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Ron Paul on MSNBC's 'Morning Joe'

Ron Paul made an appearance on the show this morning.


As you remember,Morning Joe's Joe Scarborough voted, as well as publicly acknowledged his support for Ron Paul recently.

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Anyone else who read that

Anyone else who read that link skeptical of this?

Terrorism and the New American Republic

In 1786, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson met with Arab diplomats from Tunis, who were conducting terror raids and piracy against American ships.

History records them as the Barbary Pirates. In fact, they were blackmailing terrorists, hiding behind a self-serving interpretation of their Islamic faith by embracing select tracts and ignoring others. Borrowing from the Christian Crusades of centuries past, they used history as a mandate for doing the western world one better. The quisling European powers had been buying them off for years.

On March 28, 1786 Jefferson and Adams detailed what they saw as the main issue:

“We took the liberty to make some inquiries concerning the Grounds of their pretensions to make war upon a Nation who had done them no Injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our Friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

Thomas Jefferson wanted a military solution, but decades of blackmailing the American Republic and enslaving its citizens would continue until the new American nation realized that the only answer to terrorism was force.

"There's a temptation to view all of our problems as unprecedented and all of our threats as new and novel," says George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley. Shortly after the terror attacks of Sept. 11, Turley advised some members of Congress who were considering a formal declaration of war against the suspected perpetrators. He invoked the precedent of the Barbary pirates, saying America had every right to attack and destroy the terrorist leadership without declaring war.

"Congress did not actually declare war on the pirates," Turley wrote in a memo, "but 'authorized' the use of force against the regencies after our bribes and ransoms were having no effect. This may have been due to an appreciation that a declaration of war on such petty tyrants would have elevated their status. Accordingly, they were treated as pirates and, after a disgraceful period of accommodation, we hunted them down as pirates."

Because of their outlaw conduct, pirates -- and modern-day terrorists -- put themselves outside protection of the law, according to military strategy expert Dave McIntyre, a former dean at the National War College. "On the high seas if you saw a pirate, you sank the bastard," he says. "You assault pirates, you don't arrest pirates."

Shoot first, ask questions later. Wanted: Dead or alive. Such is our official policy regarding Osama bin Laden, the most infamous outlaw of the era.

One of the enduring lessons of the Barbary campaigns was to never give in to outlaws, whether you call them pirates or terrorists. In the late 1700s, America paid significant blackmail for peace -- shelling out $990,000 to the Algerians alone at a time when national revenues totaled just $7 million.

"Too many concessions have been made to Algiers," U.S. consul William Eaton wrote to the Secretary of State in 1799. "There is but one language which can be held to these people, and this is terror."

Michael G. Leventhal
Editor & Publisher DOJgov.net

Competing Initiative to calling back the military from overseas

That is certainly an eye opening piece of info.
I do agree on many things with Ron Paul and also think the US military should come back from overseas. But like his plans with other government programs, he maybe should not do it immediately but first start a very strong competing program for peace with all the countries of the world, a new program, so strong that it will be slowly possible to retreat all the USA military from the world. Competing strategies for many present government programs, like gold next to the FRN, so also a competing strategy next to the worldwide military presents of USA forces. ??

"And remember, a half-truth is far more dangerous then a complete lie, because the complete lie is going to be discovered sooner or later - just a little intelligence is needed. But the half-truth is very dangerous, even intelligent people, very intellige


I'm sorry, I don't follow your logic. What does your reply have to do with what I posted? I was simply trying to show what our founders had to go through for liberty, not start a debate in how to handle terrorist.

It doesn't matter if they ask him a question we don't like

as long as they give him a chance to answer. He is so good at interviews that the only one I thought he should turn down was Bill O. He just wouldn't give him a chance to answer. This one was very good.

that woman mika obviously harbors some kind of distaste for

ron paul.. it's amazing how a gigglish dumb woman can conceal it for so long however. since she rarely spoke while joe was hosting the show and she did so well concealing her facial emotions, i did not realize until this clip today.

She's hilarious

Just watch her. She always pretends that she wants to say something, but they cut her off. Then she makes all kinds of goofy faces but never speaks. Then she says "we'll be right back". That is about the smartest thing I ever heard come out of her mouth. That show was the final straw for me to get rid of cable. Now I just see those morons through clips on here.

