Will you be the Establishments Accomplice? Because Fear, Paranoia and Suspicion Are Destroying The Ron Paul Movement
Submitted by Revolution News... on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:47EDITORIAL, by Revolution News Network on Facebook
Is it possible Psyops is now at full throttle against the liberty movement? You think those fanning the flames of paranoia and fear in our ranks are being deliberate, doing it out of ignorance, or not even aware of it ? Think hard. Were they waiting for the perfect opportunity? Or did they craft it? Or somewhere in between? Who would see a bloody splinter or a wedge lodged in the heart of this movement and jump up and down on it to make us hate Ron Paul? to hate Rand Paul? And to even hate each other? Who would tell stories to smear them both as sell outs to the establishment? Who would be in a position to do this with impunity? Who would plant ideas to anger us and incite us? Or discourage us to apathy? To cloud our judgement? To foolishly lose ground everywhere we have gained it? Why, the establishment of course. We tear each other to pieces and they get to win - again. Will you be their accomplice? Will you be the unwitting, emotional patsy in a "divide and conquer" strategy? Or will you heal the wounds? Will you prove that you cannot be manipulated or controlled with fear?
Cui Bono?(Who benefits?)from having Ron Paul supporters think in terms of hating or mistrusting the Pauls? Who benefits from angering and frightening us into abandoning them to support a another third party candidate? Or to desert their strategy within the Republican Party?



















Rand is a Solved Problem
Everyones tired of arguing it. The liberty movement is a big tent movement and Rand is welcome in the tent. Some people think Rand might someday be a great leader some people less so.
Think everyone has different...
...opinions on some people and some issues. From my point of view, it would be better to focus on the issues that brought everyone together...liberty. Everyone sees the same issues from different angles and just about everyone has some truth in how they see it. Great minds think alike and all of us have more in common than not. And believe it or not, we are always "on display". Think of the liberty movement holding all offices...we don't want to be in gridlock!
Love/friendship of Romney is destroying things
as well as from internal sources, like those named by many recently from olson to tate to hunter.
jj
It's like male impotence...
...the longer you dwell on it the harder it is to get it up.
Anyway, these are all growing pains. This is no longer the Ron Paul movement. This is THE LIBERTY MOVEMENT. We need to stop focusing on the figureheads and concentrate on the philosophy. The 'movement' will be just fine so long as we stick to the ideas and principles, and convince family, friends, and neighbors by the example of our actions and how we choose to live.
Rand's status is the wedge so just stop talking about him
Those that are blind will keep trying to shove Rand on the rest of us and think somehow we will unite behind him. Not happening unless he becomes more like Ron. Just stop bringing him up as a potential next pres candidate.
Ron has made clear he will not suppprt Romney.
I have not seen any Ron bashing.
How we're REACTING to the problem is the issue...
So tell us, are you withdrawing supporting Rand's Senate bill to Audit the Federal Reserve? Because without it the House Bill that has very high bipartisan support and is coming up for a vote in July will not find it's "mate" in the Senate so that it has a chance to become law. The Senate bill needs more co-sponsors. Ya gonna help him? He needs all of us to make phone calls or send emails to the other Senators urging them to support Rand and his Senate version of the Bill? That's just ONE Senate bill or amendment that Rand has in the hopper in the Senate to protect us? Check your gut everyone - you gonna still pick up the phone to help him with those BILLS?
