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Police put on notice in Indiana: illegally raid the wrong home, private citizens can shoot back

(NaturalNews) Most of us are supportive of our local police departments but because of a lousy state Supreme Court decision in Indiana last year, residents of the state now have the right to shoot at officers in defense of their property if they believe they are being improperly raided.

Not surprisingly, most police officers are upset about the law, which was signed by Gov. Mitch Daniels in March, because they believe now it will be "open season" on law enforcement officers.

But supporters say the law will encourage nothing of the kind. They say its sole purpose is to allow homeowners the same rights they've always had - to defend their property with deadly force, if necessary, even if that means defending it against "public servants" who illegally enter homes and automobiles.

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sharkhearted's picture

Indiana makes a stand against illegal searches and seizures...

...and the right to bear arms.

Excellent!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

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NO.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

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Not surprisingly, most police officers are upset about the law, which was signed by Gov. Mitch Daniels in March, because they believe now it will be "open season" on law enforcement officers.

Sorry to inconvenience your convenient incompetence! I guess police just need to do a better job of getting their facts straight before they scar people for life, or worse!!

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We need this in California. I

We need this in California. I seen police over abuse there power. Hand-cuff and no resistant being beat up and judges look the other way.....bring a civil action against the officer that a !@#$ joke.

One should shoot someone parading in

Halloween costumes and masks on your porch brandishing weapons in the middle of July. Surely up to no good.

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So what happens if a private

So what happens if a private citizen believes he is being improperly raided by police who are properly raiding him and happens to kill a police officer?

In this scenario, I would err on the side of police, because they are at least trained to deal with tactical situations, exercise restraint, and take someone down with non-lethal means.

The police officer uses his gun in the hopes that he can arrest a suspect without having to shoot him. A suspect who would pull a gun on a cop obviously doesn't give a damn about the law and is probably trying to kill him.

Remember, an arrest in and of itself doesn't mean anything. It's the conviction in a court of law that has meaning. The only thing an officer can do is take you before a judge, and there's no reason to start a gunfight over someone who wants to take you before a judge, especially if it's a mistake.

A little off

Police officer are trained to shoot to kill when they pull a gun. That is a fact. So if a cop pulls a gun at my house I have the full expectation they intend to kill me or someone in my house. Any other expectation by either party would be stupid. Therefore, I see this new law as a warning to not go around busting in houses unannounced. Now police have to act like police and get facts correct and do a better job. Clearly, it is easier to arrest someone after they leave the house, like going to work. Doesn't take much to make things easier on everyone, unless they like the dynamic entry rush just for kicks!

Well then

If there is no reason to start a gunfight - why raid a home in full military getup gestapo style. Why not just knock on the door and arrest the person in a civilized, liberty minded manner? Why do you need a tactical situation - you said it - they are not judge and jury - just peace keepers(or so they used to be).

I guess my point is - if you are justifying a raid you should already have determined the "suspect" to be such a danger that you HAVE to use such force. Well - then you should already have MORE than enough information to justify such a raid - including the correct house number. And to justify a raid clearly this should not be someone who has no idea a raid is coming.

And by the way - being arrested is about the most horrific thing you will ever get the pleasure of experiencing.

Most people are arrested,

Most people are arrested, uneventfully, by constables who show up at the door.

I've experienced war. You don't know jack shit when it comes to horrible experiences.

Not sure where you live

but I am not even sure what the hell a constable is. Let me walk you through this.
Let's just say you get arrested on a Friday night here in CT. And let's just say you can't make bail(again - no guilt here, just arrested - for ANY infraction by the way) - guess what - some State Police barracks cannot hold everyone(no females in most) so since you cant make bail guess what - you are shipped off to the closest prison. For females that means a FULL induction - cavity search etc to Niantic prison to spend the weekend with hardened criminals. Now maybe that is uneventful to you - but not to most. This can happen for a damn motor vehicle infraction if the cop wants to be an ass.

