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Rand is Debra Medina all over again

So, I love how Alex Jones and Glenn Beck team up to stifle the liberty movement. Debra Medina was such a case. Beck and Jones both teamed up on her to destroy her. That was the 2010 deception.

Come 2012, Rand has always said he would endorse the 2012 nominee. That was a part of the deal to get the Senate seat. So what Rand is on a tight leech by the GOP. This was done on purpose. Anyway in comes Alex Jones viciously attacking the Pauls with known socialist Tarpley who then uses the platform to hammer down Austrian Economics as 'Bilderburg Economics'. Ridiculous yeah... Kokesh also uses this time to settle some outstanding feuds he has. Okay more gunpowder and bullets for the libertarian circular firing squad. I love it personally. Let us all destroy ourselves... but I am digressing.

So Beck being savvy has Rand on to denounce the haters on the internet. Yeah, this is a R(love)ution, but there are many here who peddle in hate. So, Beck who bills himself as the Alex Jones without the 9/11 truth comes in to shield Rand. This is only natural folks as Beck is trying to score points with Rand fans/'tea party' while destroying the conspiracy obsessed core support Rand enjoys (for now).

So, the haters get even more hateful. The denounce him, ext. Rand never said he would censor the net, but that is apparently the logical conclusion from Rand's denunciation even though Rand single handedly defeated SOPA/PIPA. What a farce. I personally would separate myself from that haters here on the DP, but I guess I am the irrational one for suggesting that.

The conclusion is this: Beck and Jones are teaming up to destroy our support for Rand. I do not like Beck, and I am starting to not like Jones.

Keep an open mind on this for this is your only warning. If Rand goes down, hundreds of days of work and millions of dollars would be for not. Take care.

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protecting Alex Jones reputation in the liberty movement

It seems many of you want to stick up for Alex Jones,
by laying almost all of that disaster on Beck
Hey, I had listened to AJ on and off for long time.
Not much anymore.
It seems like Alex has another personality that
comes out at times, and it's VICIOUS.
It happens when someone else is taking too much of the spotlight
I think you'll find this worth the time to listen to
It's by Jack Blood, a liberty minded patriot who
had been a close friend of AJ's and also was very
active in Debra's campaign.


Like most type A personalities

Alex is his OWN worst enemy and will eat himself.
The writers he employs are ready for his implosion and have been since 2006.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Rand and Medina set themselves up

Beck tries to squash any good person such as Medina. She had a choice of how to answer the question. I think she chose poorly. She then goes on another show a few days later to "clarify" her answer and says it's "despicable" to be a truther. SHE alienated a lot of her support. Not Beck or AJ. AJ just called her out on it.

Same with Rand. He chose to go on Hannity. He knew what most of his supporters would think about his endorsement. He even said "that as soon as my father sends out a letter saying we don't have enough delegates, that's when I'll make my announcement to support Romney".
I think at least half of the people here were upset about it. AJ just called him out on it. A lot of us were feeling the same way as AJ. That's why I started posting here to see if there was another side to the coin that AJ wasn't talking about.

Both are talking heads

and have nothing to gain by the success of true fiscal reformers, true constitutional conservatives like Ran Paul. Then what will the go on and preach about?


Rand did it to himself. He

Rand did it to himself. He is the one who endorsed Mitt Romney. If Alex or Glen endorse Romney then they would have done it to themselves as well. Let's get that straight.

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Your title is misleading

Might want to consider editing it...

RP R3VOLution

Can you give me a suggestion

I am pretty sure right now Rand is being Medinaed... ie, getting sandwiched between Jones and Beck trying to destroy support for Rand. Medina was the beta phase for the operation. This is phase 2: the perfected version.

Jones might not be in on it. This might be Beck trolling us and Jones. Beck is smart enough, and Jones is hot blooded enough to fall for it.

But please give me the alt title so I can change it to something more truthful. I am always receptive to critique.

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I was with Debra Medina that evening and you are right.

This is a coordinated attack but even larger.



