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It's me again, it's been too long

It's been way too long since i've been on here. I've been busy with my senior year and i frankly was too saddened with everything going on to even care anymore.

Anyways, now i've graduated, i've told my parents i changed my mind about my goals of college and the American Dream. I (tried) to tell them my reasons, seeing College Conspiracy and the economy crashing. I told them all i want to do is start living off the land and learning manual stuff and everything, but they just wont understand. They wont listen to any evidence i have to give. They keep saying "Nonsense! Stop listening to those negative economists that cant predict the future!" yes, they believe in the false religion of higher education. Europe is COLLAPSING for Christs sake and on top of that, they just wont understand we're living with a fake currency that's about to end, and that inflation and this traitorous globalization has destroyed our future. They wont look at any other options for me. It's just pure CLOSED MINDEDNESS AND NORMAL BIAS they're displaying in spades. And yes they watch the lame stream media. They dont know anything about real economics. They keep assuming i'm lazy, lazy, lazy. They're so judgemental now.

Finally my dad told me "If you cant make any good decision on your own, i'll make those decisions for you now!!"


Obviously, I AM LIVID!!!!!!!! They really want to infringe on my freedom to make my own informed decision for myself??!!!! I guess it's time for me to find a job and get as far away from them as i can, because i just cant take that sitting down. When i was asleep I thought they were real parents but now, waking up, their REAL colors have shown!!! If they were real parents and really cared, they would SIT DOWN and listen to EVERYTHING i have to say and reserve judgement until they see for themselves!! They would support my decisions and try to help me instead of criticizing and judging me!!!!

I've thought of getting an apartment to myself, but i'm not sure i can afford it by myself, and i dont know anyone else i could get an apartment with besides my sister and her bf and my cousin, but i think of actually doing that and having to honestly explain why without sounding like a maniac! Ugh i never thought I'd be in this situation and now that I am, i just dont know what to do!

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Listen to your parents...

and if that fails...Move to Humboldt county and do your thing!

Bad food, worse weather, please rEVOLution the states so I can bring my family back home!
Rosa Koire for for President!

Plenty of options out there: ic.org

Follow your heart, not society's expectations. You'll be much happier in the long run. Believe me...been there, done that.

I think that in this day and age we...

...are in, families need to REALLY stick together! Please find a way to work things out with them. If you have graduated, use your skills for something(you didn't say what your degree was in). You can still learn to live off the land and since you have already went through the college bubble, it would be a shame to not use what you have obtained. Through much thought I'm sure you can come up with something. These are very scary times, but there isn't really anywhere to run. God bless you!

Go with your gut. Degrees don't mean squat!

Don't get into debt. Go learn as much about living off the land fr. those who are living off the land. There are options out there. ic.org

Your right to an extent...

...today they don't always pay off. He said he already graduated and I was just suggesting that if he can make any money out of it, he should. This way he can save/buy some acreage and live off the land. Think exploring all avenues on how he can obtain his dream would be wise. I know some people that live far from the city and use their skills for a home business. This would be a great option if he could manage that. Might as well make some money while one still can, because we will probably all have to learn to live off the land!

I do also think it would be wise to keep his relationship with his parents healthy. We all need each other. But that doesn't mean he needs to live at home to do that.

One step at a time.

Moving away from your parents and not relying on anybody but yourself financially is the first and important step to truly living free. Being your own boss and having the freedom of your own property come later. Good luck with your journey.

Sorry, but if you're still

Sorry, but if you're still living at home and your parents are supporting you then they will make decisions for you. You can't expect them to like you telling them you want to quit school and learn to be self-sufficient while they support you. If you don't like it, get out. That's something we all have to learn at some point, and what makes us truly able to be live freely.

If you are 18 then all you

If you are 18 then all you have to do is start supporting yourself and you will never half to listen to your parents again. You can never be free if you are dependent on anyone else for anything. When you have your own place to live and you dont expect your parents to chip in one penny to help support you then you will be free and they can never infringe on your rights again.

I sense..

that you don't relate to females very well conversationally. :)

OH probably thinks what you said sounds just like her parents...

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Female or male seems irrelevant.

The journey to gaining true independence is just as tough for either sex. Don't see how being a female should make any difference.


you are conflating "different" with "inferior/superior". I know I'm not.

In my life experience, raising daughters vs raising sons are nearly two different sports. And I know that if you talk to a female like you talk to a male then trouble is right up ahead... :p

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Next week may wake them up...