Please do not make assumptions as to what others here have and have not experienced. My guess is you are one of those that go around with your veteran plates on - yet probably had some effin admin job - or worse - was stationed on some friggin ship with zero chance of getting hurt(well unless you hit your head - those ceiling are pretty low). If I am wrong feel free to correct me with some facts of your dutiful service.

If you must know, I lost my

If you must know, I lost my arm in a firefight with Taliban.

I don't have veteran plates. I'd like to forget those days.

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IMO, we've always had that right.

But, like many other rights, it has been trampled by gov't.

I predict that this will result in the escalation of police violence.
I expect that their reaction will be that when they have a "dynamic entry", they will just immediately shoot and kill all living things in the house, as a "preventive measure".

The real need is not necessarily to shoot police in defense.
the real need is to just lay-off large numbers of the police agencies so they aren't there to be oppressors to begin with. And de-fang the rest of them.
Let's face it, they never stop criminals. We still have tons of criminals victimizing us every day. But then we add the criminal victimization of the police coming down on us too, for the "double-whammy". Crooks and cops BOTH kicking our asses for fun and profit.

Three strikes

If three separate filings are made against a cop's indemnity bond he or she can never work in law enforcement again. Should the bond not cover damages the former cop is now personally liable and can lose their home, car, and the bulk of any future paychecks. The folks in Aurora, CO are engaged in this process now as there were no bank robbers found during the mass arrests done under color of law.

And then "the scrotes" would

And then "the scrotes" would make such claims against any non-corrupt police to get them out of the way. It may be appropriate to hold police to a higher standard due to the greater damage if they misbehave. But conviction-by-accusation is not appropriate (even WITH the difficulty of getting a judgment against a cop.)

Make it "successful claims" and it's another matter.

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

Good to hear! bring the

Good to hear! bring the peoples rights back

this was supposed to be a

this was supposed to be a reply, disregard

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According to the Constitution, this is law everywhere.

The sad thing is, we have to have states pass a law such as this so district attorneys don't make criminals out of innocent citizens just defending their property.

This law should be passed all over America!

This is good

It'll put a stop to the freaks who want to do arrests without warrants (NDAA) and if someone in DHS and the local police or military comes to get you, shoot their head off. In most states you can shoot them in your yard, drag the body indoors and you are cleared. Intruders will be put on notice.
That law is a keeper.

Keepin' it real.

Advice I've heard is to NOT

Advice I've heard is to NOT drag them in.

Leave them where they lie and you can still defend your actions as self-defense with reasonable chance of success. Move them afterward to make the scene appear more favorable to you and you'll leave evidence that you tampered with the scene. Then the police, prosecutor, judge, and jury will be unlikely to be sympathetic to your argument.

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

Quoting Andrew Napolitano (circa 2007):

When the People fear the government, that's Tyranny. When the government fears the People... That's Liberty!

rdw

The Judge was quoting Thomas

The Judge was quoting Thomas Jefferson.

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

This is a good thing

Maybe the cops will slow down a bit and make sure they've got the right house. Now they know that if they violate the rights of citizens there will be consequences.

Enonesoch

What I feel is going on.

All they are doing is trying to turn the united states into a warzone and passing laws where people call shoot at the governments tyrannical forces... Martial Law here we come... remember we are dealing with geniuses that have this already figured out... first they create a false end of the world in 2012 so no one can even think about the future past there meanwhile they fuck up our country...

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Maybe the police officers

Maybe the police officers will start looking at the difference between right and wrong, start doing the right thing and stop being hired guns for a corrupt group of elite...!!!

This law needs to be past in all the states...!!!

Agreed

What most people don't realize is that police officers are appointed by us to do OUR jobs of policing one another. The reason why we have police officers is to have informed individuals trained to handle situations because we do not all have the time to do it ourselves.

They serve us, not rule us.

Even playing field

It has been open season on citizens for a long time. Turn about is fair play and it is time for deterrents to be put in place.

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