So much for "helping send delegates to Tampa."

Were you also planning to pay your own way to Tampa out of this money?

We'll find out!!!

I would like to join

But first I need legal counsel so I can know the following:
1. Can the Republican party ban people who are or have been part of a lawsuit against them?
2. Can plaintiffs be held responsible for the legal fees of the defendants if the case is lost?

Alot of the questions

That are being "avoided" are answered on the "tools for justice" website. From what I can tell, there have been honest attempts to answer FAQs. Not to mention a few conference calls (I did not personally attend) radio interviews, videos, etc. Just because no one posted on these threads and got into this petty back and forth arguing, insulting, and name calling, doesn't mean they are avoiding answering questions.
If you have questions, these threads are not going to be a reliable source. They have turned into nothing constructive, informative, or helpful in any way. Weather you agree or disagree with the lawsuit, coming on here and having a pissing contest, and making things personal is accomplishing NOTHING!
Why can't we have a civil conversation around here anymore? Why is everyone a plant or a troll? There have been a lot of posters here lately who are obviously just here to cause division, but to see folks here whom I KNOW have been here and have contributed fighting amongst each other and accusing each other of I'll intent is just so heartbreaking, you are playing right into the plan of those you accuse each other of being.

Reasonable questions regarding the case.

I've noticed that you've asked these same questions several times over the past three days.

Despite 75,000 spam posts from trolls supporting the case and criticizing any questions regarding the case, they never answer these reasonable questions.

All that effort squelching criticisms and questions regarding the case, but they can't answer your two simple questions.

I wonder why.

Good question Abandoned

Did you send an email to the attorney? Did you try to call the attorney? Have you consulted a attorney in your area. Most attorneys give a free consult.

Did you send an email to Chuck Baldwins son? He happens to be a constitutional attorney, he might respond if enough people ask.

I have many questions also. In particular, why are some asking questions and then provide answers based on ZERO Facts.

Makes you wonder, hu?

I suppose he should

since it's obvious that "Lawyers for Ron Paul" certainly don't plan on answering it.

One rumor we SHOULD at least look into....

I have a very trusted source telling me that Richard Gilbert is a liberal Democrat who is not in this suit to really help the delegates or Ron Paul, but simply to embarrass the Republicans and help Obama.

While I have no compunction against getting our delegates the help they deserve AND BLOWING THE LID OFF ELECTION FRAUD (because I think that is a much bigger issue than whether Wall St. candidate A or Wall St. candidate B gets elected) by any means possible/necessary, this emphasis on Gilbert's part (if true) would reduce my confidence that we will get anything important done here. Not that we shouldn't still do it...

Judge David O. Carter is also a Democrat (or so I've been told) and is the same judge who gave all of us hope he would rule in favor of Atty. Orly Taitz in the big "birther" case a year ago, before succumbing to TPTB and selling us out on that front. We need to get Orly into this case to counter balance any "Democrat" emphasis...

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

I've already established that he's not a Ron Paul supporter

Also, that he's a Democrat, (search my comments, it was some time ago)
(although now, he's announced the “takeover of the Ron Paul campaign” lol…)

Judge David O. Carter is also the judge who DISMISSED attorney Richard Gilbert's last Federal Lawsuit, that cost the tax-payers several million dollars in wasted DoJ attorney fees.
Wake-up pal, you were busy the other day replying to threads with “67”, “-16!!!”, and other wastes of screen space while some of us were busy trying to convey REAL INFORMATION, while you, and the walking “Don't Do Steroids” commercial a/k/a/ HonorGod, were frolicking about the forum like giggling school girls.

would exposing corruption in

would exposing corruption in the GOP do far more damage than allowing the party to exist?

but Steve

Don't Democrats vote too? Isn't this really about the primaries and the caucus's. You can bet there were Gingrich and Santorum votes that were also stolen as well.


The suit is designed to help ALL delegates. However, Gilbert's motivations may not be as pure as we had hoped...

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

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I must need new glasses

It's not possible that I just read what I think you wrote - actually questioning even a single aspect of this lawsuit.

I'm off to the doctor now. While I'm there maybe I can get something for this whiplash.

Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father


how he still got voted down for it huu?

You see, that is why I question the motives of some around here. arbitrary voting down without reading.

I have to vote up his comment because he points out a fact? Amazing.


So, this isn't the perfect case and you don't all love the lawyers now?

