Why No discussion of how we are going to get $23 Mil. in Next Two Weeks?
This is just my opinion.
We need to have Trevor Lyman, who organized the Nov. 5th and Dec. 16th money bombs, cancel the MLK money bomb, and organize one for Jan 20th. Let's make Jan. 20th A Grassroots Uprising for Freedom Day(we can come up with another name). It will be OUR day, not tied to the past. We could advertise it as a day to let America know that you want Freedom, Real Freedom! A $100 donation that day will be a voice of protest against taxes, the war, the debt, devaluing of your money, civil liberty violations, the drug war, and other grievances against the government.
Videos could be made showing rising prices, national debt climbing, consequences of the drug war, cost of lives and money in Iraq, Patriot Act, tax burden, healthcare crisis,environment,etc. Then show that donating $100 will show you want something done about these problems, and also that you believe RP will solve these issues.
Jan.20th will be enough time before Feb. 5th and also leaves over a week for Lyman to send out emails to all the those who donated before, stressing that RP needs the money NOW. RP Headquarters could also send out an email to the whole donor list addressing the desperate needs for funds for Super Tuesday. They could mention that all they need is $100 from every supporter who donated before. People get tired of
feeling financially burdened or being asked for money, and $100 is not unreasonable and will not break the bank for most people.
The problem with MLK bomb, is people are only suppose to donate $10 as a show of strength. That will not add up to enough money.
We do not need any shows of strength,like the MLK bomb is suppose to do. We need to show strength at the polls and the only way that will happen is if the Campaign can advertise in the Super Tuesday states.
I would bet that a big chunk of the $20 million has already been spent, and another big chunk will be used for the primaries before Super Tuesday. That leaves very little for all the states on Feb. 5th.
I urge everyone to consider this proposal. I'm fine if you don't agree. I just feel it is the best course of action, so I'm throwing this out there. If you agree, please feel free to spread the idea. I've posted it on here before, with no responses, and it was quickly buried.
This issue of a new money bomb, or a new way to get to donations quickly for Super Tuesday needs to be throughly discussed. I know there is a money bomb starting on the 15th, but it doesn't seem like it will be as much money as is needed, $5 to $7 million(best estimate that I've seen stated).
We can do do it.It is possible.
Needed $22,350,000
150,000 supporters who donated last quarter + $100 each = $15,000,000
The remaining $7 million could be covered by extra donations by supporters who can afford it, new supporters brought it during that time, the donations coming in every day, other smaller money bombs, etc.
Please discuss this important issue. We cannot compete on Super Tuesday unless something is done. Also, please consider my idea, critique it, or use some of it to come up with a similar idea.
SOMETHING HAS TO BEEN DONE SOON
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Did you notice how Ron mentioned that our next date is MLK day? So I guess that decides it in my book! Money Bomb MLK Day!!!
I just sent this letter to the campaign
Dear Dr. Paul,
It is my understanding that the campaign needs another $23 Million. I am also lead to believe that you will not except matching election funds from the federal government. I fully and wholly respect the position of not taking funds which the Constitution does not allow disbursement through an enumerated power. I further believe that what I am about to suggest is a stretch of the intended purpose of Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1. However, if we are to take the the general welfare section of the clause, to include health of the electoral process, then I am willing to have my tax dollars spent to help you get elected. Many of us have already maximized out direct contributions, either through legal limits or personal ability to give, and we consider our taxes being spent this way as another method of giving.
I further ask that you consider how you came to your decision on directed appropriations of your own district. It is no secret that you vote against them, yet you have said you put them in to get the money back to the people. Please consider the matching in a similar way. Many of us believe that our taxes are unfairly taken, but if we are given the opportunity to say those ill gotten federal funds will be spent to aide you, then so be it, at least I can rest feeling our taxes helped the country in a much more direct way.
I would suggest that you post a simple poll on your website, asking people if they would like to see matching funds for their donations. I imagine that very few of us would say we do not want your campaign and ostensibly our revolution to be denied the funds. I know if there had been a check box on the donation form asking, "Do you support request the federal government match this donation?" I would have checked yes, thus regaining control of my tax money.
