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Lawyers for Ron Paul make HUGE announcement! We are Uniting to Change the World with President Paul!

No joke!!!
The lawyers for Ron Paul have announced theybare taking over the Ron Paul campaign and they will challenge every single voter fraud claim this Whole election.
Romney rigged this election, & they claim they have proof.
Ron Paul WILL BE ON THE NOMINATION!!!
the delegates will all be UNBOUND!
We are NOT letting this Tyrannical takeover Happen!!
This announcement happened at 10 pm Thursday.
The lawyers are offering support to EVERY DELEGATE TO ENSURE THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE THEIR CONSCIENCE! no matter what candidate they support, we will help them vote for their true choice.

This audio clip is the most important clip of this WHOLE Campaign.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?380736-MAJOR-ANN...

If you quit on the movement, you owe Ron Paul an apology....
And get your ASS BACK IN GEAR!!!




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I suggest you DYODD about "toolsforjustice"

From their homepage:

"Is the IRS misapplying federal employment taxes against your pay with a tax lien or levy?

Is your pay for work somehow connected to the federal government?
If not, then is the IRS requiring you to declare your pay as federally taxable income?

If so, then the IRS may be misapplying federal employment taxes against you in violation of IRC Section 7214(a), a felony crime.

Through criminal prosecution of the IRS, you can beat the illegal taxation of your pay, including IRS tax lien, levy or withholding activity being conducted under color of law.

Tools for Justice will show you how to stop IRS tax lien, levy or withholding, by filing a criminal complaint against the IRS to stop the illegal taking of your pay, and to obtain a judgment ordering the return of your pay for the last six years."

What does that sound like to you? Does it sound like a reputable organization?

...also, the website has zero contact information, and it's hosted anonymously. Gee, I wonder why, when they're selling information to "beat the IRS".... : /

But if you're interested in this kind of thing, well then I know this Nigerian prince who could use your assistance. ; )

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Chris Seems To "Speak" With Forked Tongue -

NowOrNever - I've read your posts - and this Chris (aka: sharkhearted, apt, I'm sure) person's post (who, by the way, isn't reading anymore of your posts!).

You have asked legitimate, direct questions, made valid inquiries - and have been met with hearsay, stonewalling, no facts (like names, firm, phone numbers, something that can be validated) from Chris.

Remember what Ron Paul said, "Truth is treason in an empire of lies." Chris, from Norfolk, Va, should cite his sources - a person of honor would thoroughly answer legitimate questions.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. ~Thomas Jefferson

“It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie...the greatest enemy of the State.” ~Joseph Goebbels

sharkhearted's picture

There is a free membership...and a paid membership

Once you sign up, both the owners are available via phone or email. I have both their cell phones saved into my phone.

They are really nice people.

Already participated in a multiple conference call last week with them, and with election fraud victims from the Arizona convention, from the Alaska Convention, from the Massachussets convention, and others on the conference call, including the oft-reporting youtube Ron Paul enthusiast, Mat Larsen.

They are legit.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Also...

I recommend you read this thread:

www.dailypaul.com/240556/breaking-the-lawsuit-is-designed-to...

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

sharkhearted's picture

Been there done that.

Read it. Vacuous thread. There is a reason why it has 22 downvotes.

Look...I am done with your negativity and your whining.

Have a nice day.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I can assure you

it has MUCH more that 22 down-votes.

Are you implying

that the counter is broken, or that Jon is trying to fix the outcome?

Or is it just that you have pulled so much wool over people's eyes that you think you can tell them that the number 22 isn't really the number 22, and have them believe you?

Critical thought is not "negativity" or "whining"

...anyway, how exactly is it "vacuous" to point out that lawyers who are supposedly going to fight the establishment and win us the Presidential nomination can barely spell or write coherently?

That should set off alarm bells in any reasonable person.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

If they are legit...

...why are they hawking B.S. tax evasion scams on their website?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

sharkhearted's picture

Where is your proof that it is a "B.S. tax evasion scam?"

All I can say myself, and many other election fraud victims across the country in this Ron Paul race, had an extremely productive conference call, and we did not discuss anything related to "BS tax evasion scams" or whatever.

We talked about election fraud...and are doing something about it.

If you are a Ron Paul supporter, you should be thankful that somebody is trying to do something about all of the mistreatment we received.

Given that you apparently like to argue and naysay, I will end this conversation with, if you think they are a scam, then why don't you contact them yourself and ask them?

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Firstly...

...contact them how? As I said, there is zero contact information on the website, just a form you can fill out. Guess what? I can set-up a website with a contact form and pretend to be President Eisenhower returned from the grave...no way to verify anything.

And as I said, the website is hosted anonymously, meaning, we have no idea who the actual owners of this organization are. For all we know, it's run out of Langley, or Romney campaign headquarters.

