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♠ Time to Concentrate: IDAHO and OREGON State and District Conventions June 21st-23rd

IDAHO:
Thursday 21 June - Saturday 23 June 2012: The Idaho State Republican Convention convenes at the College of Southern Idaho in Twin Falls.

No later than 30 days before the State Convention, each Presidential candidate prepares a list of proposed National Convention delegates. 80% of the the National Convention delegates...

( 80% of 32 = 25.6 which rounds to 26 delegates ) are selected from this list. 20% ( 20% of 32 = 6.4 which rounds to 6 delegates ) are elected by the Nominations Committee. [Rules Article VI Section 7:]... Delegates ... shall be obliged on the first ballot taken at the Republican National Convention to vote for the candidate who nominated them, provided any Delegates selected as representing the "uncommitted" choice shall be free to cast their vote for any candidate whose name has been placed in nomination before the Republican National Convention. In the event of death or withdrawal ... or release of Delegates by a candidate prior to the first ballot ... Delegates committed to such a candidate ... become uncommitted [Rule Article VI Sections 8 & 9]. There is still controversy on the possibility of our delegates being replaced if they vote for Paul if bound to Romney. Looking into running as UNCOMMITTED should be something to seriously consider.

BYLAWS: http://idgop.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Idaho-GOP-Rules-...

CONVENTION LOCATION, RULES, AGENDA, ETC.:
http://idgop.org/state-convention/

UPDATES: from Twitter: @Jason4Idaho @TNdavlin longer form on: http://www.Jason4Idaho.com
CONVENTION NEWS: http://magicvalley.com/news/local/gop-digs-into-party-platfo... (thank you Ralph Hornsby for finding this)
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OREGON:
IMPORTANT: 'newly elected' PCPS HAVE TO BRING THEIR PCP CERTIFICATE, OR THEY WILL NOT BE CREDENTIALED !

Saturday 23 June 2012: District Conventions. Delegates to the 5 District Conventions elect the National Convention Delegates according to the results of the primary. There are 4 ballots in each CD: 1 for each of the 3 Congressional District delegates (total 5 districts × 3 delegates = 15 delegates) and 1 for the statewide At-Large delegates (total 10 delegates). The delegate candidate(s) receiving the most votes will attend the National Convention.

Each person selected as a delegate ... shall sign a pledge that he/she shall vote at the National Convention for the candidate for the President of the United States he/she favors until the candidate is: (1) nominated; (2) receives less than 35% of the votes for nomination at the convention; (3) releases the delegate from the pledge; or (4) until two convention nominating ballots have been taken. Should a delegate ... refuse to cast his/her vote in accordance with this pledge ... the Chairman of the Oregon delegation ... shall report to the convention floor that delegate's vote in accordance with such laws and rules until such time as that delegate is released from his/her pledge. [Oregon Republican Party Bylaws ARTICLE XVII Section B.; State Law (ORS 248.315)] This is more crap from the GOP and evidence that we need to be the majority at Oregon's convention. I can't find anything saying the the punishment is that a Romney allocated delegate voting for Paul can be removed, but I STRONGLY suggest reading as much into your state's laws/bylaws because you can never be prepared enough.

BYLAWS: http://www.oregonrepublicanparty.org/sites/default/files/ORP...

FIND YOUR CONVENTION:
First Congressional District Convention Location:
Shilo Inn Beaverton - 9900 SW Canyon Road, Beaverton, OR 97225
Chairman: Jeff Smith (503) 407-8684
ORP Staff Liaison: Kevin Hoar (503) 595-8881
Registration starts at 7:30am with the meeting starting promptly at 9:00am The meeting is scheduled to concluded by 4:00pm

Second Congressional District Convention Location:
Shilo Inn Bend - 3105 O.B. Riley Road, Bend 97701
Chairman: Tiny Robertson (541) 772-9364
ORP Staff Liaison: Jordan Conger (541) 633-9719
NOT LISTED BUT MOST LIKELY: Registration starts at 7:30am with the meeting starting promptly at 9:00am The meeting is scheduled to concluded by 4:00pm

Third Congressional District Convention Location:
Portland Airport Embassy Suite Hotel - 7900 NE 82nd Ave, Portland, OR 97220
Chairman: Jim Parker (503) 225-9251
ORP Staff Liaison: Andy Scott (503) 869-7612
Registration starts at 7:30am with the meeting starting promptly at 9:00am The meeting is scheduled to concluded by 4:00pm

