Rand proposed end the TSA bill: still think he betrayed us?
Submitted by Ben-Jamin Tomlinson on Sat, 06/16/2012 - 01:00in
To me an endorsement this late in the season doesn't mean anything about a politicians principles, that is shown in their voting records. How many of Romney's endorsers actually wanted to endorse him? They just did it to support the Republican establishment, Rand just had a higher meaning.
So do you think endorsing a candidate means you are betraying your principles why or why not?
And now that Rand is continuing the liberty movement in the senate, do you still feel betrayed.
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It's just so painful to see the son campaign against
his own father. No sir, he did not "betray us". I'm afraid he betrayed himself. Does Romney take teleprompters with him along his whistle stops through the country? Who ever writes what he reads.. the same person writes those carefully scripted lines for Obama. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38
He's not campaigning against his father.
In case you didn't notice, Rand waited to endorse Romney until Romney had the delegate totals to clinch, and also after Ron stopped actively campaigning. So no, he's not campaigning against his father, and if you didn't notice, Rand endorsed his father prior to the primary season.
Rand is no Judas. He's still the most liberty minded guy in the Senate and is working hard on a lot of our core issues. What is painful is watching people like you drive a divide in the liberty movement by getting caught up in this endorsement non-sense.
"waited to endorse Romney until Romney had the delegate totals"
Do you mean like the votes Romney thought he had all wrapped-up in Iowa? All I'm saying is that a lot of things can change prior to the August convention in Tampa. A lot. What was the big rush to endorse all about?
Yes.
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"A living Constitution is a dead one" -Ron Paul
No Your wrong
He just wants to privatize it.
Congratulations "Ben-Jamin Tomlinson"
According to "infowarrior1776" you are the proud owner of a "wrong"!
Haters gonna hate.
Rand made it clear RP was his first choice. However, now that Mittens has the delegates to clinch the nomination, Rand is making good of his campaign promise to support the Republican nominee.
Rand is doing a lot of good work for the liberty movement in the Senate. More than what's been achieved in along time.
However, there's still that faction out there that wants him to be the same purist as Ron. Rand takes a different angle, and his heart is still in the right place. The hatred and name-calling sent his way is downright despicable and reflects poorly on the RP grassroots. Get it together people.
Translation: "Don't worry,
Translation: "Don't worry, he's only 25% unpure!"
The bill is full of loopholes
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This Question Is Not Answerable
As the contents of S3302 AND S3303 have not been released by the Government Printing Office as of yet, it is impossible to make a value judgment based on the actual bill contents as to whether Rand Paul is a Judas. A press release by Rand's office that makes generalizations without referencing the text looks like the usual posturing carried out by politicians, and nothing more as of YET.
Without any further substance, the answer to the question is still YES, he has betrayed the liberty movement and THE ENTIRE NATION OF STATES in his propagandistic and factually incorrect statements about Romney being the nominee.
Nice try, though. The average person wouldn't see the misleading nonsubstantive question that you have posed. You have jumped the gun awaiting the knee-jerk responses.
I AM
MONTGOMERY SCOTT
Unanswerable also with regard to time.
Was this just an obligatory endorsement, meaning nothing except to fulfill some promise? I hope so. Future statements and most importantly, his future votes will be crucial in determining Rand's post-endorsement direction.
He's not proposing to end the
He's not proposing to end the TSA.
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/06/rand-pauls-usel...
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war = health of the state
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He didn't betray us
He put Romney and the RNC above his Dad. He did to his Dad what his Dad would not have done to him.
All his plans will be eaten alive, not by us, by those who he is trying to please.
His Dad knows, you appease bullies doesn't make them go away, they just team up to cream you.
He made a huge mistake by not supporting his Dad on Hannity... not to us, but by those he's trying to appease. He could have said to Hannity, "My Dad is in the race, and while we don't agree on everything, I'm not going to hurt him by endorcing the RNC selection." People respect that.
Ron would have never done to Rand what Rand did to his Father.
STAND WITH RAND 2016
YES
JUDAS endorsed the criminal vile biz as usual Rummy.
STILL THINK HE DIDNT BETRAY HIS OWN FATHER?
sovereign
Just a reminder
Appearance, appearances.. of appearances.. and, appears to be the case, appears to be the case of mistaken loyalties..
A common phrase is, "appearances can be deceptive".
Lindsay Williams, being silent for a while now. Lindsay Williams may "appear" to be one of them while he's gathering info with these so-called elites in the Alaskan oil industry. Lindsay also has another mission not related directly to the info-gathering one, he is a Pastor, remember?
Is this the case of Rand Paul, "appearing" to be one of them all the while carrying on another mission?
Not to be religious, but spiritual understanding may help a person. If that is not yer bag so-to-speak, all can understand the common phrase of, "appearances can be deceptive".
