Alex Jones is wrong about vote fraud!
I'm listening to AJ right now and he's passing off the non-fact that Ron Paul got 15% in the hand count vote. This "fact" comes from ronpaulwarroom.com and dailypaul.com which is completely unsubstantiated for two reasons.
(1) No sources
(2) All this person did was add up percentages. You can't add percentages to come up with a percentage!!!! For example, let's say you get 99 out of 100 (99%) votes in one area and 1 out of 2 (50%) votes in another. According to the genius at ronpaulwarroom.com your average will be 74.5%. However, your real average is of course 98%.
If you look at this link that Alex Jones is going off of, you will see no raw numbers which is required to see the real %. http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=749
Furthermore, Alex Jones has linked to the site http://ronrox.com/paulstats.php?party=REPUBLICANS which gives an analysis of the hand vs. machine voting which contradicts his own assertion that Ron Paul got 15%.
He has also used this site to call attention to the fact that the difference in hand vs. machine was 2% lower for the machines, and use this as more reason to believe there was fraud. Of course, John Mccain and Mike Huckabee had an even greater handicap coming from the machine voting. Besides, is a 2% even big enough to call foul, statistically speaking? Probably not.
How come no one questions the HAND COUNT precincts??
Were the ballots all counted in front of the public? Could each voter verify that his ballot was correct, and not printed out in some kind of binary code or something similar? Were the ballots dropped into a opaque box that could easily have had hundreds of fake ballots already in it? Was a rep from each candidate there to witness the count? Did every ballot remain in public view at ALL TIMES? Unless the answer to all these questions is yes, then even the HAND counted ballots are highly suspicious.
I take my marching orders from the Constitution!
I take my marching orders from the Constitution!
I am becoming desperate ...
it's amazing how easy people get on fire here and don't check the facts anymore.
They read some biased misinformation somewhere and before they even think or double-check they start an avalanche of posts and outrage, that's barely to stop.
And at the end we're losing credibility and harming the campaign more than we help.
There are definitely too many 'accidents' going on with the vote count to trust it blindly, that doesn't necessarily mean i believe every rubbish that gets thrown out there.
Get a grip and do your own bit of research, it doesn't cost much time.
I agree with trianglechokes first part.... these mentioned 15% are simply not correct and it's mathematically wrong, especially if the original poster just picks the best 30 of 125 precincts.
you can't blame FOX for being biased when you do the same thing.
and saying that Ron Paul was in no precinct under 10% in the hand counted areas, is simply not correct if you look at the stats.
This all doesn't mean there's no fraud going on... too many irregularities making the whole thing suspicious. But I just wouldn't throw everything in one pot.
The discrepancies of machine counts and hand counts are concerning, the unreported votes in Sutton and Greenville are concerning and I think this is enough to dig deeper.
But these are real facts, and not just made up because somebody is in strong favor of our Doc and likes to put a bit wood into the fire.
We have to separate the wheat from the chaff, otherwise anybody could come here and spread some misinformation and we would fall for it.
And that's just a waste of time and energy and we need that to focus on the right things.
Thanks for reading, now get outta there and get them!
Look at how well RP did in
Look at how well RP did in the Straw Polls, its nearly all first place! How does this translate to the actual elections?
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/
Not scientific
Straw polls are not reliable. Paul supporters love to look for and answer polls in order to raise his name recognition. All the straw polls measure is which candidate has the supporters that most like to search for and travel to straw polls. That's why they and internet polls don't translate into anywhere near the same voting percentages. Scientific polls don't use this method. The bring the poll to the person. When the poll is one where you have to go searching for it, then you're not measuring people who are not interested in doing this. Those people, which is most people, get left out of the polling. Professional pollsters know this. Scientific polls are called scientific for a reason.
Nearly everyone that goes to straw polls will go to the voting booth, but most people who go to the voting booth do not go to straw polls, or answer internet polls, or text message polls. So they're not being surveyed. That's the problem.
The Elites
You must be here from the MSM to deceive us, or possibly a plant who is part of a secret plot to make us fight against each other. It's called Divide in Concord. Everything is controlled by The Elites. There is a group of 5 guys sitting around a table in a secret location that has direct control of all the MSM in the U.S., all the scientific polls, and all the voting machines. The Elites. And you're obviously working for them.
Wow
You poor soul.
The only major difference I see between hand
counted votes and diebold votes is that Romney averages go WAY up when counted by a machine. Ron Paul's votes did not change much from county to county, some counties he scored higher in diebold voting area than in hand counted areas. If there is a Conspiracy, I would have to lean towards fabricated votes for Romney more than anything else.
"It does not take a majority to prevail. But rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." ~Samuel Adams while plotting the Boston Tea Party.
http://disillusionedrants.blogspot.com/
Also
I think "lost votes" are more accidental. Any vote fraud would be easier to catch if votes for a certain candidate were removed. It is must easier to get away with adding votes and then talking about "record turnout". In my opinion, I think the vote fraud that is rampant in this nation is that of creating votes that never existed and winning an election that way.
"It does not take a majority to prevail. But rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." ~Samuel Adams while plotting the Boston Tea Party.
http://disillusionedrants.blogspot.com/
Oh and I also believe that there was more fraud going on in the
Democratic race. It's funny to me how the polls have all been almost perfect in calling the winners thus far. EXCEPT the 11 point lead Obama supposedly had over Clinton heading into this NH primary. Perhaps diebold added enough votes for Clinton to carry a victory in order to ensure her nomination and future presidency.
"It does not take a majority to prevail. But rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." ~Samuel Adams while plotting the Boston Tea Party.
http://disillusionedrants.blogspot.com/
Trianglechoke
any vote miscounted is voter fraud, I like others on here want to stop this from ever happening again, maybe not New Hampshire since it looks like Ron Paul is not going to do it, but if it shows up again in Michigan then we all should demand that a recount is taken.