Respectfully,
Phillip Padden
AWESOME POST!!
You need to put this up on a BLOG FORUM...so it will not get buried.
You said everything perfectly and I love your idea about an internal poll from headquarters to see what the grassroots think about matching funds.
I for one, totally want him to take matching funds!!!
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I was actually thinking in
I was actually thinking in light of the recent accusations of Dr. Paul being a racist, a MLK money bomb would show the people that neither he nor his supporters are racist. In fact it should be brought to light that we have been planning this prior to the accusations.
My .02
- Matt
The MLK money bomb is good in light of the recent event
but the problem with it lies in the fact that it is only suppose to be a show of support strength for RP with a $10 donation. It does not address the fact that RP needs $22,000,000 to compete on Super Tuesday, and he needs it by or around MLK day.
People seem to be ignoring the fact that the Campaign stated they needed $23 million to compete on Super Tuesday. This issue needs to be addressed, if it is not, I don't see how the Campaign can get the message out to the rest of America. If they don't get to hear his message, learn about him, and know him as a candidate, how are they going to know to vote for him?
I agree totally! Keep the date for MLK and simply ask...
...supporters to donate $100 or more. I signed up for $10 but will gladly go an extra $100. Let's get the word out to all MLK supporters about the event. We need to come up with some sizzle for the steak, if you know what I mean. I'll get back to you on that...I say raise the pledge amount for new donors to $100. I'll pledge again.
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."
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"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."
-George Washington
Why not raise it from 10 to
Why not raise it from 10 to 100?
Canvassing
I have been canvassing all week, lunch breaks, after work until nightfall. Maybe with all this canvassing will produce more support. I also plan on attaching a letter to the canvassing materials as well that will include info on the debate tonight and also a printed contribution form from the website too. I think that those are very good ideas!
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Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
We are eligable for $23 million in matching funds.
Otherwise, I'm already maxed.
RP will not accept matching funds
It is against his principles. I think he should consider it, but there are a lot of restrictions place on the candidate when he does that, from what I've heard.
I read before the Tea Party that less than 3% of RP supporters are maxed out. The percentage has gone up since then but has to be under 10%.
2 weeks?????
20 million almost was raised last qtr. 23 million should not be out of the question-but not needing to happen in two weeks-am i missing something?
needs to be by the end of march,right?
also,not every supporter 'will max out'-so keep that in mind whilst viewing your 3% stats and so forth.
we don't all have the extra cash every month,or anything in savings. for real.
And I'll continue to donate,even w/o 'results',bc results to me are not simply coming out in front in primaries-this is a movement and a message,as said already. I'm funding freedom and public awareness,and the future leadership of our country,beyond 2008. The BIG picture.
I didn't mean
Just so you know, I didn't mean 3% in the way you think. What I meant was that the majority of the other candidates supporters have already maxed out. A good thing RP has going for him is that over 90% of his supporters have not maxed out, therefore can donate again to his campaign. I, in no way, was saying that all supporters should max out. My point was, if we all give some, like $100 it adds up to a lot. 200,000 supporters donate $100 equals $20 million. That was my point. I know how tough things are, money is tight with me as well.
Horatius: Why No discussion of how we get $23 Mil. in 2 weeks?
Not sure what you're looking for.
Are you looking for a "let's do it" thread with cheerleading etc? Sure, DP can do that.
Are you looking for a tactical discussion on Money Bomb dates etc.?
If you're looking at tactics, the reason I haven't written to this thread yet is the math isn't there. I'm a professional fundraiser ($5 million in small donations throughout career) and can assure you the most passionate givers WILL ALWAYS overestimate the passion of the others. I.E, the people on this and other RP forums will ALWAYS project their personal commitment to RP onto others. Remember the predictions thread on the Tea Party? What was it, 3/4's of us overestimated what actually came in? Overestimating desire to give, AND capacity to give.
Finish 3rd or better in 2 contests in a row... then you'll find another 100,000 donors, then you'll have your $23 million.