Distaste you say? MIka's father is Zbigniew Brzezinski

Distaste? Understatement. Read to find out who Brzezinski is, a key architect in destroying out republic for many years. Outright brazenly blatant how these people interchange between multi-national companies, government & the MSM.

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Ok what I don't like is that

Ok what I don't like is that he said he doesn't have 5 states to be on the Tampa ballot and doesn't even know if he will be able to speak. So can anyone tell me about this? it won't even matter if the delegates are unbound if Ron Paul is not on the ballot to vote for him...

LOL! Stupid MSM

LOL! Stupid MSM. What's up with the dumb blond in the end, " That don't make sense, but there you go". With all do respect. I would personally slap the shit out of her and that dumb dude too for Ron Paul. The rEVOLution is in full effect. Ron Paul is my President regardless of what happens in August.

hey joe,

a little late for an endorsement now, thanks for nothing.

odd that the morning smoe gave a ringing endorsement

after the primaries were held instead of during primary season. Also why was joe not on his own show today?

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Joe was on his show today...

He just disappeared when Ron Paul came on. Then as soon as Paul was gone Joe came back for Mikka's dad. What a turkey Scarborough is! And I used to like him when he was in Congress. Was I ever wrong about his character...er, I mean lack of character.

Minnesota Mary

Social Security Was and IS STILL touted as pay for insurance

Social Security Was and IS STILL touted as a pay for insurance program. You supposedly pay in and get back when you retire.

We all know that they have looted the SS fund BUT to keep govt honest there is no reason why some one regardless of means should not take their share of social security because everyone is forced to pay into it.

I know Rand Paul wants to means test Social security. I oppose that
You can means test welfare but not a program that you put money in by dictate. (all taxes are forced, but the ss tax is supposedly JUST for your retirement, not for the general fund)

If you want to means test social security than allow people with means to opt out!

Ron Paul spent his life working as a doctor and investing in gold and silver and gold miners. He also contributed to social security and still does-he is owed his share.

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Two Trillion Missing!

The last time I took a look at receipts vs. payouts in the S.S. "trust" fund.

Thanks For Input Relative To My Intepretation Of The SS Issue

I now fully agree that Paul should get back out some of what he put in. The young guy was just trying to put a social program in his face that he participates in. I didn't think of it as forcible payment into sort of way.

Mr. Sanctimonious

got his ass handed to him by the truth. He thought be came up with a gotcha question, and probably didn't expect that there are no gotcha questions for Ron Paul. Ron will answer truthfully and honestly, as well as defend all of his stances with sound logic. I have never seen a gotcha moment for Ron Paul..

I stopped counting those moments with Mitt Romney, it's probably in the 1000's and grows every week.

unfortunately, though not surprisingly, and predictably

the prick is already busy spinning it on his HuffPost column:

huffingtonpost com/2012/06/20/ron-paul-social-security_n_1612117.html

click on that link at your own leisure, but I'd kindly ask to not visit it, as it'll simply drive traffic and keep it in the news cycle longer.

the gist of it is, blah blah blah, 'hypocritical?' blah blah blah.

and NEVER mention the fact that the system is already bankrupt. but Dr. Paul as a 76year old, his generation has mathematically put into the most, and as such, have already been promised a payout. contracts are contracts, ponzi scheme or no ponzi scheme. let alone the fact that Sam Stein conveniently omits the fact that Doc never accepted medicare or medicaid, or congressional pensions, never takes lobbyist money, or paid-junkets, and returns HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS back to the Treasury, annually.

but the biggest elephant of them all that all liberals conveniently omit when smearing Dr. Paul with their tried and true 'see those heartless libertarians and republicans want to throw your grandma off the cliff and let your uncle starve to death in the streets!'-meme, is the fact that his very real practical plan to end the empire whereby cutting $1TRILLION+/yr ANNUALLY, and using that 'money' saved to shore up those already made dependent while having young opt out and the rest of us transition out of it.

Yup, THAT big elephant? NO WHERE in that Sam Stein's spin, spin, spin.