LIKELY TO PASS NEXT MONTH IN THE HOUSE
H.R. 459: Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2011
Sponsor: Congressman Ron Paul [R-TX14]
Introduced: Jan 26, 2011
245 Co-Sponsors
IN DANGER OF NOT PASSING IN THE SENATE BECAUSE OF THE WHINING
S. 202: Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2011
Sponsor: Sen. Rand Paul [R-KY]
Introduced: Jan 26, 2011
Referred to Committee: Jan 26, 2011
He has 20 Co-Sponsors (there 100 Senators)
Sen. Jim DeMint [R-SC]
Sen. David Vitter [R-LA]
Sen. Mike Lee [R-UT] (joined Mar 01, 2011)
Sen. John Boozman [R-AR] (joined May 24, 2011)
Sen. Orrin Hatch [R-UT] (joined May 24, 2011)
Sen. Dean Heller [R-NV] (joined Jun 22, 2011)
Sen. Saxby Chambliss [R-GA] (joined Jul 25, 2011)
Sen. Michael Crapo [R-ID] (joined Sep 06, 2011)
Sen. John Barrasso [R-WY] (joined Oct 06, 2011)
Sen. Roy Blunt [R-MO] (joined Oct 06, 2011)
Sen. Richard Burr [R-NC] (joined Oct 06, 2011)
Sen. Thomas Coburn [R-OK] (joined Oct 06, 2011)
Sen. James “Jim” Inhofe [R-OK] (joined Oct 06, 2011)
Sen. James Risch [R-ID] (joined Oct 06, 2011)
Sen. Marco Rubio [R-FL] (joined Oct 06, 2011)
Sen. John Thune [R-SD] (joined Oct 06, 2011)
Sen. Roger Wicker [R-MS] (joined Oct 06, 2011)
Sen. Charles “Chuck” Grassley [R-IA] (joined Oct 31, 2011)
Sen. John McCain [R-AZ] (joined Oct 31, 2011)
Sen. John Cornyn [R-TX] (joined Mar 28, 2012)
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Rand is often an ally. It is
Rand is often an ally. It is good to support his efforts where they coincide with liberty and the constitution, just as any other such effort might earn support.
Just don't think that means I trust him or consider him any sort of spokesman for the movement coalescing around his father.
In Denial
Though some see what's been done and being done to divide and conquer the liberty movement, others it seems are stuck in denial. How could WE have possibly been taken advantage of and played for fools? It's happened to every movement that's attempted to change the status quo. We know the historical record. Because of this, RNN would rather give you a swift kick in the pants to wake you up, rather than remain silent. So long as we have a boot, and the ability to swing our foot, we ain't gonna let them derail this movement no matter how dense or stupid some of you are. You can take that to the bank.
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Rand is so Last Week
2nd thread on this forum right now talking of dissension and Rand bashing, yet no threads attacking Rand Paul or dissension.
So, if you want to solve this 'problem' you are perceiving, simply edit the title of your post to '...', and we can all get back to work.
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Last Week?
We posted this in response to Ron bashing. Rand bashing is how the Ron bashing began.
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What Ron Paul did:
Ron Paul gave the American People a living testimony to his philosophy that is actually the quintessential American philosophy the nation had lost. He has crystallised the thinking of millions of Americans around these ideas:
1. Constitutional limited Government. First at the Federal level then with the People's efforts at every State level to bring the power granted to the People by the Constitution back to the People. The Constitution enumerates the powers granted to the Federal Government and reserves all other powers to the States or the People. The proper exercise of these powers would remove the overpowering oppression of Federal regulation and transfer all responsibility for any welfare programmes back to the States and the People in their individual lives.
2. Constitutional sound money and true free markets. This means inevitably the end of the Federal Reserve System which creates counterfeit money that enriches the few at the expense of the many. His thinking on these subjects has been inspired by Austrian economic theory written by Carl Menge, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek and Murray Rothbard. He himself has written books on the subject and helped to establish an educated core of libertarian economists without which any return to sane economic policies would be impossible.
3. Constitutional War Powers. He has faithfully opposed the growth of the military industrial complex throughout his public life and has drawn attention to the link between perpetual war and the issuance of counterfeit currency to prosecute the wars. He endorses the authority of the Congress and only the Congress to declare war and opposes the transfer of this authority from the Congress and by definition the People to the Executive branch that is leading now to dictatorial power and submission to international authorities.