Fourth Congressional District Convention Location:
Umpqua Community College - 1140 Umpqua College Rd, Roseburg, OR 97470
Chairman: Bob Avery (541) 632-4063
ORP Staff Liaison: Terri Moffett (541) 998-6439
Oregon CD4 uStream here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/oregonGOP will start Saturday around 8:30 AM pacific
NOT LISTED BUT MOST LIKELY: Registration starts at 7:30am with the meeting starting promptly at 9:00am The meeting is scheduled to concluded by 4:00pm

Fifth Congressional District Convention Location:
West Salem High School - 1776 Titan Drive NW, West Salem, OR 97304
Chairman: Jeff Kubler (541) 224-6158
ORP Staff Liaison: Greg Leo (503) 804-6391
Registration starts at 8:00am with the meeting starting promptly at 9:00am The meeting is scheduled to concluded by 4:00pm
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Now is the time for grassroots leaders to both email AND call all the people on their contact list and ask them if they need a ride to the convention. You guys should have all the contact info so it really is on your shoulders.

I'm not in either state so I don't know everything you can do, but NOW is the time to kick into full gear!
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As of yesterday they were looking for a few non-PCPs to volunteer as vote watchers at the convention. It's $10 and you have to register by Thursday. You can find out more info and see who to contact here:

http://www.facebook.com/groups/ronpaul360/384156864965641
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OREGON Meetup info

INVENT THE FUTURE. FREEDOM. SELF-RELIANCE. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
http://www.meetup.com/Standing-Up-for-Freedom-Campaign-for-L...
We are free individuals who want liberty for ourselves, our families, and others in the community who care about personal freedom.

Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/ Fire Congress http://firecongress.meetup.com/11/ & http://www.kickthemallout.com/

http://oregoniansforronpaul.com/index.php?option=com_fron... for discussions, Ron Paul's record, Forums, and ideas for building new self-government systems in America. http://www.cascadepolicy.org is a think tank researching economic issues in Oregon.

Americans for Prosperity http://www.myafpor.org/ are active in Clackamas http://afpclackamas.ning.com/, Washington and Multnomah Counties.

We're delighted you are joining us, Jacques, not Jocks http://condor.eb.com/word/podcast/wd20090830.mp3

Alerts, campaign notices, event scheduling, activities, and membership applications continue at http://ronpaul.meetup.com/118/ . Check daily for events and recent photos.
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Unrelated but important: ♠ Chip-In to the last ditch effort to get Romney's National Delegates from Illinois to consider Ron Paul in Tampa http://www.dailypaul.com/241023/chip-in-to-the-last-ditch-ef...



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Update?

Has the Executive Committee made a decision?

Oregon CD4 video links

Oregon CD4 video links:

Shenanigans:

1. romney campaign pushes slate (where did she go?):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5brLhotmB68&feature=youtu.be

2. attempt to shut down CD4 convention (failed):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgVQfKjmvBs&feature=youtu.be

3. attempt to remove ballots by elections chair (failed):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPBnuvRAjWQ

raw uStream video, 2 channels (internet/4g was horrible, so they are very split up):

oregonGOP: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/oregonGOP
erikbays: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/erikbays

Steven or anyone else from CD4, if you read this please post your video links in a reply to my comment, and PM me too !

More Idaho GOP Convention Updates

I will be posting Part 2 of the Idaho convention soon at the below link:

http://www.jason4idaho.com

State Secretary
Republican Liberty Caucus of Idaho
www.IdahoLibertyCaucus.org
&
National Board Member At-Large
Republican Liberty Caucus
www.RLC.org

not so fast

real life & work are interrupting my posts. sorry. will have full write up details as soon as both life & work decide to give me some spare time.

State Secretary
Republican Liberty Caucus of Idaho
www.IdahoLibertyCaucus.org
&
National Board Member At-Large
Republican Liberty Caucus
www.RLC.org

Idaho Convention - Part 2 - Delegate Report

PART 2
I had some requests to provide updates specifically on the national delegates. Here is how the nominating process was reported to us at the convention floor, and the results.

Summary
The "Too Long ; Didn't Read" version of events is that Romney took 100% of Idaho's delegates and 100% of Idaho's alternates, though we might have been able to negotiate for seats as some of our state's 64 allowed "official guests" which can get promoted to alternates to fill vacant spots (at the discretion of Idaho’s delegation chair).

