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Lawyers for Ron Paul on The Power Hour; 6/18/12

Porter Davis was on -the last half- of the third hour show today. Very good show. Helps clairify what L4RP is about. Starts at the 34 min mark.
http://podcast.gcnlive.co...
The Power Hour airs Monday thru Friday. You can listen on GCN live or on podcasted shows 24/7.
Thanks Henry Shivley for link.

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Nice flow of ideas

Based on collective zeal of thumbs, for some "patriots" & "revolutionaries" your arguments are very strong. They make my post look ridiculous and your post not.

That's because we are smarter

That's because we are smarter than you. Troll.

"Truth is treason in the empire of lies".

The Paul campaign should have taken on the media from the start.

After the first and each subsequent debate, and all the media coverage that either treated him as being invisible, or a "nut" or "not electable." The Paul campaign did NOTHING. The campaign has been compromised from the beginning.

It is quality of American education

I do not believe this man. The lawyers are focusing on rule 38, but forget other rules. Namely
1) States parties decide on how election is conducted.
2) RNC "plurality" where "at large" delegates are allocated based on the beauty contests.
3) You cannot change rules in the middle of the year.

Thus if RP got only 3 states for plurality and his name is not put on the roll call, using rule 38 wont help. If Rule 38 is declared true for future elections, then many states will adjust their election of "at large" delegates (they will make a special GOP committee to appoint delegates proportionate to the beauty contests based on their personal trust of delegates.)

Imagine Santorum supporters, who won plurality in 7 states, being told that their vote does not matter?

not saying you are right or wrong about lawyers

but Primaries and Caucuses have no legal force. They are only used by the party to gauge those who consider themselves party members to choose their preference for a particular candidate.

According to the national party, delegates are what matters. Honestly the 2 party system is just one system and needs to be brought down because it's truly a monopoly that forces every other party from competing.

which is a Political Committee's 1st Amendment Right

It's called The Right of Association, and they can determine the nominee using whatever delegate binding/appropriation scheme they want. There are SCOTUS precedents regarding this type of stuff (O’Brian v. Brown, Ripon Society, et al. v. The National Republican Party, et al.). A lawsuit should be made, competently, challenging election fraud, NOT the binding of delegates. There is just no way.
I will bet anyone here, any amount of counterfeit Federal Reserve Notes,
put in escrow, that this case will either:

  • be dismissed, or
  • not heard before the convention, or
  • will lose.

any takers?

NOT Much Faith in Judges

And although I initially hoped for a "Libertarian-Leaning Judge" such as Hon. Alex Kozinski,

http://chelm.freeyellow.com/how.html

I was appalled at what I discovered:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Kozinski

"Kozinski was assigned an obscenity case .....the Los Angeles Times reported that Kozinski had "maintained a publicly accessible Web site featuring sexually explicit photos and videos" at alex.kozinski.com...........sexually aroused farm animal, images of masturbation and public and contortionist sex, a slide show striptease featuring a transsexual.."

And "Hon." is an abreviation for "Honorable"..

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

So...Ya STILL Want A Court-Case?

They say: "Be careful what you pray for.......
........You just might get it"!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

You Do Not Address Delegates Being Able To Vote Their

conscience. That is what is supposed to be in place. Maybe the state binding rule is against the law in itself and just has never been challenged. Does this give delegates way more power? - yes. Open to more money and corruption - yes. Therefore, this ideally would lead to parties fielding candidates based on overall percentage gained in beauty contest votes only - and then the general electorate choose amongst them. In other words the parties business would lead to parring down the # of candidates. How such an idea would effect third parties - I don't know - but obviously be based on rules/laws set by congress.

If we have learned anything this cycle it is that the parties are corrupt and manipulate.

If you force rule 38 in the future election

the states will still want election to represent people (the majority.) For example, states will make a system where selection of delegates comes from slates submitted from each candidate before hand. The selection will be proportionate to beauty contest.

People forget that if minority forces their own will on the majority, but keeps free election, the majority will find the way to reverse it. For example, if RP supporters will take over GOP at Tampa in a hypothetical scenario, you can expect Santorum and Romney delegates to support Obama in Nov.

They're the same as Obama anyway.

And judging by all of the Romney signs I see out there, I'm not so sure he really has the majority, without fraud of course.

It can't be proportional - that's illegal

It will always be illegal, because there is no provision for political parties in the constitution of the united states.

The only votes that count are GENERAL elections. Any dumbass can create a political party. But the primary is not an ELECTION, it never has been or will be, they make you think it is, but it's not. Your Secretary of State does not have a law that says place the primary winner on the general election ballot, what the law says is that if your political party reaches a threshold in the last election of 1%, 2%, 5% etc on a statewide ballot the candidate(s) of your party will placed on the ballot automatically rather than by petition.

Some states offer a primary paid by the tax payers to gauge what the members of these political parties above that have met the threshold criteria to see who their members prefer for whatever political position they are running for, but those primary votes are just for "fun", because the law reads that the secretary from any state party reaching the threshold to be considered a major party will submit the names of those candidates it wishes to be on the general election ballot. The party does not even need to have a primary, they can just assign somebody to the general election ballot if they wish. They have primaries to gain free media, and control, as well as keep smaller political parties out.