I had a gut feeling, and I knew Beck would rear his ugly head at some point to stir the pot. I hate being right. Also, thanks for the confirmation Appeal.

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Change the headline...

... Rand couldn't stand in Debra's shadow. Debra would probably never even contemplate going on Hanity's show, let alone commit an act of betrayal. Debra Medina is more than words can describe. Oh, Debra we love you! Please be our next Governor and then take over the White House.

Plano TX

Second That

Governor Medina

What do you mean Debra would not have gone on Hannity's show

She went on Glenn Beck's show.

She was weary but not afraid.

Like Ron Paul, Debra was cautious but never afraid to be herself with these fed reserve paid pundits.

No only wrong but not important

Debra Medina never sold out, she was stabbed in the back. Debra never changed a bit about what she stood for as Governer. She was blind sided. Rand is no Debra Medina. Judas sold out his own father used his father's supporter to beg donations, sold out his country.

Debra waffeled about 911, only because scummy sleezy IzUnReal firster Glen the traitor Bec tricked her.

Not even close in my book.


Rand is Debra Medina all over again all right.

I donated commercials for Debra Medina and watched her poll numbers go from about 6% to almost 20%. Then that POS Glenn Beck ambushed Debra Medina over "guilt by association" with "911 Truthers". I told Debra personally, "The best answer is to attack back" defending people's freedom to believe what they want, maybe even reminding Beck of attacks on Mormons. However, a couple of days later, Debra went on with another POS, who got Debra to agree "911 truthers are despicable". I pulled down all my Debra Medina ads. Well, Debra's sellout of truthers gained her nothing. She polled 18%, 2% below her highest number BEFORE she sold out the truthers.

Rand Paul apologists should take note.


so we're almost on same wavelength on everything.

+ on 9/11 Truth
+ on Medina
+ on AJ
~ ish on Kokesh
+ on Rand

+++ on Ronald Ernest Paul!

you sure you're not my twin?? .D

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

She did not sell out...

... to the truthers. That scumbag Beck let her into an ambush.

Plano TX

Of course, he did. Beck did the same thing to Ron Paul...

in December, 2007. Ron Paul pretty much repudiated the 911 Truth Movement, but Alex Jones did NOT abandon Ron Paul. In fact, Alex Jones defended Debra Medina until she agreed with the POS host that 911 truthers were "despicable".

I have nothing but contempt for ANYONE, including Ron Paul supporters, who denounce "truthers" and "birthers". They certainly have more evidence than you who claim to believe in God and Jesus being our savior and more character than those of you who break the Golden Rule by slandering them.

Jones regrets being played by Beck about Medina

And maybe Beck is playing Jones again. Remember folks, Jones is not the smartest tool in the shed. He is to hot blooded at times.

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According to Alex Jones Debra did sell out the truth movement.

And yet I know Debra and can tell you that she DID NOT sell out the truth movement. She only said it was not a STATE ISSUE. That was all she was trying to say and yet her words were twisted and taken completely out of context by Alex Jones to make an attack against his truther audience when that was never Debra's intention to even talk about it.

Debra stumbled on her own words, Rand did not

When Debra Medina was hijacked on Beck's show, Alex didn't take her defense of free speech as an endorsement of 9/11 truth, but an honest and candid reply that the 9/11 Commissioners, themselves, had declared their serious qualms with the report they published.

It was on Mark Davis's local talk show, (not when he was guest hosting for Rush), that Davis gamed her into denouncing the free speech rights of anyone who would question the official story. It was an artful ruse on Davis's part, and a huge disappointment at Medina's weakness by her giving into it. Though the recording of the show was taken down, my transcript of it was posted here: http://www.dailypaul.com/127401/medina-davis-transcript-matc...

Everyone remembers Beck's nationwide radio show that attempted to obscure Medina's message with his line of 9/11 questions that she handled well enough at the time; but when she allowed Mark Davis to intimidate her into stepping on the free speech rights of others who had done nothing wrong, by buying into his derision of their character for simply doubting the official story; she lost not only Jones, but a lot of folks who cared to pay attention. It wasn't Beck, but Davis who effectively brought Medina down. Jones simply and dramatically displayed his deep disappointment when she unapologetically took that new position then.