The Details
Let me preface the rest of this report by saying that the Romney For President campaign chose Idaho as one of only five states for a special partnership whereby the campaign gave the state GOP $5 million USD in exchange for a close partnership with the campaign on the Nov election in the states near that partner state. For Idaho, that means we will be taking that money and in exchange working on the general election races in Montana, Washington, Nevada, Wyoming, Oregon, etc. So our state party received $5 MILLION in exchange for a very exclusive and close working relationship with the Romney campaign.

That should set the tone for the events of the convention. Now for the details.

The Nominating Committee
None of the "Constitution & Liberty " delegates were on the nomination committee. That privilege was reserved for the establishment's executive committee (aka the inner circle), which I believe officially is composed of Regional chairs & State party officers.
(http://idgop.org/about/executive-committee/ the previous executive committee)

The state of Idaho has 32 delegates to the national convention. Of those delegates, they (meaning the nominating committee chair making this report to the convention floor) indicated that Romney was entitled to 80% of those delegates as a result of the caucus vote (either by proportional allocation, or 80% as determined by state party rules, this was not made clear). The Idaho caucus rules said that any winner taking 50% +1 of the county votes (counties weighted by population) would be entitled to 100% of Idaho's delegates.

This means the Romney campaign was able to submit their picks for 26 (25.6 rounding up) delegates and 26 alternates for the state convention.

According to state party rules, the ID GOP Chairman, and the National Committeeman & National Committeewoman are automatically entitled to delegate seats. That left 3 seats for the nominating committee to fill. Since no one except state party insiders (who are all loyal to Idaho Gov. Otter & Romney) sat on this committee, we did not get any nominations to fill the remaining 9 seats (3 delegates and 6 alternates).

In doing this, the state party could say "Romney only got 80% of the delegates to fulfill the national RNC requirement that the delegates be proportional" while at the same time guaranteeing 100% of the delegates for Romney since all the state insiders are Romney supporters (even “our” US Rep. Raul Labrador who won his primary vote against the Idaho GOP establishment’s candidate Vaughn Ward mostly because of the support of all the Ron Paul activists in his congressional district).

So to recap, if you aren't one of 7 Regional chairs that have seats on the state executive committee, or a state wide party official, then you don't get a say in selecting delegates, let alone the ability to nominate a delegate in that nominations committee.

An Alternate Slate
At the late Friday night meeting of the Idaho RLC (http://www.RLC.org) (of which I am the newly minted secretary), we debated extensively on the topic of submitting from the floor an alternate slate of delegates. We compared notes based on our observations at various County re-org meetings (where state convention delegates are chosen), and determined that at best, we had 30% of the votes at the convention on our side. That meant that we could not possibly gain a single delegate at Saturday’s general assembly meeting (since delegates are elected by the general assembly on a full slate basis which requires a 50% +1 margin to win).

We received some great insider information from a long time Idaho State Representative / Senator (hiding the man / woman’s name to protect them). He or she cautioned us to choose our battles wisely since Idaho politics are notoriously vindictive along very established lines especially in this contest because Romney is a Mormon and is receiving overwhelming support from the LDS higher-ups. The LDS church controls most of SouthWest, SouthCentral, and SouthEast Idaho, as well as many state GOP positions.

Given that we did not have a majority (even including the strongly Paul leaning North Idaho) and could not pass a slate, we choose to fight our battles elsewhere (more in later sections of my report).

Nominating a Slate
State party law stipulates that only legislative district delegation chairs or county delegation chairs may submit national convention delegate slates. All of these district & county chairs are to be polled in order (counties first, then Legislative Districts) with a question to either:

1) submit a slate
2) yield to another county / district
3) pass

The nominating committee presented their report to the convention floor, and the Ada Co delegation chair, Dwight Johnson (see [1] below) moved for the adoption of that slate. The Convention Chair didn’t poll the counties or districts, but did ask if there were any other slates. A tense dozen or so seconds later, a lackey moved to close nominations, was seconded, and that carried unanimously.

So that is the state of Idaho’s delegates for Tampa. 100% Romney for both delegates and alternates.

[1] Ada county (state capital and most populous county in Idaho) is always polled first on every question set to the convention floor. The Ada County Central committee chairman (and chairman of the Ada Co. Delegation) is Dwight Johnson, who though not at all a liberty leaning GOP member, has always been very fair to our faction (now officially a RNC Caucus).