Greek elections this week...catastrophe next?

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

Welcome to One of the Rites of Passage

...your situation is not unique. I believe it is almost a set-up to learn critical thinking and truly come into yourself. Most of those much older traversed those troubled waters and some of us reached the "surprise" part of it.

I was care giver to my Mom as she graduated. While I thought she was one of the most brilliant people I had ever met. I also thought she was one of the most stubborn people I'd ever met. Further, I spent many years irritated with her and believing that she did not listen to me and thought I was only marginally intelligent.

While I would give anything to have those years back, life doesn't work that way. We can't take today's wisdom and go back and redo it. And we should not. Recognize that there is a chance that despite hurt feelings and angry words, your perception might not be 100% accurate were you to look at your feelings years from now.

Here is what happened to me as I watched my mom graduate to the next stage. I was amazed to learn that she not only never thought I was stupid, she had enjoyed very much the way my maturing mind operated. She had enjoyed our (often heated) debates. I had been wrong.

And, the best part was during the process of dying...everything that is not important just went away. I was able to spend time with my sister (not just mother) and felt a closeness (probably due to the kind of unconditional love a parent has for their child) that I have never experienced before or since.

You will be fine in whatever you decide. Obviously you are a thinker! God Bless ... it gets a whole lot better!


Learn a useful trade?

Learn a useful trade? Engineering and healthcare related degrees are just about the only useful degrees out there and would be worth it to pursue. Realize that a lot of these economists and writers who are scaring you have degrees themselves.

Oh i agree!

Not this liberal arts and women's studies stuff. Those dont teach any sort of real skill. I decided to get a 2 yr degree in healthcare :)

Super Honorable Profession

...with a lot to explore. We need health care professionals who believe in alternative medicine and actually heal...not just treat the symptoms of the last drug prescribed.

If I had it to do over again I would become a family doctor and support the wishes of parents who did not want to vaccinate, prescribe harmful drugs and make their own decisions regarding their childrens' health.

If I couldn't afford that, I might become a midwife. And, my now dead Uncle was an obstetrician! Were he alive I believe he like Dr. Paul would not approve of the take-over by the pharmaceuticals.

You have so many wonderful options out there!


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Your parents are right that none of us

has a crystal ball that foretells the timing of future events. As a parent it mildly drives me crazy that my own daughter is fairly aware but not preparing as I'd like her to. You are in the opposite situation, but both spring from concern for and from loved ones.

A couple practical suggestions in addition to many good ideas in the thread below: There are excellent permaculture courses that might both give you excellent knowledge before you try learning on your own, while satisfying your parents that you are getting training that can lead to a career as well as a lifestyle. Search on line for good courses.

If you cannot bear going the formal education route, try this site for hands-on jobs on organic farms, with living accommodations: http://www.wwoofusa.org/

And remember, for all your parent's annoying intrusiveness, they love and care for you. Try to see the world from their eyes. It is hard to see one's offspring to off by themselves into the cold, hard world.

There are far worse things you could do than go to college

Especially if your parents have money and will support you. Don't let all the LewRockWell bloggers and College Conspiracy get in your head. College is not a bad thing. Done correctly college is invaluable.

You can still study and do what you want. Your parents aren't necessarily wrong. It just sounds like they want whats best for you. There are far worse things to have than a college degree, especially if you are smart about it.

Actually college can be a

Actually college can be a very bad thing. Most of them indoctrinate you with false assumptions and idiocy. There's a reason there are very few geniuses or hugely successful people who actually went to college the way you're "supposed to".

Or, you can get lucky, and get teachers who aren't a part of that, and happen to be open minded and good at teaching others to be. But that's the exception not the rule.

Way to exaggerate

I don't disagree that there is indoctrination that takes place, but I've noticed those who haven't gone to college/have been away from academia for awhile tend to inflate the problems.

There is propaganda being taught to a certain degree in college (some are worse than others and some professors are worse than others), but guess what, there is propaganda being taught outside of college too. I have seen plenty of pseudoscience and propaganda on Lewrockwell, Mises, and the DailyPaul. People must always think for themselves, whether in college or not.

"There's a reason there are very few geniuses or hugely successful people who actually went to college the way you're "supposed to"."