-JP
The first 5 million supporters of Dr. Paul are 'early adopters.' The next 10 million will require a modified approach.
I discussed how I thought we could raise the $23 mil. read above
"Not sure what you're looking for"
I am looking for people to discuss ways to raise the $23 million. I stated how I thought it should be done.
"Are you looking for a "let's do it" thread with cheerleading etc? Sure, DP can do that."
I am in no way looking for a cheerleading thread. What I am looking for is the people on DailyPaul to discuss ideas on how to raise the $22 million that is needed to able to compete on Super Tuesday. I doubt the Campaign would ask for that sum unless it is needed.The way it is looking now, RP will not be able to compete on Super Tuesday, unless we come up with a way to get the $22 million that is needed. So I am trying to get people to focus on this hugely important issue.
"If you're looking at tactics, the reason I haven't written to this thread yet is the math isn't there. I'm a professional fundraiser ($5 million in small donations throughout career) and can assure you the most passionate givers WILL ALWAYS overestimate the passion of the others. I.E, the people on this and other RP forums will ALWAYS project their personal commitment to RP onto others. Remember the predictions thread on the Tea Party? What was it, 3/4's of us overestimated what actually came in? Overestimating desire to give, AND capacity to give."
I believe the math is there. Over 150,000 people have donated to the campaign.If everyone one of those people, gives $100, that equals 15,000,000 dollars. $15 million is a lot closer to the goal, than maybe $3 to $5 million if there is no money bomb. I am passionate but not irrational. I wouldn't put it out there if I thought it couldn't be done. I think if HQ explained stressed the importance of a donation now, and the consequences if the donation total does not go up, people would understand that it is do or die time. I do not think I am overestimating desire to give and capacity to give. If an individual believed in the campaign to donate once(which people typically don't do), I believe they would have the desire to donate again, especially if it means something and the campaign is on the line. The campaign and whoever organizes the bomb could stress that $100 from each supporter is all that is needed. I don't think $100 would break the bank with the majority of people, so the capacity is there.
"Finish 3rd or better in 2 contests in a row... then you'll find another 100,000 donors, then you'll have your $23 million."
I agree that a top three finish in the primaries before Super Tuesday will generate more donors. The problem with that statement is that the Campaign will not have enough time to buy ads and use the money towards Super Tuesday. So that is why I came up with January 20th as the day, giving us enough time to get the moneybomb set up, and enough time before Super Tuesday.
You'll notice
I used CAPS in my post because it's not a theory, it's a rule of fundraising that the most passionate givers always overestimate and project onto the least passionate. I'm sure you're a fine person and it's ok to ignore someone's professional experience because you want to believe something, but why show me you're ignoring my professional experience with a response about your gut feeling on what 150,000 people will do?
-JP
The first 5 million supporters of Dr. Paul are 'early adopters.' The next 10 million will require a modified approach.
I was just suggesting an idea
The point, as I stated before, was to discuss how we are going to raise funds so the campaign can compete on Super Tuesday. I put my idea out there, and hope others would too. Since the Tea Party, there was some discussion but no consensus. The days are going by fast, Super Tuesday getting closer and closer and the money is coming in. The campaign said they need $23 million to compete. I was hoping people would start trying to get something going, get a plan in action. So under your thinking, a money bomb will not work, so why bother. If we can't raise funds, it is over. That is what it sounds like to me. You say I ignore your professional experience. How am I suppose to know if you are have professional experience. Once you state you have profession experience, I am just suppose to shut up, and go away. It is not my gut. I said it is reasonable, if it is stressed that the campaign cannot compete unless they receive donations from all previous supporters who donated. Sorry, I guess you taught me a lesson, we should all lay down and die now. The guy with professional experience said so. I guess we will just wait and see if we get a good finish in the next few states. If we do, the donations will come in to late to help with Super Tuesday. You didn't address that problem with your logic. The logic. Let's wait until a week before the election to have new supporters donate, so that we have money for after Super Tuesday. Wow!! You are a real expert. I am humbled that you taught me such great lessons, o' wise one. What are you doing here, if it is over, like you say it is??