State Secretary
Republican Liberty Caucus of Idaho
www.IdahoLibertyCaucus.org
&
National Board Member At-Large
Republican Liberty Caucus
www.RLC.org

Idaho Convention - Preliminary Report

I have a lot of crazy stories of political maneuvering. The main event from the convention is that rural Idaho's Mormon population + all the liberty minded urban voters (aka Ron Paul supporters) were able to fight off a challenge by urban Idaho's Mormon population + the party establishment for the state party chair position.

There were 3 main portions of the convention:

Sub-Committees
General Assembly Meetings
Political wrangling behind the scenes leading up to the convention.

I'll break these up in different posts so that I can get these articles posted as soon as possible.

The take away events from the convention were:

#1 - Formation of a new Idaho chapter of the Republican Liberty Caucus, an umbrella caucus for those Republican's not firmly in the back pocket of the party establishment and concerned with matters of civil rights, liberty, transparency, and the US Constitution (code words used to identify out us as "Ron Paul" types). I am the secretary for this newly chartered chapter of this national caucus.

#2 - Vandersloot's East Idaho Mormons + party establishment lose their race for the state party chair to rural Idaho's Mormons + North & West Idaho + Liberty caucus members.

#3 - Credentials sub-committee ignores Idaho State Law and Idaho GOP party rules and toss out a complaint lodged against an illegally conducted Re-Org meeting in Benewah County. State wide factions identified and we clearly are not in a majority....yet. We control about 25-35% of the delegates. And Growing! That is fantastic progress over the past 10 years.

Except for all that time I spent wearing a 3 piece suit, it was pretty fun.

More to follow.

Cross-posted for verification:
http://www.jason4idaho.com/home/

State Secretary
Republican Liberty Caucus of Idaho
www.IdahoLibertyCaucus.org
&
National Board Member At-Large
Republican Liberty Caucus
www.RLC.org

Thank you, for walking the walk...

....and sharing the talk.

I second that!

Thank you, jason4idaho!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Thread with a video of Oregon Convention

premature shut down:

http://www.dailypaul.com/241821/oregon-convention-shut-down-...

Ron Paul ... forever.

And Another Video...

There was mention on this thread yesterday...

... of the proceedings at the "do-over" CD-13 Convention in Georgia, and how one of our delegates was arrested:

http://www.dailypaul.com/241044/time-to-concentrate-on-whats...

Does anyone know anything further about the arrested delegate and the Convention outcome? Thank you!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

this is all we had about the delegate arrested in Georgia CD13

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?381571-Ron-Paul-...

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

Idaho State Convention: Idaho Republican Party Platform

While it is not entirely clear, the three linked news reports, when taken together, give the impression that the approved Idaho GOP Platform includes planks supporting sound money, adoption, and a repeal of the 17th Amendment. Each report covers a different day in the State Convention proceedings...

Thursday:

Still, Thursday’s discussion provided debate on hot topics, including eliminating support for “sound currency,” which supports backing up all U.S. currency with gold or silver. After a long debate, the committee voted to keep the plank.

http://magicvalley.com/news/local/gop-digs-into-party-platfo...

Friday:

Among the proposed platform discussions:

• Putting a greater emphasis on adoption in the plank on the party’s opposition to abortion. “Our feeling was ... that the best argument against abortion is the argument for adoption,” said delegate Brad Christensen.

• Keeping the sound money plank, which supports backing up U.S. currency with gold or silver, and support for the repeal of the 17th Amendment, which allows citizens to elect their U.S. senators instead of leaving the decision to the state senate.

http://magicvalley.com/news/local/policy-meetings-rallying-c...

Saturday:

There were no major changes to the party’s platform, but the Platform Committee did streamline some of the planks and cut out repetitions.

http://magicvalley.com/news/local/gop-convention-ends-with-f...

Thank you, Idaho Liberty delegates and alternates, for these Platform gains! Onward and upward!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Maintain the platform against Romney attacks

The basic summary of the platform committee activities can be thought of as a successful defense of the platform adopted in 2010 against Romney party attacks.

The one blemish on the platform is the inexplicable inclusion of a plank pushing for the election of state senators on a 1 per county basis, vs by population.

This is an Apportionment argument that was settled by the US Supreme court which ruled that all representation in state legislatures needs to be by population and not by political sub-division (aka county, parish).

In the 1960s several western states changed their state senate representation process as a result of this US Supreme court ruling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_v._Carr

This gave rise to the famous "1 person 1 vote" standard.

This led the small counties to consider the process a disenfranchisement of their rights. When what really happened was bit population centers like Seattle, LA, San Francisco, Salt Lake City, Boise, Spokane, etc were tired of small rural counties having artificially increased influence in the state Senate as a result of non-apportioned representation.

