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Vote Rand Paul in 2016, Obama in 2012 (keep Mitt out)

Mitt will not pick Rand Paul for vice president.

Rand Paul's only shot to getting to the presidency in 2016 is for Mitt to stay out. Then there will be a Republican primary.

Obama's 2 terms will be over, the field will be wide open. Not only will Rand Paul win the GOP nomination he will also win the general election.

Obama and Romney are the same, voting for one or the other hardly matters. 3rd party is a waste of time.

Evidence: Rand Paul endorsed Mitt. We'll let's endorse Rand by defeating Mitt.

It's our last 2012 play. The 2 party system is by nature rather closed but not completely so, however we must be vigilant to create our own opportunities when we can.

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twelfth knight

I hear ya.

So many folks on here are either gop operatives trying to squelch the anti-Mitt crowd OR they're ignorant to the WAR happening within the GOP.

IF mitt gets elected and its primarily WITHOUT DPers, we ARE DONE!!
Libertarian movement over folks. go home.

The GOP will at that point KNOW they dont need us to win the white house and will move even more to the neocon agenda.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

Can this thread

just die please. There will never be a Ron Paul supporter that is going to cast their vote for Obama. My god, just vote 3rd party.

yeah not a single one

you idiot.

Unlike you, legions of Ron Paulers know that only the GOP Primaries matter and will do all they can to ensure they get them as often as they can.

If you don't care about GOP Primaries, THEN WHY ARE YOU EVEN ON THIS SITE?!?!?!?

Never vote for the political twins

and if I Can't write in Ron Paul I am going to vote for this guy:


He would much better than Obama, or Romney lol.

Gold standard: because man can not be trusted to control his greed



Vote and get a free pony!

What could be better.

Gold standard: because man can not be trusted to control his greed

he's got one thing right

a vote for him is a vote completely thrown away.

Here if u vote to stop Mitt then you get a 2016 GOP Primary. If you let Mitt win then you don't.

Choice is yours.

The biggest arguement this guy has...

"Get used to it the NWO already took the 2012 election. There are zero reasons why either Mitt or Obama is better, except one. If Mitt is kept out we get another GOP Primary in 2016."

"They took this election?" did i miss the memo that said this election was over? Until Romney or Obama is sitting in the white house in 2013, they havent taken anything... If your implying they fixed or rigged it, then no choice we make now will matter, as for 2016 with Rand your kidding yourself, they will just rig it again.

Their dumbass belief in power at any cost will only bring hell upon them when we march in the streets against them. They risk civil war because they think they are safe sitting up high in thier thrones of power.

Thats where Lenin was wrong, take power at any cost, but none of them have EVER kept it. It DOES NOT WORK. You will always be overthrown when you treat the working class like garbage. You either work FOR the people, or AGAINST the people. Against the people, you will always lose.

As for the RNC, Romney, Obama, and all the other Socialists, remember how Sadam looked when he got pulled outta that hole? Let's just say Karma's a bitch.

hey stupid

This is a general election plan based on the nominees being Mitt and Obama.

If it's not Mitt and Obama then obviously this plan does not apply.


Strategically voting for Obama is no different

than strategically voting for Romney.

"He did not come into the world to condemn it, but to save it." - John 3:17

"Well, you know it's like I always say 'it ain't government work if you don't have to do it twice.'" - Jerry Gergich

sure it is

because if Obama wins we get a 2016 GOP Primary. If Mitt wins we don't.

Cut and dry. That is it.

Yeah. A friend of mine mentioned this concept to me

recently as well. It makes sense, but I'm kind of 50/50 with it. You're exactly right when you say that 4 more years of Obama is better than 8 more years of... Obamney. But I just don't know if I can bring myself to voting for someone who is exactly like Obama.

I just don't know... I am undecided on this as of right now.

"He did not come into the world to condemn it, but to save it." - John 3:17

"Well, you know it's like I always say 'it ain't government work if you don't have to do it twice.'" - Jerry Gergich

It still makes obama

look like he is justifiable. He is not. He sucks. do not vote for him for "strategic reasons". We need to show the GOP that we control elections, just vote 3rd party.

says you

where do you come up with this garbage?


If I'm not going to vote for Romney...

Then why the hell would I vote for Obama?

That's like choosing between Pancreatic Cancer and Colon Cancer, I don't want either!

