Voting conspiracy theories
How do I put this politely.
You guys are insane to think voter fraud is reponsible for Ron being
5th.
Vote recount can be considered if Ron was FIRST place and it was close, but fifth? Are you kidding me?
Apparently the owner of this site must subscribe to it since its on his front page over and over.
That's sad.
Ron Paul polled in Iowa at 9% at the end and he got 9.99% of the vote.
Ron Paul polled in New Hampshire at 8% at the end and he got 7.64% of the vote.
Now if you really are one of these truther types that believes that the pollsters and the vote counters are in collusion with one another, then I really feel sorry for you.
You need to focus on an ineffective campaign. Not conspiracy if you want change. Fire the chairman and the campaign manager and replace them with competent, veteran republican campaign managers.
OR I guess just believe that every state has a conspiracy between pollsters and vote counters to put Paul in fifth place. Because that makes the most logical sense, right?
Sheez people...
How Many Polls Were Fair?
Comparing polling results with actual results MAKES the case for vote fraud.
Stealing in plain sight is all it is.
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Wow i can't believe you
Wow i can't believe you doubt that vote fraud exists.
The fact is many towns show Ron Paul with 0 votes
So far two towns have now confirmed that Dr. Paul recieved 31 and 26 votes
It isn't a conspiracy? How is it possible that already 2 towns out of about 40 show ron paul only with 0 votes but claim it was human error.
Human error in 2 different counties against the same guy and both with 0 votes.
This is no accident and if you believe it is your an idiot.
How many more 0 vote towns are we going to find votes in?
How many votes in bigger towns were not counted for Ron Paul?
FACT: A conspiracy theory is when you do not have any facts - we have 2 towns so far out of 40 and there will be more believe that. LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE EVIDENCE TO SHOW FACT DO WE NOT?
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It's No Theory
Instances of errors and incongruities have already been found. It's a FACT. How far the mistakes carry are the theories.
Sorry to tell you
but "errors" will always be part of the process, regardless of how people vote. There is just no way it will ever be a 100% accurate affair. I know in America we love the idea of every vote counts and should be counted, and I'm not saying we shouldn't strive for accuracy, but the reality is there will be errors.
Errors do not mean mas outright fraud is taking place.
The claim is that even if
The claim is that even if there was something going on, it wouldn't make THAT big of a difference. It wouldn't mean Ron Paul would get 25% of the vote or anything like that. I beg to differ (actually, I don't beg to, I demand to!).
We have seen that only Ron Paul has had people campaigning publicly. He has raised the most money, and most importantly from INDIVIDUALS. We have seen the crowds he draws. By observation, no one would be surprised if he wasn't leading by a wide margin.
Now if he was garnering 40-50% support before the primaries, but the pollsters kept insisting he was getting less than 1%, people might start thinking that. Many would decide to vote for someone else thinking they were wasting a vote on Ron Paul. Now his actual support might drop to 20-30%, while the media tells us he's up to 5%. Then if he started getting 8-10% in the actual primaries, and we claimed voter fraud, people would think we're off our rockers. Then they might correct the errors and bump him up from 8% to 10% and we'd all be happy. It's way better than the 1% we were being told.
I'm not happy. He was a LOCK to get a minimum of 15% in NH, which puts him with the leaders and makes him a front-runner in people's minds and many more would vote for him in subsequent elections. We'd start seeing that 30-40% again.
The media (and NWO) certainly could manipulate things to make a candidate with 40% popularity get only 10% of the vote by hammering that he is only getting 1% for months. And nobody would be too suspicious.
The fact is, we are seeing evidence of error in NH. Even after the opposition by the media, the hand-counted towns are showing Paul with about 15% across the board. If that average continued, and there's no reason to believe it would be drastically different in towns using electronic machines, he'd have had 15%, and McCain and Romney would be just ahead of him as their totals would be somewhat lowered.
How in the world did McCain go from the basement to a winner? The same way Huckabee did. If they could do it, why couldn't Dr. Paul? Why is he considered out of it, when two guys (and Hillary) just made instant 15% gains? In fact not long ago Obama was about that far behind Hillary. Then he moved that far ahead of her. Watch for Fred and Julie-Annie to make similar sudden leaps soon. Pretty soon Dr. Paul will be the only candidate who hasn't made an instant 15% leap. How likely is that? But he will be marginalized as a fringe candidate.
How did Hillary make up 13-16% literally overnight? Because she cried? No way, but that story will fool enough people to think it's feasible. How does Obama get any support with his Muslim heritage? Those for or against the war wouldn't want a Muslim running the war against "Islamofacism".