I have stated on here several times that if the votes are counted correctly Ron Paul will win and I still stick by what I said.
"Freedom is a right that can never be won in war,only by each individual "
Yes
The intention of my post was not to say that there is no vote fraud, just that Alex Jones was basing his assertions on false information.
Either way...
Either way, there was Fraud that took place. Or lots of human error. The difference could mean 4th place versus 5th for Paul.
And for Obama, 1st versus 2nd.
On second thought - Alex Jones is
an impediment to freedom.
By going Apeshit over something without all the evidence, he makes it more difficult for people to speak out about fraud. Now anyone who might raise a fair question about vote accuracy gets labelled as a conspiracy nut. So the personal risk someone must take to show errors or fraud is much higher than it would otherwise be. It would be much better to quietly check the results, without accusations, or bullying.
I suppose some of you would rather waterboard the poll worker until she confessed that Rudy made her do it.
Thanks Alex, for all your help . . . not
I'd rather waterboard...
despicable morons like you. I like watching them choke! HaHaHa!!
That's right just attack
That's right just attack Alex. He has done a lot for the Ron Paul campaign.
But if you don't need his or his listeners help then good luck with the 23 million.
He causes at least as many
He causes at least as many problems as he does solve any.
Whether he is for real or not doesn't discount the fact that he is a divider and is counter-productive. Sad, but true. Look at this thread if you need evidence. Ron Paul supporters should be united..
I'm surprised conspiracy theorists have totally ignored the fact that if an Alex Jones didn't exist, he'd be created. For reasons evident here and elsewhere.
With his personality he reaffirms those who don't believe to continue not believing. And those who do believe, and follow him, are associated poorly.
People need to wake up and look at things objectively. I used to respect him, but now I'm starting to wonder what he's really all about.
AJ may be a megaphone mouth, but his heart is in the right place
It's not all about the "stolen" votes that leaves everyone wondering how many more may have been syphoned off. The real issue here, is about correcting a rogue election process, which will ultimately "untie" the hands of liberty. Everything Dr. Paul has been preaching about, LIBERTY!
So this should be no exception for him to speak out about one of the most VITAL rights as Americans to be able to conduct fair, TRANSPARENT elections.
And just remember before you cast that first stone, if we were all clones of one another in this fight for freedom, then this would be one dreadfully BORING r3VOLution!
A Blow Against Democracy!
No matter what, this needs to be exposed, It's not only about Ron Paul, it's about if we can trust the electoral process! I agree that AJ can go over board and literally explode on issues, too the point it becomes a turn off. But in this case it very important to show that the electoral process is seriously flawed, and we got to throw the Diabold machines in the trash! I'm behind a recount on this one. 31 votes today can turn in to +10,000 tomorrow....Once again, this is not only about Ron Paul!!
This is why I've always
This is why I've always thought Alex Jones was a divider. I never liked him based on the fact that he reaffirms those who refuse him, while isolating those who agree with him.
COMPLETELY COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE TO A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE IN AMERICA.
Here are 4 basic interpretations:
1.) 9/11 was a surprise attack on the U.S. Government and its people by Islamic terrorists. Period. End of story. Let's have a picnic.
2.)While accepting the official interpretation of the attacks, thinks of 9/11 primarily as an event that was used opportunistically by the Bush Administration to extend the American Empire. (49.3% of New York City Residents)
(a belief shared by Noam Chomsky, among many others)
3.)The Bush Administration knew the attacks were coming and intentionally let them happen. (no poll has been done on this that I could find)
4.)The attacks weren't foreknown, they were orchestrated. (no poll done on Americans - polls in Canada, Germany show around 20% in 2002)
This Thread is a Waste of Time and Energy
Who cares if AJ is wrong or not.
How is this going to get RP elected.
We used to call this chasing rabbits - you'll just get lost down a hole.
"None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." - Goethe
"None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." - Goethe
Word from Lew Moore's wife (Ron's campain manager)
There was some fraud, just don't know how much.
Source?
Do you have audio/video of her saying this? Because right now you're just a random person on the internet.
Look people, I'm not saying that vote fraud isn't possible or that it didn't occur. I just don't have enough evidence right now to say that it DID occur.
Email from Maureen to all of the Meetup organizers in WA state.
Hi...The campaign is working HARD on this in NH...they have people working on it and there is evidence that there was some fraud...how much we don't know yet... but they are on it.
Let's channel this energy into building our crew here in WA...Our race is just beginning. The campaign is very optimistic. This is politics folks and we have got to be tough and keep going.
We are ahead of Guiliani and Thompson in cumulative votes...And we can definitely win....we just need to keep going!! Find the supporters so we can come out in force...we are soon going to have to go in to boot camp training for these caucus's..
love and blessings,
Maureen
There is some fraud? I hope
There is some fraud?
I hope they are looking at criminal indictments!
Election fraud must stop now, in the last eight years the only people that seem to have the nerve and the fight within them to end it are Ron Paul supporters.
How about this then...
check out this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=qV6qAGigGYY
Easy
It's obviously a messup in the part of the person doing the website. Just look over at Tancredo's column and you will see his numbers are huge. The formatting was wrong in the column's, but the totals at the bottom we're correct.
Some people are just painfully
illiterate when it comes to science and math, this is one of the big problems of the truthers.
I can't agree more
Truthers seem to be very gullible.
I wish they could find
another candidate. They are not an asset to the Good Doctor and his campaign.
And given the fact that RP does not agree with them, makes you wonder why they support him.
Agree. Agree. Agree.
This entire "massive voter fraud" campaign is foolish.
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