Are words being spoken of things not being understood? Some take Rand's actions at face value, even taken at face value, is the face being read correctly?
Speaking of things you know not?
Better yet possibly
"Things which are seen are not that which they appear." Verses the "appearances are deceptive", saying.
Rand said he "happily
Rand said he "happily endorses" a fascist statist war monger who created obama care and wants more "bailout stimulus."
IF he is so liberty minded, how could he do such a thing? Answer: He is playing some kind of game of compromise with dirty scumbags. He is in now danger of becoming one and is GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION.
If you don't think he's changed, just watch the recent video of him ignoring questions about Bilderberg. Good grief what a jerk he was/is.
It comes down to the fact that he is unnecessarily working with the NEW MINORITY in the GOP. These people of the neocon minority deserve to lose high wide and handsome. We don't need to make deals with them. We are the majority. They are evil, their deeds are evil, and their thoughts are evil. Do not work with evil lest you become it!
This is what blows me away. It is like once we start to actually gain the majority (where it takes teamups of Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum to beat us), then Rand goes and starts working with the old boy minority. It doesn't matter what they think. It is our party now and in 2016.
Sounds like a traitorous act to me to the Revolution.
I didn't hear him say..
"fascist statist war monger"
you: jump off the handle sort-of person? jump to conclusions sort-of person? always right sort-of person?
If you don't think that
If you don't think that phrase describes Romney, you've got a lot of research to do!
Me: Telling it like it is buddy. Get over it.
Not saying.. one way
Not saying one way or the other if any of what I said was true, only that its a real possibility.
Jump to conclusions much?
No way, I came to that
No way, I came to that conclusion about Romney starting in 2008, during the debates when I heard the "whisper," and when the "whisper" was edited out of Romney's youtube video submission, he dropped out the next day. That was my initial clue, but it got much worse with all his connections to Goldman Sachs, the Fed, the NDAA, Obamacare, bailouts, and the war support drums. In fact, anything Ron Paul would be against, you could bet that Romney was for. This impression, of course, has continued in 2012 through the entire vetting process Ron Paul supporters have done. As far as I, and everyone else I know, can tell, Romney is exactly everything I wrote in my first comment.
Since I had obviously made all of those conclusions with very widely available public evidence and personal experience, I can only infer that you must mean that I have "jumped to a conclusion" about what you are saying.
In that case, ironically, I'll have to jump right to the conclusion that you are trying to waste my time. So, I think I'll just go right back to my happy Sunday and suggest that you go read about how the quote and contraction symbols work.
Romney might be and worse..
But Rand didn't say it. It didn't come out of Rand's mouth ("fascist statist war monger"). Obviously you are on your own tirade and not listening to what I have said.
Go blow smoke up someone else's butt. You're not even in the same conversation.
I see that you still haven't
I see that you still haven't researched how quotation marks work.
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"Go blow smoke up someone else's butt. You're not even in the same conversation."
That is the way "you girls" work, trying to put words into people's mouths.
edit: putting words into people's mouths
O-bots work the same way but they are more vicious and oftentimes include snide comments as above.
The slickest of intruders are known by their cleverness to blend-in, having the distinct ability.. "to hide".
Rand is his own person and do whatever the ____ he wants.
As much as I don't like his premature and unfounded "endorsement"...I respect his right to do so.
All you supposed liberty lovers need to take a step back and realize you are engaging in groupthink disorder when you accuse him of "betrayal" and other emo words.
Get over it, and move on, for liberty.
In the end...I can promise you...he is one of us.
And, if anything...show some respect for Dr Paul and especially his mother, Carol, who understandably does not like seeing her son treated like this.
Look at the evidence...Rand wants to end the TSA, disarm (and possibly end), the FDA, audit (and possibly end) the Federal Reserve, he vociferously opposed the NDAA etc etc.
Personally, I get sick of the ad hominem attacks.
I agree with this forum, Ben-Jamin, and thank you for it!
~Chris
Norfolk, VA
~Chris
Norfolk, VA
Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.
Not true
He is a representative or so he holds himself to be.
He is not his own man he is a US Senator. The problem is that these shills think they are their own man when they enrich themselves at the pig trouth.
You got it way wrong. He solicided donations from those he would have to support him then stabbed them in the back.
sovereign
The word "betray" is a bit
The word "betray" is a bit strong. However, if you're trying to provoke emotional responses and divisive arguments, it's perfect.
Dippy Rand did not betray me
He betrayed his father and his country. He betrayed his office and his supporters, of which I would never be. As any half wit would have known that the teaparty has been taken over and Rand was brought in only as another Bob Bar to lead the oposition back into the GOP.
sovereign
The word betray is the correct word
Judas is the other that comes to mind.
sovereign
it's your own fault for
it's your own fault for thinking he was on your side.