I need to watch some professional wrestling. It's more believable than politics.
Your post is sooooo
full of errors! Factual and logical. Do some research then THINK.
h-daddy
Hey Davidg11, this is a great post.
But you are talking to people who have decided that voter fraud took place in NH. Nothing we can say will convince them that a few errors does not equal widespread fraud.
h-daddy
HQ will not respond to vote fraud
HQ will not respond, They have been here before with voter fraud in his congressional campaign & taken it to the Supreme Court. MOTION DENIED, Just like Al Gore
Post about how RP wins elections!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/23911
It's not all about the
It's not all about the "stolen" votes that leaves everyone wondering how many more may have been syphoned off. The real issue here, is about correcting a rogue election process, which will ultimately "untie" the hands of liberty. Everything Dr. Paul has been preaching about, LIBERTY!
So this should be no exception for him to speak out about one of the most VITAL rights as Americans to be able to conduct fair, TRANSPARENT elections.
The issue is around the potential for fraud
There are 48 states to go and the potential fro fraud exists. In order to reduce this potential we need to slam it hard and slam it now.
Your polls have no credibility what so ever. They are put out by the same people who excluded Dr. Paul from the "forum." I know it is a different company from Fox. It is the same people with the same goals. You have a right to call things "conspiracy theories" go ahead, I will remind you that those two words used together are what the media uses to marginalize truth.
Have you read the Warner Act?
You think we need a police state?
What on earth are you doing on this board?
Dr. Paul represents what we are all doing right now. It is not just getting elected president IT IS STOPPING the process are country is following NOW .
We have to wait until November to demand the truth?
Demanding the truth is wrong?
Sutton is a dinky assed little town with a couple of people counting paper ballots. They had to take a pencil and write "ZERO" next to Ron Paul's name....If it is a legitimate error no sweat, but, I want the 31 f*ing votes. Those kids borrowed money to get to NH and slept in basements for 3 weeks to get those votes and we are going to get them.
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It's about the Constitution, stupid...
It's not all about the "stolen" votes that leaves everyone wondering how many more may have been syphoned off. The real issue here, is about correcting a rogue election process, which will ultimately "untie" the hands of liberty. Everything Dr. Paul has been preaching about, LIBERTY!
Convention
Could it be possible that they are intentionally creating such an even spread between all the candidates so that the winner will only be revealed at the convention?? By doing this:
1. the democratic nominee is known
2. the proven stance on where the American people stand on the war is revealed
3.enough time is given for "their" candidate to have either
(a) switched positions which is unlikely because that will look bad or
(b) enough time is given for "them " to switch to Ron Paul simply to win the white house.If by that time the fact that the American people want out of the war is proven, they will have no other choice but to support Ron Paul in order to win the white house.
(c) enough time to instigate some kind of horrific attack in order for the American people to support the war again
Just a thought...
How do I put this politely...
I CAN'T!!! Recount the fricking votes NOW!!! Diebold type machines should have been BANNED!!!
No vote fraud??? How about GW in FL or oh, again, GW in OH??? 2 people were arrested just the other day for VOTE FRAUD in OH with all the coverup!!!
No vote fraud my ass!!!
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David, you are a moron.
I spent two weeks in New Hampshire working for Ron, I am not going to accept the bogus accuvote diebold machines.
Watch Hacking Democracy on google video, an HBO documentary that unequivocaly exposes Dieblod machines as easily manipulated.
31 people in the town of Sutton voted for Ron, and 0 votes were reported. I spent two days going door to door in Sutton. WTF more evidence do you want? What could possibly convince you of potential vote fraud, if not this?
You sound like the first questioner in the youtube debate, throwing out insulting labels like, "insane" and "conspiracy theorist" to try to intimidate us into acquiescence. We will not be silenced.
Classic Subversion Abounds on this Forum!
First there are those that PITY all of you. (Oh geewhiz...thanks)
Then there are those that name call, such as, Conspiracy theorists, tin foil hat people, insane ones, etc...
Then if that doesn't work . . .they try to Depress and Discourage you. . such as, "Is this really worth it? Will you be able to raise enough money? Come On now, Isn't this such a Long Shot?"
And, Oh My Personal Favorite:
"Isn't it just better to vote for the Lesser of Two Evils, you know, the one most likely to get elected?"
ALL OF THE ABOVE ARE SCAMS.
LEARN TO RECOGNIZE THEM. LEARN TO DISMISS THEM.
CARRY ON, SOLDIERS!