You seriously

Believe that??? These people want ANYONE BUT Obama.

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

I believe it

Do not think for one minute the plutocrat, Rockefeller, RINO Republicans would not welcome a second Obama term. If RP were the nominee and he lost, he would be blamed for the failure, the movement crippled, and the RINOs back in complete control.

Romney was undercutting McCain/Palin before the 2008 election as reported by the American Spectator, so, as one of his former aids then working for McCain said, Romney would be in charge the day after the expected (hoped for) loss. The Palin smears originated there, and still persist from the likes of RINO Nicole Wallace, whose husband is a Romney staffer. Palin is a natural ally to Ron Paul with her call for "sudden and relentless reform."

There is nothing these bass turds will not do for power, and if it's to take out the Paul movement in one fell swoop, they would do it in a hearbeat. Eight years of Mitt Romney is more dangerous than a lame duck Obama. At least we know Obama is the enemy. Would that we had a Congress with spine, which we may after this cycle.

So what do you suggest?

Should we just roll over and take it from the establishment rather than fight?

I believe that you have valid points but I can not, in good conscience, give up and let them win.

Further, I can not force myself to believe that enough people are willing to endure 4 more years of Obama just for spite. They are not as loyal as we RP supporters are... they just want an "R" in the White House.

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

Agreed

Palin was used as the scapegoat for McCain's loss. Palin is anti-establishment, but she will stick up for those who stick up for her, loyal, establishment or not. Palin smears did start with Romney.

But we can throw it back at the establishment if Romney loses and say its their fault for pushing an ultra liberal.

You

think you can thrust your ideas though throats of others? Nope. It is war of ideas, but not via coercion. You cannot have president who did not win popular vote in a single state. Why? Because if we win, we wont establish another dictatorship or tyranny. That means if majority wont like our free society, they will change it again.

For a STABLE free society, consensus is required.

I do not have to

thrust my ideas anywhere... RP will have an "R" after his name if he makes it onto the ballot... that in itself is enough for a great many people. Especially the ABO voters. I truly believe he can win.

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

You don't read much do you?

You don't read much do you? If you do, you definitely know nothing about this campaign and the states that were stolen via blatant fraud and manipulation.

Do is a favor and take a long walk off a short pier. We know a rat roll when we see one.

Get lost, douche nozzle.

"Truth is treason in the empire of lies".

bravo

Keep up the fight!

Finally, Real Patriots take action!

I guess sometimes you have to kiss a lot of frogs.

There's little question that

There's little question that some problems exist in Ron Paul's campaign along with the GOP establishment and Romney's campaign as well. Personally, I'm pleased that this group is pursuing this lawsuit as it will FORCE the defendants out of the shadows and into the daylight. Corruption ALWAYS needs to be exposed.

I will admit

that I am more impressed with this thread than any other "Lawsuit"/Lawyers for Ron Paul thread thus far.

Porter Davis, is one of the Lawyers for Ron Paul. He's being interviewed by Joyce Riley/Power Hour, and is a former State Rep for Oklahoma. More importantly, imo, he ENDORSED Ron Paul for President during the 2008 election cycle: (lends legitimacy)

http://bokomaru.wordpress.com/2007/12/27/ron-paul-endorsemen...

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Porter Davis is not a lawyer

I am one of the concerned citizens who is on the Executive Committee for Lawyers for Ron Paul. I work with public relations, among other things.

Thank you

For the work you are doing.

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

HaHa!

Okay! Then I can only suggest you contact the person (FTTWR) who made the video linked above to correct HIS/HER information!! This is what it says:

"...Porter Davis, one of the Lawyers for Ron Paul, discusses the Ron Paul Campaign and the lawsuit filed against the GOP with Joyce Riley on The Power Hour - June 18, 2012..."

:)

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Ron Paul 2012...and beyond
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That Would Be

The Truly Honest "thing to do"...Mister Davis pleases clarify this.

OTHERWISE: It's misleading

Thank You for admitting to this..but an "anonymous screen name" is not credible nor verifiable as to authenticity.
(It could be HG in one of his numerous aliases)

BTW: Here is the "REAL" Mister Davis:

http://www.myflowerbuyer.com/aboutus.asp

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Anonymous screen name??

As in "Danton"?

Clearly, FAR-LESS Anonymous

Than YOU.......YOU CLAIM to have been "involved" in Public Relations
YET: You:
.......Member for 5 weeks 3 days
(Longtime Paul supporter?)
Recent Posts:
.......User has not forum post

ME:
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...........It's not clear that you are WHO you portray to be.
Maybe just another "paid" LFRP Operative posting BS here.
Ummmm..."your website":
www.porterhdavis.com
leads to this blog: http://www.freeoklahoma.blogspot.com/
Is this some shady legal maneuver by a proxy wanting to avoid a lawsuit?....Me:Private Individual...You:"PR Man or proxy-warrior"?

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!