The comment section is, as expected, full of atrociously mindless brainwashed socialist drivel, which at this point I have no patience in rebutting, anymore.

It's futile to argue with morons, especially the L vs. R entrenched partisan morons and 'movement' liberals; those who are curious will find their way on their own. And those who are utterly econ and geopolitically imbecilic in the year 2012 with almost two full decades of internet, is beyond helpless anyhow.

But, to those who have membership there and can tolerate it as some daily bemusement quota, have at them, for the rest of us! xD lol

Well, at least unlike Paul KRUDman, Sam Stein didn't scurry out in the middle of the interview to cover his ass on his putrid blog with a readership of less than the number of friends he had in summer camp. but, that's the most kind thing one can say about him; though to be completely fair, Sam Stein has been one of the more fair-ish NON-r3VOL HuffPost staff writers toward Dr. Paul. But, that's not saying much, as HuffPost is utter liberal trash which has now become more tabloid and worthless than TMZ.

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

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"What light is to the eyes - what air is to the lungs - what love is to the heart, liberty is to the soul of man."
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Interview. Clear strong answers and understandable by anyone watching.

Ron Paul is a complete CHAMP!


"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

Awesome job, Dr. Paul

Every time I hear you speak I know why I am so very proud to be a Ron Paul Supporter!

Jim Rogers

There is only one thing Dr.

There is only one thing Dr. Paul has ever done that has made me think he has ever been inconsistent. He has often said that america can be the best ambassador for liberty by setting a good example. That the example is important because it sets a standard to be emulated. Then he says he is just a minor part of the movement. Yes, I understand that movement exists only with numbers. I understand that it must be comprised of intelligent people with moral convictions. But where would we be, where would this movement be without you Dr. Paul??? You're intellect is admired by all of us. Your convictions and morality are above reproach. You are the example we are all trying to be. You have made me a morally stronger person. Just seeing you as our champion debating the propagandists and never retreating is extremely inspiring and gratifying. We appreciate greatly saying you need us. That's true. Hope one day you give yourself the recognition you truly deserve. We need you. That's true.

You have missed the reality

Ron Paul has been the same for 35years. Where were WE and our parents?

Without bad economy our ideas do not sell. Many on the "right" are the same socialists or interventionalists when you put gay and abortion issues aside. What more - many Blue Republicans and Alex Jones's populists are only partially for Libertarian movement.

P.S. Even more, many RP Libertarians wont vote for Libertarian party this year. They prefer personality over ideas.

Honestly, I think it is the

Honestly, I think it is the internet more then the economy. But the two are working well together to spread liberty and Austrian economics.

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Very Well Put


When Ron Paul cut his Congressman salary down...

... to very very little - that was the real DEED. It hurt. I'm sure Carol would agree. And the interviewers did not ask him about this. Not interested.

But giving up his little SS check - into which he payed handsomely - that would be doing something POLITICALLY CORRECT. Something expected in the game. That is what his interviewers thought about asking - because it was something politically correct - and Ron Paul has not done it. So they wanted to catch him on this.

I feel that this is one of the major reasons Ron Paul has not "denounced" his SS checks, not just the sheer pragmatism. Because he never does things that a just politically correct. Because doing this is not honest.

Ron Paul ... forever.


...he would never brag about it (never being politically correct), so his answer about SS was about the pragmatics.

Ron Paul ... forever.

This is

a populist distraction often used by socialists. Thus, new socialist president of France had cut his salary. Such action can only captivate imagination of OWS, socialists, anti-Semites and other rich envy people. They do not realize that if we expropriate all cash money the rich people in USA have, that wont be enough to cover the gap in our government' yearly budget.

what "THIS"

- which and whose act are you talking about?

Ron Paul ... forever.

What happened to the 10 - 11

states that Ron Paul had right before Priebus announced rombama the presumptive nominee?

We were clearly winning states left and right then all of a sudden theres 7 less states. What the hell happened to those delegates?

When I posted

a comment a month ago here that website "truedelegatecounts" did not give an accurate information and Ben Swann and other populists among us were referencing the fudged numbers, I got 17 thumb downs from the collective. And boy, what nice comments I got in response.