Just because someone claims to be such and such anonymously on the internet doesn't make it so, which is the same reason why I have to take this with a grain of salt, no offense:

"All I can say myself, and many other election fraud victims across the country in this Ron Paul race, had an extremely productive conference call, and we did not discuss anything related to "BS tax evasion scams" or whatever."

For all I know, you work for them as a paid poster. There certainly are a number of people who appear to be shilling for this organizations running around the DP.

As for the "B.S. tax evasuon scam," just read what I copied and pasted from their own website. Visit www.toolsforjustice.com and you tell me what it looks like to you. Any rational person would call that a tax evasion scam. Or, what, you think they really found a way to prevent the IRS from taxing income? LOL...does your head still hurt from falling off the turnip truck?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

sharkhearted's picture

Paid poster??

That's as far as I got, and I burst out laughing.

Time of the month, eh?

Go make yourself a stiff drink....relax...and think happy thoughts.

But we are done talking. No more of your posts directed to me, will be read.

Have a good one.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I didn't accuse you of anything...

...I made a point about the nature of anonymous internet posts.

You don't see me asking anyone to take my word for anything, do you? I deal in verifiable facts and reasoning, not unverifiable claims about private conference calls et al.

But anyway, if you are promoting this organization, there are two possibilities: 1) collaborator, 2) sucker.

I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the latter.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I for one, am not going to claim

to understand 1% of the tax "CODE", yet you claim to understand that what is posted on that website is a scam.

Many people are in jail for multiple reasons and mis-applied law. Does someone that is a private contractor, and enters into a agreement to take payment in gold or silver, have to pay taxes?

What a bunch of horse$hit...

..."lawyers for Ron Paul," how about you stop preying on the frustrations and naivete of some Ron Paul supporters? Take your snake-oil sales elsewhere...

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

LIBERTY2ME's picture

Unbinding, binding - neither

Unbinding, binding - neither matters if Ron Paul is not on the ballot in Tampa, correct?

I am all for people fighting

I am all for people fighting for Ron Paul. I am NOT for people exaggerating and distorting things.

As far as I can see it is ONE lawyer. A lawyer who was arrested in 1993. Not that that makes a difference, but you have to be cautious when the website does NOT list the names of the attorneys, or law firms etc. The youtube video is voiced by an auto voice.

Their website states:

"We are an army of legal activists working together to restore the American Dream. We are, as the U.S. Constitution says, “We the People” doing what “the People” properly do—governing ourselves."

No names whatsoever. When I read "lawyers, paralegals etc. I knew once they put in paralegals, that made up 99% of them.

I smell something fishy here.

One attorney filed suit against over 100 groups, people and organizations? Do you know how expensive that is to serve all those people?

The bond alone he has to put up for the injunction pursuant to Rule 65 is HUGE. Could be millions.

I think I concur with the OP. This is set up to lose or scare defendants, but I dont think they will be scared.

Second, the whole hype that they are "taking over the campaign" is just nonsense. What they MEAN is they are taken the lawsuit in to their own hands without help from the campaign. They are not actually running the Ron Paul campaign.

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

It also means...

...that they are doing it without the permission of the campaign, and definitely against the wishes of the campaign, which has stated over and over again that rules would be observed, bound delegates are bound, and legal challenges would not be pursued, and for obvious reasons: i.e. 1) we have no case, and 2) it is self-defeating PR-wise.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Yes you do have a right to your opinion, so do others.

"that they are doing it without the permission of the campaign"
Yes, this is true. But the case represents disenfranchised delegates and not the campaign. Show me a document that says "Acting on behalf of the RON PAUL Campaign".

"and definitely against the wishes of the campaign". Please retract that comment until you are part of the campaign or Ron Paul "definitely" says so.

"which has stated over and over again that rules would be observed". Yes Rules of the GOP. There is a difference between rules and law, my young Padwan. Seeing that there is NO CASE LAW, one must ASSume. In so doing, one might make a A-- of U or Me.

"bound delegates are bound" Ok, you are going against what some have said aroung here, which is OK. Some are saying it has been "WELL ESTABLISHED" that "DELEGATES ARE NOT BOUND". Now, which is it? If you are correct, then we have a violation of the Federal Election Laws. If "They" are correct, who is going to force the Chairman of their state delegation to count their vote according to their conscience?

"and for obvious reasons: i.e. 1) we have no case," Ok, we are all entitled to our opinion. If this is true, please submit a brief in opposition to the brief that theses lawyers have submitted. Because in their opinion, they believe there is a case. See how this works?

"2) it is self-defeating PR-wise". This made me smile. Are you telling me that the campaign PR has been positive ? Are you telling me that 30 yrs of being called a freeking kook is positive?