I want the cure, Ron Paul and only Ron Paul.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Although this will only

Although this will only matter in about 8 swing states, and I say go for it if you are in one of those and vote for Gary Johnson otherwise, it is more like choosing between having cancer for 4 years (Obama) or 8 years (MittWitt)! I wish I could say I am surprised that Paul supporters can't grasp this concept, but I offered an idea of voting for Frothy in WI to keep him in the race and people couldn't grasp that either at the time! Since he dropped out it should be more obvious how important a brokered convention really was back then! Paul supporters refuse to vote strategically even if it helps us win!

I know

You'd think it'd be obvious that all that matters is us getting shots to win in GOP Primaries. You'd think we'd do all we can to get to them, considering all they supposedly do once we get one. Or maybe not. These are what, just full time whiners?

That's a perfect analogy for

That's a perfect analogy for the inverse of your argument: You don't want either cancer, but if had to try to survive with one of them and there was no third alternative, then choose the colon cancer; your chances of beating it are many times greater.


We get something (a 2016 GOP Primary) if Obama wins versus if Mitt wins.

Has nothing to do with the actual guys, has everything to do with ballot access and party organization.

By 2016, Rand will have his own show with Hannity.

and you will be very sad and confused.


no I won't. Because Rand is being a GOPer to win their support but he would rather be the GOP leader. And we'd rather have Rand the GOP leader than Mitt. So if we keep Mitt out now then the GOP leader position stays vacant until 2016 at which point Rand can take it.

not bad logic....if our votes mattered

I don't think our votes matter...so why buy into the illusion that out does.

Also, what part of no compromise would voting for obama be?

why not, i guess

No compromise means do all u can to get Congressman Paul elected as soon as possble. (be it Ron or Rand)

As I said in the other 'Vote Odumbo' thread...

Asking us to pick Lead over Mercury, it's for the best.

...like hell it is! You will never find me voting for either of these vile statist cretins.

Tales of Vesperia - Resolution of the People ~ from 'Ring a Bell'

then u are letting Mitt win

Meaning u have no real choice AGAIN in 2016.


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!! If Obama gets reelected in 2012 there won't be a 2016.this country will be locked down under martial law by then.Have some common sense man.

Some see things as they are and say why,but i dream things that never were and say why not. Robert F. Kennedy


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!! If Mitt gets elected in 2012 there won't be a 2016.this country will be locked down under martial law by then.Have some common sense man.

having fun?

Get used to it the NWO already took the 2012 election. There are zero reasons why either Mitt or Obama is better, except one. If Mitt is kept out we get another GOP Primary in 2016.

Cut and dry. That is it.

Your Vote Will Be Spun

Any vote for Obama will be taken as a vote for more socialism, and it will affect all the candidates who run for Congress, and many state and local offices. It will be seen as the direction the wind is blowing.

Any vote for Romney will be taken as a vote for the bankers.

Don't let yourself be suckered into voting for someone you don't want.

My whole reason for joining the LP 15 years ago was to make sure there was a person I could vote for who was better than what the dominant parties were offering. The best thing to do is to vote for the best constitutional/libertarian candidate on the ballot in each race no matter the party or their chances of winning.

What counts is the trend. Are freedom candidates gaining votes? Even the incumbents will look at the numbers and see whether the public mood is shifting and which way. Voting for a candidate you don't want will never send them the right message, and you could win the battle and lose the war.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

What counts is

If we get a 2016 GOP Primary or get shut out until 2020.

Choice is yours.

Not a wise idea

at all. They are both from the nwo crowd. Propped up to take your rights and wealth away. Making you a slave forever. Both have sold their soles to the establishment. They probably have been told your immediate family will be safe and live above all the slaves. Neither gives a hoot about you. Obama will move the socialist agenda faster than Romney. Romney will have more wars and the expansion of the military. The economy will decline under both. Bankers will reap the rewards under both. While more of our rights will be taken away. Yes it does look like it would be only four years under Obama.. But you also forgetting their is the next in line waiting. Hillary Clinton... for some odd reason people out there like this "B".. That is the one I see in the next four yrs to contend with... She does have the credentials, lawyer, wife of a governor, wife of a president, senator, secretary of state. Her husband was very popular.. she will be too... so don't vote for one or the other... keep your mind set on liberty!!!

It's time! Rand Paul 2016!

"Truth, Justice, and the American Way!"