I agree. You have to show
I agree. You have to show some results to get the money coming in. People are not going to continue to contribute without results. Yes some will but not the amount you need to raise money like at the Tea Party. We need 4 Tea Party's to come up with 23 million.
Without a dramatic change in the campaign. I don't see how this happens. I have been disapointed by the campaigns use of the funds. The grassroots have fought for the votes on the ground and on the phone and through the mail. If the campaign had half the enthusiasim that the grassroots did they could start to move up in the polls.
Note to Campaign: We are still waiting to hear from you. The silence is not helping the cause here. The longer you wait the more people you lose!
Not necessarily 4 tea
Not necessarily 4 tea parties, we just need 4 times or more the advertising the tea party moneybomb had. teaparty had great advertising with the larry lepard full page ad in USA Today that reached over a million people. If we advertised enough to reach millions more people with really great pro-rp ads that advertised new fundraising days(I think we should not specifically advertise using the word "moneybomb", maybe we could pull it off.
Please help align the message
RP has to make the economy and spending the main campaign theme
The grassroots need to do the same. Lets all align behind this message.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/24147
Please support this message here.
we need
to give till it hurts.........Mike Huckabee hasnt raised crap since placing 1st and 3rd ....so GIVE , GIVE , GIVE
The Campaign needs to spend
The Campaign needs to spend the money it has and get some results. Then the numbers will come in. We raised 20 million in anticipation of great results. When you finish 5th twice and in one state that you should do a whole lot better and see little enthusiasim from the Campaign it can only hurt fundraising.
I am ready and willing to help by donating funds to the campaign. I will not donate unless the campaign discusseds the recount issue and shows me that they are ready to go on the offensive and win this primary.
Right now I do not see that happening. We need to go after Michigan, SC and FL. If we don't Super Tuesday is not going to matter. I don't buy this crap of we will win on the third ballot at the convention and just having more money at the end than anyone else.
We need to win or do very well in a state. That is a fact.
C'mon guys Obama is raising 1 million a day since Iowa victory
We have raised about $350,000 in last 5 days. donate now and any money bomb that you can afford too!
Obama and his campaign were effective and came in first in
Iowa and 2nd in NH.
Ron Paul supporters were not expecting first in either states, but what they did expect, was a better showing than 5th.
When you run 5th and you don't demand a recount, you get 5th rate donations... that's the bottom line
Lincoln said, “Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.”
Well, the campaign needs to "hustle."
Campaign donation max
reached.... What more can you do? What RP needs now is to kick ass in tonights debate.
If you are maxed on donating
If you are maxed on donating to the official campaign, you might still be able to donate to chip-ins and meetup groups. And the RP blimp as well.
He needs to spend some of
He needs to spend some of that money and win or place well in one of the next few states.
If he does then I believe it will excite the supporters and he will have no problem raising additional funds.
But to raise 20 million in a quarter, not show any signs of spending it, place 5th twice and ask us for another 23 million when the campaign has not spent what it has is ridiculous to me. I am smart enough not to fall for that one.
When I see some results, I will donate. Use the funds we have and get some results.
HOW TO RAISE MONEY
What do you think?
If Dr. Paul put a video on his site and on YouTube explaining with some emotion and enthusiasm his desire that we donate big time on a certain day, I think we would all rally once again.
The problem with all the other money schemes is that they have lost their uniqueness and have become diluted.
Please be aware that a video was posted by the Blimp (Lyman) showing Ron and his enthusiasm for the Ron Paul Blimp. The numbers there have started to move as a result.
Let Ron talk directly to us in video. I'll do whatever I can if he asks with
emotion and enthusiasm.
The text with money requests on the Ron Paul HQ site first by a campaign manager and then by Paul provided little emotion and may have seemed to some to be too big of a goal (23 million more).
Something is disconnected and it needs to reconnect !
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I bring up the infomercial idea, again
It can run late at night, go on and on..put donations site on bottom, and let Dr. Paul just ROLL..with some utube video shots of other candidates and looong RP responses...I really think it may work.