-30 votes

... The "lawsuit" Is Designed To Lose The Case

Has anyone actually READ the lawsuit?

Besides the spelling errors it is a cacophonous litany of every objection to the RNC and the Tampa convention we've seen on DP (some legitimate) strung together in an incoherent fashion that can only be described as an argument DESIGNED TO LOSE THE CASE.

This is unbelievable. It's so obvious to anyone with one operating brain cell. If anyone has any sense they'd withdraw and close this case IMMEDIATELY.

Example: Many of the plaintiffs were STATE delegates to their state conventions and are NOT national delegates, but the opening states:
"Plaintiffs come to Federal Court to seek the guidance of the Court regarding the Federal Question as to whether Plaintiffs are free to vote their conscience on the first and all ballots at the Federal Election known as the Republican National Convention."

Well isn't that interesting when the named plaintiffs are not parties to this statement.

Another Example: The named defendants are the chairmen of the state parties under the jurisdiction of the court, yet pages 15, 16 and 17 are all about the RNC Tampa convention.

There are so many holes in this suit, it's DOA.




According to an attorney (who posted a reply below)... if plaintiffs lose this case THEY WILL BE LIABLE FOR DEFENDANTS' COURT COSTS (at best) AND LEGAL FEES (in the worst case).

Were the plaintiffs apprised of this fact?


This post has now had over 300 votes up and down which have now evened out at about zero. It amazes me that people who claim to be for the truth downvote something that asks people to READ THE CASE FOR THEMSELVES and provides a direct link to the actual filed case on the website of the PROPONENTS AND PLAINTIFFS of the case.

That alone says to me something fishy is going on here.

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In case anybody's

still watching, the "Lawyer Mutinying Against Ron Paul"(LMARP) group's "public relations" guy is out there on one of the threads that is not pushed into Off Topic, doing the best he can to destroy public relations.
If that level of unprofessionalism and lack of smarts is anything indicative of the "lawyer" that they dug up, then it's going to be one sad result.

He attempts to cast aspersion on Doug Wead, and Doug Wead could "out PR" this guy so bad that it wouldn't even be a fair contest.
The whole "mutiny" is amateurish at best, and has all the trappings of a scam.

I already

gave my opinion below (I advise caution--this does NOT read like a legal document to me--hope I'm wrong, though)....but I'd be appreciative if someone answered this question:

When I use my browser and type in (or copy/paste) toolsforjustice.com -OR - electionfraudremedy.com---------why does it take me to the same page??
I was under the impression that these were two separate entities...

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Now Steve Martin himself comes out with concerns about the case


After all his nonsense and spam posts from him and the 3 other users under 18 sock puppet accounts posted over the weekend, the truth finally starts to come out!

Now, now.

We must remember that the only important thing in this matter is the number of upvotes or downvotes that can be collected on a thread, to determine the validity of it's premises.


All you trollers' threads are being....

...smartly downvoted, I see.

The grassroots supporters of liberty are on the march, pitchforks held high.

Look out Benton, Olson, and your apologists here!

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

GoodSamaritan's picture

Earth to SteveMartin, come in...

I'm sure all of us agree that it's very smart to downvote and bury any discussion of the lawsuit. It would be foolish to question anything said by Mr. Gilbert or his associates. Seriously, when is it ever smart to question those who have injected themselves into positions of authority, especially when their actions - for good or bad - can directly influence the Liberty Movement for years to come? Ridiculous! I mean, why discuss the merits of this case when it's a slam-dunk? Absolutely nothing can go wrong!

I would challenge you on a couple of points, however. Please show us where I have indicated this lawsuit should not go forward. Also, please show us where I have at any time ever defended Benton, Olson, or any of the other characters with direct influence on the official campaign.

Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father


Not sure I've had ANY discussion with you.

However, as I have said many times, it ISN'T about whether this is the perfect suit, or the best lawyers, blah, blah, blah, blah...

It's about FINALLY DOING SOMETHING about all this massive fraud that Benton/Olson et al., do not believe in...just as they don't believe in any other "conspiracies." These boobs think Julius Caesar stabbed himself!...and they make fun of the vast majority of Paul/Constitutional Restoration supporters who KNOW there is indeed a "vast conspiracy" to destroy this Republic.

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

The link does not work to the

The link does not work to the actual case..

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Thanks for having the courage to post this

This particular case is bad political strategy, at best. If this backfires, there might be some much stiffer penalties for those seeking to vote their conscience in Tampa.

There is much

..dis-info being circulated by a "supposedley" active military who,having been once banned from DP enlists a number of others to Spam and bury any meaninful discussion regarding this.

The truth frightens them..his "troll-buddies" do his dirty work so he won't be banned again.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!


If they had the ability to vote thier conscience presently on the first round I would agree.

GoodSamaritan's picture

They already do

And that has been general knowledge around here for several months.

Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father

Good night

my little PLANTS. I hope to be able to water you in the morning...


You Won't Find Me

I'll be putting flowers on graves...
One of the recipients was a quiet,reserved US Army Air Corps vet who would not think much of your bold,ridiculous commentary.

He was a true hero, and he didn't "pose" all-heroic as you.

If you truly are active then I pity this military for having to bear the burden of your ilk.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Again, The Only Thing That Can Be Lost In This Suit Is

The Rule Of Law for sure if nothing is filed... Also, I would like to note that the volume of testimony filings have seemed to increase since this thread started, LOL Evidently most are smelling what's really bad in this deal and are filing even more!!! WOW I guess keep a bumpin... Ha Ha Ha


A Reminder About Filing Election Fraud Testimony

Although the site toolsforjustice.com / electionfraudremedy.com asks that you include personal information in your personal testimony, what you mention is ultimately your choice. By signing up and creating your profile, you are already giving the Lawyers For Ron Paul group and the administrators of the forum site enough info to be able to contact you for verification information about your testimony when needed. If you wish to be more accessible with other members on the forum, then posting your personal info would better facilitate this type of interaction.