So the Idaho GOP plank referred to this plank as "county suffrage" and it survived the committee AND an attempt to divide the question and strip that plank from the platform at the general assembly on Saturday. Many delegates voted against dividing the question simply because they couldn't be bothered to listen to debate at the general session and "just wanted to go home" (I witnessed conversation to this effect from delegates in my county).

But this is also an Urban vs Rural issue. The plank is supported by virtually all counties except Ada & Canyon Counties (the major population centers in Idaho).

State Secretary
Republican Liberty Caucus of Idaho
www.IdahoLibertyCaucus.org
&
National Board Member At-Large
Republican Liberty Caucus
www.RLC.org

NOTE

Note: I did not sit in on the platform committee. I was instead sitting in on the state executive committee at that time on Thursday. On Friday morning, I was in the Credentials committee, and did not see the conclusion of the sub-committees of the platform committee.

State Secretary
Republican Liberty Caucus of Idaho
www.IdahoLibertyCaucus.org
&
National Board Member At-Large
Republican Liberty Caucus
www.RLC.org

Oregon Republican Party Notified of Vacancy in Office of State R

Since we are on the Oregon subject: Patriots! go and grab the seat!
http://www.oregonrepublicanparty.org/node/3492

''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
OFFICIAL ORP NEWS RELEASE
Friday June 22, 2012 – 06:00 AM PDT

Oregon Republican Party Notified of Vacancy
in Office of State Representative, District 26
Process for Filling Vacancy Announced

Lake Oswego, OR – Oregon Republican Party Chairman Allen Alley announced today that notification of a vacancy has been received from the Oregon Secretary of State Elections Division for House District 26, a seat held by Representative Matt Wingard, and has set in place the process to fill this nomination through means determined by Oregon law and Oregon Republican Party Rules.(...)"

Ron Paul ... forever.

Please pay attention, Oregon patriots!

This is important!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

bump DP thread about Oregon district 26 vacancy

http://www.dailypaul.com/241786/ronpaul-activists-news-relea...

It is important!

Ron Paul ... forever.

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Oregon District 26

Bump

here is Multnomah County site and rules say it closes at 6pm

http://multnomahgop.com/node/1212

Oregon Republican Party Congressional District Convention Rules 2012
"Location:
TBA
Time:
Sat, 06/23/2012 - 8:00am - 6:00pm

Oregon Republican Party
Oregon Republican Party Congressional District Convention Rules 2012

1. PURPOSE
1.1. The only business of the Conventions shall be the selection/election of Oregon delegates to the Republican National Convention and the election of officers of the Congressional Districts. No issues or other matters shall be formally considered.
1.2. The District Chair may, as the agenda allows, utilize the vote tally time in such manner as he/she may deem to be productive and in the interest of the Republican Party...."

Ron Paul ... forever.

Rules say nothing about the TIME COORDINATION !!!!

THEY SAY: "Within each Congressional District, vote for..."

"(...)7. CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT BALLOTING - There will be four ballots (or more, in the event of a tie as per 6.2) for Delegates and Alternate Delegates in each Congressional District.
7.1. The selection of Delegates, Delegates at Large and their Alternates shall be by written ballot(s) which will be prepared by the Oregon Republican Party office after the close of filing as per 5.2 above.
7.1.1. First Ballot: Vote for up to 10 candidates for At-Large Delegates. Those elected shall have their names removed from further balloting.
7.1.2. Second Ballot: Within each Congressional District, vote for up to 3 candidates for Congressional District Delegate. Those elected will have their names removed from further balloting
7.1.3. Third Ballot: Vote for up to 10 candidates for At-Large Alternate Delegate. Those elected will have their name removed from future balloting.
7.1.4. Fourth Ballot: Within each Congressional District, vote for up to 3 candidates for Congressional District Alternate Delegate.
7.2. At the close of each ballot, all unused ballots for that election shall be destroyed. The ballots and tally sheets used in the election shall be sealed in an envelope and signed by the Chairman of the Tellers committee.
7.3. At the time of adjournment, all ballot envelopes shall be placed in a box provided by the Oregon Republican Party, sealed and signed by both the outgoing and newly elected district chairman and delivered by the newly elected chairman to the Oregon Republican Party Chairman within seven (7) days.9...)"

Ron Paul ... forever.