4. Constitutional civil liberties. He has warned consistently of the danger of loss of individual rights and civil liberties guaranteed under the Bill of Rights by the growth of the security state occasioned by the foreign policy of perpetual war.
By focusing attention on these ideas and applying the Constitutional test to every piece of legislation he has demonstrated to the American People how a free country can be restored with the engagement of the People.
Dr Paul has written books, has recorded speeches in Congress on the public record and has authored legislation dealing with all these ideas throughout his public life. This is his legacy to the American People so far. This has been his deliberate intention since he first entered Congress in April, 1976.
These are the ideas that can and will sustain the continuing efforts of the People to restore the American Republic. These cannot be destroyed by shifting political allegiances and the ephemeral brouhaha of political campaigns. When the People bring their focus back to these central ideas on which everyone can agree and determine that Ron Paul should be elected as the Republican nominee and as President in 2012 in order to implement these ideas with the support of the American People then all this inconsequential, emotional political blather will fade into the past and the future of the Republic will once again become the subject of conversation and planning.
"The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed." (John 8:35-36)
This movement is unlike any other I have seen
Or been a part of in the last 30 years of looking for Liberty in the United States. We have been through a multitude of ideals that have tried to divide us like the non truthers fighting the truthers, the non birthers fighting the birthers, all the while one group wanting to silence the other for fear it would be used against the campaign. There are too many things over the last 5 years that were certainly designed to separate, split, or fracture this movement, but yet we are still here and growing. Not much unlike our unwavering ideals such that we cannot be bought, bribed, or swayed, this idea as Dr. Paul says is an idea whose time has come. Does Rand Paul endorsing Romney make any supporter long for freedom any less? Does Dr. Paul sending an email of defeat cause mass exodus from the Liberty movement in a run around to the neo conservatives? The simple answer is no, and for those new to the movement I truly understand the concerns, but I have seen too many tactics used over the years to divide a people whose ideas were the right ones, and they never win, nor do they ever accomplish their goals of division. This movement whether you call it the Ron Paul movement or the Liberty movement is not going away any time soon, and the more time passes the more the masses are awakening to the reality that their once representative government is now nothing more than a group bought off by special interests that care not about the American family in the least, and Obama declaring that the private sector was doing just fine does nothing more than reinforce that belief that government is out of the loop of reality outside their elitist circles.
When the sleeping giant awakens then those in power who have sold not only their souls to corporate interests, but sold out their nation and fellow countrymen will garner no pity from me. This is not 1812, and We the People are more educated today then the powers that be would have ever wanted us to be judging by the k-12 curriculum now taught, or US history light; as I like to call it. The more they push the more resistance they will encounter, the more authoritarian they become the more resistance they will receive, the more lies they tell, the faster they will be outed as frauds, and Liberty and the movement will march on.
Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....
Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an
OR Rand Paul made the choice to go
on a neo-con, scumbags national TV show and endorse a neo-con, chickenhawk, for President, WHILE his father was still running and spreading the Liberty message. Yeah, endorsing Romney really sent a great message to the Independents and young people that are repulsed by the current, corrupt, GOP. This group just cheated and beat down Ron Paul and his supporters for the nomination and Ron's son goes on Hannity and endorses Romney? Now you want to blame supporters for "destroying" the movement. Rand lit the fuse, obviously. He didn't have to endorse ANYONE. He chose to go on Hannity. Period. He leads nothing. He now carries Romney's water. This is pathetic.
OR.......
you are a worthless trolling imbecile, which is why you are here as a few-hour troll, posting hate and division.
wow, more personal attacks.
Are you a mod, BigT? How are these attacks against members allowed?
CHOOSE
So will you heal the wound, or jump up and down on the bloody wedge? CHOOSE.
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Oh, I've moved on. Rand
is a little petulant boy and he leads nothing.
CHOSE
Bloody wedge it is then.
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Rand drove the wedge and
now lots of us have moved beyond him. He leads nothing but fools.