31 votes not being counted
31 votes not being counted means that 31 people were screwed out of their votes. That's a big deal to me.
And the infiltrators dissing the recount are afraid the rest of us WILL find out that 3000 people were screwed out of their votes.
And that the American people ARE being screwed.
It's really sad
that you would believe the voter fraud is impossible. Look at all of the other crap this government is doing. There must be some reason you're voting for the good Doc...
The Vote Fraud Conspiracy 1)
The Vote Fraud Conspiracy
1) There is no vote fraud in NH.
2) Elections in NH are under the control of the NH state legislature, per the U.S. Constitution.
3) NH has 400 elected representatives in their state House. Each district has a population of about 3000 people.
4) You don't need big money or the mass media to get elected. The districts are about the size of small to medium sized city council districts of typical American cities. The NH House has a very high turnover rate, as the position is part-time.
5) Any allegations of vote fraud must be handled by the NH legislature. Period. If you can't get them to buy into your theories, then they are bunk. People in Wisconsin have no legal standing to interfere in NH elections. Whenever huge elections are conducted, simple mistakes will occur by local officials that are not part of some vast conspiracy. Furthermore, the Republican Party of NH is under no obligation to hold any elections at all. It is a private organization. They are under no obligation to even give Ron Paul the time of day.
6) It is much easier to rig exit polls and pre-election polls, than elections. You can't recount a poll.
7) Voter fraud allegations are a neo-con conspiracy. Rumors are mongered to disillusion activists and Ron Paul supporters.
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Dear Sir,
If you want my "buy in" to your bold assertions of what the facts are, I would respectfully request that you back them up with landed, on-the-ground evidence.
Also, tell me of the authority from which you speak.
Who was watching every vote?
Show us your evidence that "Voter fraud allegations are a neo-con conspiracy".
I am an independent thinker. This, in fact, is part of my draw to this campaign. I am suspicious of all assertions that are not backed up.
I am not going to suddenly believe something just because some one proclaims that this is the way is it.
You may be totally right in some of your assertions. You may have the best of intentions in stating them the way you do.
I would just request that you, and that all of us here, post in a way that supports us in thinking for ourselves and coming to our own conclusions.
Thank you.
Even if you are 100% right in each of your assertions
You are either very forgetful or a fraud
From your very own post two days before the primary "RON PAUL POLLS 14% in NEW HAMPSHIRE!!!!!!!"
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/21703
Are you now saying that you were wrong on Jan 6 or are you wrong now?
The poll was wrong. RP got
The poll was wrong. RP got 8%, not 14%.
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for James Madison.
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Any individual denying the
Any individual denying the fact of vote fraud at this point, after what happen in 2000 and 2004 is the equivalent of a good 1930s German. You know all those great German patriots who would have scoffed at those "conspiracy theorist" who said Hitler was manipulating the nation into tyranny.
WAKE UP!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-ecdkCVD7mM
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4762159260759486531
And this has got nothing to do with Alex Jones, what about ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR YOU GOOD LITTLE GERMANS?
Was the 2004 Election Stolen?
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004...
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We all know he didn't get 1st and 2nd
but if enough votes were missed or skimmed off the top, he could have been in 3rd and most certainly 4th.
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If two little towns Sutton and Greenville found 31 and 25 votes each, respectively, what do you think the miss-count is in the larger cities?
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Nobody in the establishment want RP to win. 3rd is huge momentum for someone who doesn't get much media coverage and is not considered 1st tier.
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Vote stealing is reality.
greenville is still showing 0 votes for Dr Paul 1/10/08
whattayaknow. Just a conspiracy right?
Don't think
Don't think there are vote fraud. The main reason Ron Paul wasn't getting enough votes is not enough people heard about him. Come cross his name once on street doesn't count. People pick the name that's showing on TV over and over and over
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How do I put this politely ?
Screw you ! He polled at 14% on Friday and 8% on the Monday after , in order to hide the fact that they were going to steal it !
conspiracy theory?
Do you live in the United States? Do you think they dont steal votes?
Did you see the documentary by congresswoman Cynthia Mckinney?
American Blackout
that will show you, how they steal votes. they stole votes from her, and is all documented.
No, it is not a Conspiracy theory, Do your research.
Sorry to say, but i am the one Who feels sorry for you.
stop calling us conspiracy theory Truthers!!!!! Google it, and after you watch the video, post again and say SORRY.
They do steal votes.
"RON PAUL IS NOT LOSING, AMERICA IS.
HE CAN FIX IT, WITH OUR SUPPORT"