In short, this is not a campaign thing. This is not a organizations thing. These are individuals that have decided to associate with a lawsuit, Class-action I believe, because they personally have been disenfranchised. Must pay this, to be this… Must vote this way or you’re not going… The Chair determines the Ayes have it (when clearly they did not… Oops, Broken hand, sorry that’s politics… Awe, we are sorry, the truck used to deliver the votes (that everyone else called in) got lost and never arrived. Woops, look at that darn county over there in Maine, sorry don’t know what happened to your votes either. And on…. And on…. And on… AND----------------ON!

Why are they hiding all these

Why are they hiding all these so-called lawyers? I would like to know who they are and why only one filed the suit..

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Me too

.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Look people...

Is this an open and shut case...? Of course not...not in the enemy's court system. We know they can corrupt and dismiss any legitimate case brought before them in their corrupted system.

Are these the best lawyers in the country? Probably not. They may even be below average, I don't know, and frankly don't much care.

What is the alternative? Sit back and do nothing? Go along with Rand and work for Romney? Kow tow to Benton, Olson and company without question??

Think about it!

We must attack evil on ALL POSSIBLE FRONTS and in ALL POSSIBLE VENUES and by ALL POSSIBLE MEANS.

Anybody standing in the way of that obvious necessity is part of the problem.

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

I agree brother Steve!

I agree with every word you just stated!
Thank You!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Thanks, holbrook.

The bottom line here with this little band of naysayers (who have been STRONGLY down voted by the grassroots everywhere they've posted except one minor thread that only they visit..which had like 12 upvotes last I knew) is that the EFFECT of their efforts, would they have been successful, would have been for us to remain under the thumb of those who have taken the wind out of this campaign.

So...we choose.

Do nothing, and stay a depressed movement under the control of people like Benton and Olson WHO ARE GETTING RICH while destroying the restoration movement.

Or, we TRY.

...and we let them know we aren't going to take it anymore!

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

Just the other day

I almost cut my hair
.

I was sent this audio link

where the Lawyer Richard C. Gilbert speaks. He is with Lawyers for Ron Paul
Come to your own conclusions by listening. Whatever the truth is it will come out eventually. http://wtpnetwork.com/audio/listen/music_25/

This was in the news June 15 about California
More Delegates Want to Join Repub Revolt By REBEKAH KEARN

SANTA ANA, Calif. (CN) - In a revolt against Romney, at least 40 more national convention delegates asked to join 123 previous plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the Republican National Committee, and their attorney said hundreds more may soon follow suit.
The first 123 delegates, all from the 9th Circuit, sued the RNC, its Chairman Rince Priebus, and every state party chairman in the 9th Circuit in Federal Court on Monday, demanding the right to vote for the candidate of their choice on every ballot at the Republican National Convention, including the first.
The delegates claim the party violated federal law by forcing them to sign loyalty affidavits, under threat of perjury, to vote for Mitt Romney, though he is not yet the official nominee.
They also claimed that state party chairmen are fixing elections at state conventions and changing ballots so that all votes cast count for Romney.
Read more here: http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/15/47495.htm

Are the whiners STILL here whining?

My goodness but they are stubborn losers.

No matter, truth will out in the end, no matter what the secret Romneybots here say.

Romney is going down...if it isn't this, it'll be the ponzi scheme, or the election law violations in WI, or the former employees he knifed going public about how crooked he is...

Even if he didn't have all these nitro glycerin bottles strapped to his back as he runs the gauntlet, he is so intensely BORING and UNPRINCIPLED that he could never beat Obama anyway.

Why are some people so intent on destroying the Republican Party rather than letting the REAL republicans have it back?

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

Don't listen to these people...

...READ the case for YOURSELF.

Every time we post the link to the ACTUAL FILED CASE the people in support of the lawyers who filed it spam the thread until the links are on page two.

Reason?

Well, read the actual case for yourself!

http://arizona.lastchanceforliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2...

The link above is to the ACTUAL FILED CASE on the proponents and plaintiff's OWN website.

Another thread about it here:
http://www.dailypaul.com/240556/breaking-the-lawsuit-is-desi...

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edit...

Here come the downvotes for posting the link to the ACTUAL COURT CASE. Makes you wonder why and what they want to hide.

I Am Kinda' Dumb

I skimmed it, as you have requested. Upon a cursory look, I do not see anything obviously wrong. But I do not have time to look up all of the citations and references.

You have been posting this all over the place - "read it" - as if there is something obviously wrong.

Maybe there is something simple.

But what about people like me, who are dumb, who cannot find anything wrong with a simple reading?

So, why not list the problems that you allege?

Gene Louis
http://www.survivaloftheslickest.com/
Supporting a Needed Tool for Government Feedback:
A Citizen-Operated Legal System.

I listed a couple in this thread post

http://www.dailypaul.com/240556/breaking-the-lawsuit-is-desi...

I'm glad you read it. That's the most important thing.