And lastly, if anyone has any questions about whether Dr. Paul approves of us filing suit, you can hear it from him in his own words by watching this video interview posted here on dailypaul 3/17/12... http://www.dailypaul.com/221362/ron-paul-wants-us-to-pursue-...

-LibertyG ... 2 Corinthians 2:16-17 "To some we are a scent of death leading to death, but to others, a scent of life leading to life. And who is competent for this? For we are not like the many who make a trade(for profit) but as those with sincerity...

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More disinfo

An attorney has already explained the potential costs to plaintiffs if this suit is lost.

There is also the possibility of delegate disqualification due to conflict of interest.

And, there are numerous other important but unresolved questions being asked of attorneys here http://www.dailypaul.com/240736/lets-ask-the-lawyers-for-ron...

But, hey! Nothing can go wrong, right? Nothing to see here. Move along.

Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father

People Who Are Scared To Fight For The Rule Of Law

Need not apply to be part of this patriotic movement and should just stay home, turn on the tube and drink their soda and just try to set this whole nightmare aside, at least until all the sh*t really starts to hit the fan and they have no more food because everyone has pretty much cleaned out the grocery stores, and the best currency starts to become beans, bullets & booze. I really hope things don't come to that, so I'll give you a quote...

“And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom” - Anaïs Nin "I sometimes think that my life has proceeded by way of a series of breakdowns and reconstructions. Such episodes haven’t exactly been frequent in my life, but they have represented important turning points."

Here we have a turning point where we must stand up for our principles as patriots. If we don't, staying where we are and letting the criminals get away with their atrocities will only serve to become more painful as we move along in this war. It is my strong feeling and evidently many others who support the "lawsuit" that we are at the point where the RNC needs to be forced to acknowledge and admit that they have been violating not only the law and people's civil rights, but their own RNC rules all along throughout this whole process.

Delegates scared to file? Oh well, but there still are many who have the courage to somehow stand up for everyone. I admire every single one of these people who have decided to take a stand. It reminds me of the Declaration Of Independence Signing by the delegates then standing up for the people's rights against the king, "The handwritten copy of the Declaration of Independence that was signed by Congress is dated July 4, 1776. The signatures of fifty-six delegates are affixed" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_In...

Have we let this country slip so much that we now again need to fight the "king" again? Look, I realize you people feel the obligation to warn the delegates, but your argument doesn't really hold when it comes to the true patriotic American culture to stand against the bullsh*t. However, keep on if you will, but I don't think your post here will discourage those who really feel compelled to make a difference in the fight for our freedom.

-LibertyG ... 2 Corinthians 2:16-17 "To some we are a scent of death leading to death, but to others, a scent of life leading to life. And who is competent for this? For we are not like the many who make a trade(for profit) but as those with sincerity...

I Agree

More Dis-Info..Romney-bots leading the usurpation of the movement.
The sheeple...YES SHEEPLE, blindly follow, mesmerized by an "INFOMERCIAL".

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Come on Jon a sympathy +100 votes please

help this string out buddy.

I will up vote it

watch -16 to -14 that is fun

back and forth,,, back and forth


on this string until it is STRIPPED, REMOVED, TRASHED, WASTED and/or FLUSHED into the dust bin of the ETERNAL freekin SPACE TIME CONTINUIM.

and I will ensure that everyone reads the post if these TROLLS the best I can.

So, I interact on this string or I don't. If it is here I do, if it is not, I cannot.


GoodSamaritan's picture

Yes, please do...

It's very important that any relevant questions or comments about this lawsuit be buried as quickly as possible.

In fact, let's not try to get opinions from other attorneys as to the merits of this case or the potential downside for delegates and the Liberty Movement in general.


Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father

It's a Shame

When this movement is being co-opted by a bunch of "paid-by-the-hour trolls who desparately want to stifle any and all real discussion of the true intentions of their parent group.

They are Rahm Emmanuel's favorites..not wasting a crisis to seize power.

They concoct a "wanted" list in a cheap attempt to intimidate those with any logical thought ,view, or opinion.

Can't believe the ugliness of these "operatives", and that's exactly what they are.

Take heed people!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!


Why don't you people take a few days off and let us just turn this country around unmolested by your type!

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."


The massive spamming from those supporting the laywers

Submitted by FBI_Exposer Ω™ on Sat, 06/16/2012 - 21:56. Permalink

Is a psyop being run by a member of the military in Texas.

I have information including IPs now directly from this person.

I sure hope they were not doing it while "on the job." There would be big implications to that.



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Vote down!


and it has

Submitted by HonorGod on Sun, 06/17/2012 - 00:39. Permalink

4 upvotes.... HAHHAHHAHAAAAA holy freekin crap! Are you kidding me? YOU CANNOT BE FREEKIN SERIOUS!!!!!!

hahahahaaa this is so freeking hilarious. 4 upvotes?

NO WONDER this whole post has -20 votes... You guys MUST be trying to reach -50 or something...

hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... My frekin stomach hurts

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Violation of TOS

Repeatedly pasting the same content is spam and a violation of the TOS.

Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father

Repeatedly is twice?

Hey MODERATOR... How about a SYMPATHY 100 up VOTES. At this pace it will be back to ZERO by 6am.


I have not had this much fun since '08 when I knocked a bunch of other trolls off of the DP.

WOW!!!! IS IT YOU GUYS? holy crap.I just put it together!

GoodSamaritan's picture


Are you really too stupid to understand that?

Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father


...GoodSamaritan and HonorGod. You two have Christian user names...stop fighting & calling each other names. You make Christians look bad! In love to you both!