That just isn't true. Many of society's greatest innovators did go to college. You are right that many did not, but to say that "very few" did is ridiculous. College is what you make it. It's a tool and an opportunity just like many other things. I loved my college experience and wouldn't have traded it for anything. I will be using my degree and education in my profession, so for me it was worth it.

You underestimate the effects

You underestimate the effects of exposure to false beliefs.

I've got a piece of land in

I've got a piece of land in CA I am looking for someone, or a few people, to permaculture. I'm talking with a leader in the Ron Paul movement in San Diego about drilling a well and starting the aquaponics part of it. If you're interested, it's free rent and a chance to build your own organic food supply

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown


I have experience in organic gardening since 1975, grew up on a ranch, and am working to make my 1 acre in La Mesa as 'sustainable" as I can within the system. I am interested in discussing this with you and Mike B.leader of my RP meet up - do you know to whom I am referring? Mike and I have been discussing these very issue (aquapoincs and permaculture) and that of gathering people of various skills and creating a forum on how to survive. My sons and I have been focusing upon acquiring the skills, and tools to do this very thing...
How can I help?

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

Thanks Libertybelle. Mike B.

Thanks Libertybelle. Mike B. is my friend and the man I mentioned above. We've been talking and he likes the idea of permaculturing my land. How can you help? I don't know for sure but I am open to all and any ideas. Mike and I talked about taking a little trip to the property to get a layout of the land and discuss this more. Maybe you can join him and I. Mike has my number so if you have his # you can get it from him. If you don't have Mike's #, email me with yours and we'll talk.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Small World, Huh?

BTW Landplanning and landscape design is my business! My company is Biomirage landscape & garden design www.biomirage.com. Although the work I do with Mike is all volunteer, pro bono. I will let Mike know that I am willing to help, consult, design etc. I am looking forward to meeting you and discussing your project!

Forever in Freedom!

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

Small world indeed. I see you

Small world indeed. I see you spent some time in Northern Az. I lived in Sedona/Page Springs for about 8 years myself. We're viewing this property as a bug-out/farm for liberty lovers. Right now it's hot but it rarely freezes here so it's ideal for aquaponics and for citrus. Looking forward to meeting and hopefully working with you.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

O Boy ~ More Synchronicity!

LOL! I lived in Sedona for 8 years too!! from 1974 - 1982. I loved living there and always felt blessed to be there before it was "discovered" and lost it's sleepy, small town feel. I managed the King's Ransom Hotel, if you know where that is, and later started my own landscaping business. Well, it's late now, but I am looking forward to meeting you!

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

look for a job

on a farm, granted you won't earn much, but that might include room and board. you definitely will learn a lot and learn how to be independent.
find a smaller farm that isn't all high tech.move to another state if you have to. or go to a trade school, what are you handy in. sometimes parents forget that their children grow up and they don't want to let go. to avoid hard feelings, act toward your parents as if they were just adults that you associate with.


Child's Song: Tom Rush

"Goodbye Mama goodbye to you, too Pa
Little sister you'll have to wait a while to come along
Goodbye to this house and all its memories
We just got too old to say we're wrong
Got to make one last trip to my bedroom
Guess I'll have to leave some stuff behind..." (Tom Rush 1970)

Tom Rush rarely sang this in his numerous performances worldwide...
Admittedly because of the intense feelings it generated for him..
....and his audience.

The complete lyrics are there also...very reflective,relevant to your situation..and many other young people.
...Best Luck on your Journey.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Hey, OH,

I tend to agree with weebles comment, below.

EVEN IF the entire world economy collapses this weekend (unlikely!), you still have to make a living. Living off the land isn't much of an option, especially if you don't already own a small farm! And I tend to agree with you that a four-year liberal arts degree at a cost of $100,000 (probably half of which would be student loans) is ridiculous right now.

But here is what you CAN do. Think about skills you could develop (and of course that you are interested in) that might be useful for bartering in a SHTF economy, and then pursue accreditation in those skills. Many of those types of degrees are available from community colleges.

As others have posted, reach out to your parents and find a compromise. They might be profoundly relieved to see you sign up for some kind of accreditation program that will actually lead to a JOB, and you can save the money you would spend on an apartment by living at home and attending a local trade/community college.

If, after you have an Associate's degree or some kind of accreditation (nursing/emt/mechanics/drafting/design/etc.), you decide to buy a small farm, well you will have a decent way to make enough money to get started!

Good luck, OH. It's for people like YOU that we are fighting the system for a better future. Hang in there, and don't give up or alienate your parents!