Rand, on the other hand, had made a campaign promise at the behest of his constituents, that he would support whoever the GOP nominee would be for his seat that he eventually won AND whoever the party's presidential nominee would be. As unpopular as that is among us, it is to Rand's credit that he kept that promise.

What Jones is upset with by Rand's announcement was that he felt blindsided by it when he expected that both Paul's would have been more candid with him before and after this endorsement. Alex and his listeners have been somewhat forced to speculate when answers weren't as forthcoming as he felt that his long-time open dialog with both of them deserved.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

This debate is no longer relevant!

Romney and his cohorts are being charged with organized criminal acts. LISTEN!


Weak Analogy

Beck tried to destroy Debra Medina. Beck uses Rand Paul for his own purposes, which is even worse.
But we are talking about issues, not talk shows. Rand showed his true colors by kissing up to Fox News, Hannity, and Beck. He is no longer an "independent thinker." He has flip flopped on so much and shares little with his father's libertarian approach. Rand Paul embraces Mitt Rommney's cowboy foreign policy, wants drone strikes around the world, arming other nations, nation building, etc. Rand also wants government intervention into marriage and further criminalization of drugs. Remember when Rand was running for Senate, he said he would be impartial and support the most conservative for senate minority leader. He said he would support Demint. Rand changed on that too. He is another McConnel boy and just like any other big government, neocon, phony conservative republican.

Recall him then!

I am going to write this up. If you all are so mad at Rand, have a recall Rand moneybomb and see how far that goes.

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Romney accused by laywers of criminal acts and federal crimes

The endorsement is old news. Lawyers have taken over the Ron Paul campaign. Endorsements are no longer needed. End of corrupt system.


I deal with philosophy

not legal mumbo jumbo. Don't hijack my thread and call it crap when I am trying to have good conversations with people about the reaction to Rand's endorsement. It will go away in a couple of weeks, but for right now, I have to steer people into realizing a couple of things:

1) The state is corrupt. Ron is the exception because he was like John the Baptist, but Rand is playing the game. There is nothing wrong in endorsing as it does not violate the NAP. I could not care about it. People are, however, charged with emotion over this and with good reason. I was disheartened to hear it too. I hope Rand goes far. I will still support him anyways as he is really the only best thing even in the Senate (which is full of globalists).

2) The real solution if you want to be pure is to drop out of the system. Lew Rockwell has the right answer. Consult him. Don't worry about the clowns in courts, congress of the presidency. I just laugh at them.

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Rand is a big boy

He can be held accountable for his actions. If you don't care what AJ says, then DON'T CARE! So what if AJ has turned a cause into a business? Are the "Brand Paul" crowd doing the same by viciously attacking the grassroots?


When did I attack Jones' money making operation. He has goods that people want. He is entitled to the fruits of his own labor. I agree with you. I still listen to him. He had Lew Rockwell on. I sent him an email calling them out on having Tarpley trash Austrian Economics as he 'denounced' Rand. *eyeroll* Lew was on, and Jones gave him a chance to take a swipe at Tarpley. He did not take the bait. Shows you who is the better man. My heart is with Lew Rockwell.

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I'm trying to picture a "tight leech"

in all the ramification of both words, and what it means to be "on" one. I guess I'm easily entertained.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Extremely tired

I work nights. I thought about this on the half hour drive home. I am glad my bad English entertained.

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Something seems

to be afoot. I saw the Beck interview and internally said the same thing.(Medina) So, what was the purpose of using Hannity to endorse Romney and not a press release? Why has the pay Benton is taking not being addressed?
Came back from a meeting and regardless of the psyops going on people are coming in strong and progressing the cause of liberty.
Whatever may seem to be afoot is only an illusion as the ground up is still on the move!