Not two days ago you were calling us communist baby killers just for asking questions about it and not trusting you that Richard Gilbert was Jesus Christ reincarnate.

So, in other words, you really don't have any clue what you are talking about.

What a waste of the 75,000 spam messages you and the 3 other people under 18 sock puppet user accounts posted here over the weekend. It must have taken a lot of effort!

Again, for everyone elses benefit, here is the ACTUAL CASE (don't trust what other people say about it, READ IT YOURSELF:)

And here is a critical review of the ACTUAL CASE

Five Posers

If you look down below at "sharkhearted"/Chris' comments - there are at least five of them on here. They seem to be adept at not answering direct questions.

I can't envision a rational Ron Paul supporter enjoying a good round of hedging, stonewalling, side-stepping by an individual (shark/Chris) after someone has asked legitimate questions.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. ~Thomas Jefferson

“It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie...the greatest enemy of the State.” ~Joseph Goebbels

You must not have read...

What I have written! I NEVER said it was the perfect case, or that the lawyers were perfect people. We don't live in a perfect world.

It appears from here that your goal is to tear down this effort by any means possible, and to keep the campaign firmly in the hands of the betrayers. Our goal is to get a critical mass of people understanding THE MASSIVE VOTE FRAUD, VIOLENCE, AND OTHER ILLEGAL DISENFRANCHISEMENT EFFORTS that have been perpetrated against us and our delegates, and also to understand the full level of the corruption of Romney and his goons.

I don't care HOW MANY SUCH EFFORTS ARE MADE, or in WHAT DEGREE OF QUALITY those attempts are made. They MUST be made, because the alternative is that we stay in the PLANNED DESTRUCTION mode of this campaign set for us by Olson and Benton.

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

Oh I read.

I read the ACTUAL CASE.

And, just like you are now beginning to learn, this effort can only hurt the plaintiffs involved and any chance Ron Paul has.

You don't seem like the kind of guy who will apologize to those you've hurt later on when you find out you were wrong, though. So, I'll bet you'll go silent and dark for awhile when what I'm trying to warn about comes to pass.

A lot of people will have been hurt - as a result of believing your propaganda/.

By the way STEVE - nice try at calling me an apologist for Benton after I wrote this.

Blows your mind huh. Seems like you might be wrong about a great MANY things!



I just clocked in at Darpa. 8)

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If I had posted this instead of you...

"I have a very trusted source telling me that Richard Gilbert is a liberal Democrat who is not in this suit to really help the delegates or Ron Paul, but simply to embarrass the Republicans and help Obama"

a swarm of rabid sock-puppets throwing rocks and grenades would have descended on me like locusts. But it's OK if YOU say it so that you can immediately turn around and still throw rocks and grenades

(such as, "It appears from here that your goal is to tear down this effort by any means possible, and to keep the campaign firmly in the hands of the betrayers")

at other people who have also raised legitimate questions to ensure that our delegates and the Liberty Movement are safe, for example, from "liberal Democrat[s] who [are] not in this suit to really help the delegates or Ron Paul."


Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father

And to say nothing of the fact

that none of the official campaign members have ever been shown to be doing anything other than what Ron Paul instructed them to do.

ALL of this demonizing of the campaign personnel is fabricated out of thin air, by people wishing to destroy Ron Paul's campaign for their own purposes.
There has NEVER been one shred of evidence produced to support that the personnel acted outside of Ron Paul's directions.
Every word of the accusations is innuendo.

Well, it you want us to believe that Ron Paul...

..has betrayed us all, we will (NOT!) Just tell us what to believe, BigT.

That is the only alternative to his campaign being staffed with bozos who do not share our concerns for liberty.

Of course, we'd have to come up with a scenario for Ron Paul's 30 years of saying the opposite, only to turn against liberty the past six weeks....

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

The facts are as they are, Steve.

YOU'RE the one who's "telling us what to believe", Steve.
You have no evidence.

Exciting! easy to read! Filed on 6/11!


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These guys are the real deal.

I am mystified by all the negativity on here.

We need every route to push back tyranny and toolsforjustice is a great addition.

We all do really need to become legal activists. In so doing, we use the laws to our advantage and dismantle the concentrations of government, corporatists, and bureaucratic power legal battle by legal battle at a time.

THere are not enough courtrooms, lawyers, and judges on the planet to handle the caseload, however.

But this one powerful way as to how the battle is won, using the Rule of Law, to bring about change.

Norfolk, VA

Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.