Oregon Delegate Convention & Romney Camp's Dirty Tricks

Originally posted here with photos:
https://plus.google.com/115702843161763309837/posts/She7pbK8Lya

Now beginning copy paste:

So of the 13 delegates, we were able to get 11 of our slate elected in the first two ballots. We also got 2 out of the three electors and the treasurer position. Then the nastiness started.

So two more ballots were not done. This is because to move forward to each ballot, the previous ballot must be completed by all of the other districts in the state. The next ballots were for alternate delegates - which some people running as delegates would be running for if they didn't get in as a regular delegate. Since the next ballots were contingent on the results from the other districts we were forced to wait, and wait, and wait.

Keep in mind we were the second largest district in the state, and we finished hours beforehand for the first ballots and dutifully passed on our results to the other districts. When the Romney camp discovered that we were mopping up the floor with them, they realized they had to shut this thing down.

They stalled the voting process in their district until 5pm, when the rules stated that the meeting had to be adjourned, and did so in their district. According to the rules we were not able to continue, and so were unable to vote for any of the alternate delegates (of which I was one ). We adjourned shortly afterwards. Two other districts were able to extend their time as well, but in the end they shut down as well (being the ballots could not be voted on without the results from the rogue district).

So from here it seems that the Republican Central Committee will be the one selecting the alternate delegates. I am none-to-hopeful about them selecting myself or anyone else on the Ron Paul slate as alternates.

In the end, we took most of the seats that mattered (the main delegates). As long as they don't find a way to take those from us, I will consider it a win.

Best of luck to the remaining states, and be ever vigilant. Opponents to liberty play dirty.

show me the 5pm rule. i was

show me the 5pm rule. i was told it was in the 2012 convention rules which i believe is not true

there IS no 5pm rule

as a delegate to CD 4 the only thing about 5 pm was that we supposedly only had the building till then, at which point they would 'turn the lights off on us" there was no rule specifically stating that if we did not finish by the 5pm 'deadline' that there would be no voting.

by about 230-3 when we had not even STARTED on voting for alternates a lot of us realized there was no way we would be done by 5pm. the party was trying to run out the clock our "working lunch" which was supposed to be about 20 or so minutes to allow everyone a chance to get through the lunch line ended up being about an hour and a half where no business was conducted.

they told us that we were still waiting on the results from the other districts, which from what i have heard is what they told ALL the districts. they had the results, they knew we had swept the at large and were sitting on the results. we cast our ballots for at large alternates at about 615 or so, they didnt finish counting them till about 745

there IS no 5pm rule

as a delegate to CD 4 the only thing about 5 pm was that we supposedly only had the building till then, at which point they would 'turn the lights off on us" there was no rule specifically stating that if we did not finish by the 5pm 'deadline' that there would be no voting.

by about 230-3 when we had not even STARTED on voting for alternates a lot of us realized there was no way we would be done by 5pm. the party was trying to run out the clock our "working lunch" which was supposed to be about 20 or so minutes to allow everyone a chance to get through the lunch line ended up being about an hour and a half where no business was conducted.

they told us that we were still waiting on the results from the other districts, which from what i have heard is what they told ALL the districts. they had the results, they knew we had swept the at large and were sitting on the results. we cast our ballots for at large alternates at about 615 or so, they didnt finish counting them till about 745

Not sure about the 5pm rule

but the convention was set to end at 5pm. To continue, all conventions would have had to vote to extend. Without that, how would you get the votes for the other districts.

The bylaws should be changed so that if a district adjourns, everyone can continue on, and treat it as though no one voted in that district. Let the bad apples fall off the tree.

I might run for county chair to try to get this put in.

I'm going to run for county

I'm going to run for county chair or any other position, just to throw one of the crooks out of office. A county chairman speaking out against the corrupt state party leadership will have more influence and attention than a disenfranchised PCP.

The convention cannot be properly concluded without completing the business, electing delegates and alternates.

Lets us know how we can help

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What Would the Romney's People Forum Headline Be Today???

Is there ANY kind of Romney blog like this one or Forum where their people are discussing how they think they did at the convention?

I would be happy to hear their side of the story and how things all went down to compare perhaps with live video that Ron Paul's people may have had.

Would their headline be "We were about to lose then we read the rules and made the Ron Paul people follow it by shutting everything down at 5pm sharp, they broke the rules so we were able to get our Romney guy in to take the delegates from them".

or

"I love Romney but after seeing how wrong and corrupt our own people can be just to steal a few delegates is despicable, these are not enemies they are Americans like us so they out numbered us so by rules they should have their say".

Any thoughts?