LOOK DOWN
As your feet on standing on that wedge. Nice job there sport.
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Does everyone see how silly this is?
Rand blows us out of the water and backs a Wall Street loving, neo-con slug, and the patriots that have turned their backs on poor Rand and will continue the Liberty Movement without Judas are the problem. How silly indeed.
Perhaps Though It WAS An Idea
...whose time had come, the people could not recognize it as such and therefore unwittingly destroyed it internally even as outsiders took over planting division while diluting and confusing the message.
Of course, *other agendas* are making inroads and we seem to be easy prey, at least on the DP. (There are others stronger elsewhere, I hope.)
For those who would hijack this movement which represents or represented enormous "political capital" ... I call it Vulture Political Capitalism and it is not a pretty sight. (You know, drive the perceived value down...and then buy it cheap and capitalize on it. Sort of a Bain Capital political campaign maneuver.)
I am only sure of one thing: Go Delegates and Those Taking Political Office...you are now the remnant along with whatever is left of Dr. Paul's legacy after the vultures get through with it. Future generations will talk about...you are our hope..
fonta
Jack Hunter is even divided against Jack Hunter
Jack Hunter said "If Mitt Romney becomes the Republican's presidential nominee in 2012, then conservatives will need to find a new party."
So Jack, I'm assuming that after Rand endorses and campaigns for Mitt, he will then have to leave the party after? See how confused people are right now.
And his video about "Why Rand was right to endorse Romney" is on the front page for days after the Rand endorsement. This Rand endorsement even has Jack Hunter divided from Jack Hunter. OR MAYBE>>> Jack and some have compromised their beliefs since the Rand endorsement, and it is actually the Rand endorsement that is dividing us because many of us just cannot accept that Rand went to the other side and are going with him and don't even realize it, just like Jack Hunter who doesn't realize that according to Jack Hunter Rand will have to find a new party after attempting to politic to get the Vice Presidency. LOL.
Yes the Rand endorsement is the cause of the division. And we need to be honest with ourselves and stand for honesty and integrity, rather than secrecy and covert infiltration.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
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NEWS FLASH
The establishment is choosing the latter and it seems to be working.
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Why do so many people...
demand so much from Rand Paul, and Ron Paul!?, seriously get off their case, if you expect so much from 2 men to change the world then your stupid. I could care less if Rand endorsed Romney, we have no idea why he did even efter 10000 articles explaining why,
and I am in it to watch Ron Paul win this Nomination. So if you can't take action for this, chances are you haven't taken action too much in your life to make a difference for yourself, if you want change, be that change!
We do expect too much
thus our disappointment. We all want Superman, I guess.
Speaking of paranoia - that is what your post reads like...
Just because there are trolls and plants on this board should not stop us from airing our feelings and thoughts and working them through.
Evil is like a shadow - it has no real substance of its own, it is simply a lack of light. You cannot cause a shadow to disappear by trying to fight it, stamp on it, by railing against it, or any other form of emotional or physical resistance. In order to cause a shadow to disappear, you must shine light on it.
Shakti Gawain
We - the true Liberty supporters - are the shining lights.
AND SO,
How did this "shadow" find a place to plant it's wedge? Was there some vulnerability that was exploited? And why was it jumped on repeatedly to drive it in deeper?
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Don't know. Don't know. Don't know. And it doesn't
matter. This is an open forum and anyone can post here. That is the good news and the bad news. And that is the way it should be. Better out in the open than hiding under a rock.
Scary
What in the world is going on here? This type of article is what is spawning the paranoia. I don't know where you are or who you associate with, but I can tell you that the Ron Paul movement is alive and well and I am in Georgia, which is not the hotbed of Liberty. We are getting ready to go do battle tonight for the last remaining delegates in GA. Are you saying that we should just line up and follow whatever we are told and not question the things we think are wrong? Then you might as well join the GOP in Georgia. They love your kind. They will even provide a paddle with red on one side and green on the other so they can tell you how to vote.