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Ron Paul Hits Back Against People Criticizing His Social Security Stance

The media is trying to say Ron Paul is being a hypocrite in his comments about Social Security earlier today. But he does a great job of defending himself. Read about it, and watch video of the discussion, at the below link:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/354584/20120620/ron-paul-soc...

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Somewhere I have a sheet of

Somewhere I have a sheet of my SS "donations" over the years. I am going to pretend I bought gold at the current price every year with the money I sent to FICA I wonder how many ounces of Gold I could be holding today? I started paying in, in 1971.

Compare that with the payout of Social Security programs. Hmmm...

Free includes debt-free!

One Thing I am Happy to See

Is that more msm sites comments are coming around to our way of thinking. Used to be if you looked at articles on yahoo or huff post etc there were lots of comments putting Ron Paul and his supporters down. NOW there are lots of them sounding just like us and being far more informed! I didn't really need to comment on this at that link because loads of people said it all for me. (I did anyway) ha

skippy

Ron Paul isn't bankrupting SS, the government is!

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Thank you MSM for confirming

that Ron Paul is still seen by the establishment as a major threat. Why else go to such trouble to exploit such trivia in a pitiful attempt to harm Ron Paul?

Ron Paul for President 2012.

The secret is out. What Dr Paul will be doing in 2021 after his second term as president:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/92460104/Ex-President-Paul-Wins-20...

I prefer to call it...

Social Insecurity

which makes the number a SIN

Great insight Dan

This is exactly what the truth of the matter is.

Good response by Dr. Paul

but I wish he would have brought up the fact that he refused to participate in the lucrative Congressional Pension system!

Jim Rogers

Only Loyali HuffPos

Could find Ron Paul taking back HIS OWN money hypocritical. I wrote an article in his defense this morning.

http://www.dailypaul.com/241417/is-ron-paul-a-hypocrite-for-...

http://lionsofliberty.com/
*Advancing the Ideas of Liberty Daily*

Social Security is YOUR OWN MONEY!!!

It's money that's been confiscated from your paychecks all of your working life, without your consent - they called it "FICA."

YOU DESERVE TO HAVE YOUR OWN DAMN MONEY RETURNED TO YOU!!!!!

Freedom is my Worship Word!

except one thing

If you want to get back stolen funds, get them back from the thieves themselves, not an innocent tax payer.

I understand the opinion, among the older generation, that SS is just their money anyway. I understand them having that opinion, because that is the way that SS was sold to them. It was supposed to be a separate fund. There was supposed to be a "lock box". If their had been, the fund would actually be solvent, and they would be getting back money that they were rightly entitled to.

But the money was spent, and there is no way for the older generation to get it back now, not without stealing it from the younger. I have sympathy up to a point, because there are plenty among that generation who would have preferred to opt out, who never sanctioned the spending of the money. But there are a majority among that generation who fell asleep, who didn't stop the money from being spent, who wanted the government to spend, spend, spend.

None of this changes my high opinion of Dr. Paul. He is the man that we need for president. And he certainly can't be labeled as a "hypocrite" because of this. I just have to not let my high regard for him cause me to defend something that I don't agree with. The money that people were entitled to is gone, there is no way to just reclaim it.

getting back social security money IS taking from the thieves!

The THEIVES in the government SHOULD have to give us ALL back the taxes and Social Security they have stolen and are stealing from us. All they would do if you let the thieves keep younger people's input now is give it to the stinkin FED for the "interest" we supposedly OWE the counterfitters. Figure it out people - all the money you get back into the hands of the people who EARNED it will help us ALL!
One more point...Ron Paul said TODAY that he is STILL paying in MORE than he is getting back. The biased blond cut the interview off unfairly with the ending comment "that doesn't make sense". Are you kidding? Anyone still working IS still having to pay big chunks into the SS system. And I believe there is a huge majority of people who will never recoup what has been stolen in equal dollar ammount.

kar-yn-liberty

Well, if he is currently paying in more than he gets back

that makes sense. Its a good defense! My point is that the government has not kept the money that it stole from us in the past. We cannot get money back that has already been spent. In order to give money back to us, they have to steal it from someone else!

Yet, on the other hand, this

Yet, on the other hand, this older generation supported massive government spending while also crying for massive tax cuts. They enjoyed the welfare, the war economy, the low tax rates, etc. Now when the shit hits the fan they want to kick the can down the road.

The people have always had the chance to shrink government and have a balanced budget. They've chosen not to.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

in response to "Yet on the other Hand

I guess I am part of that older generation you are commenting about.
My question to you is -if its as easy to shrink the government and have a balanced budget as you make it sound,- why don't you have it all fixed up now already? Who benefits from a "war economy" except the industialist war machine of elite inside contractors? The borrowing from the FED to finance the wars are what has stedily erroded the value of our dollar since the inception of that insidious institution. What welfare have we so enjoyed? Scant Social Security returns after a lifetime of work for "scrape by" retirements? Just because huge new increases in the tax system are looming, doesn't mean the government hasn't been stealing big illegal income taxes from us our whole life when the dollar was worth far more than now. What do you mean by LOW taxes?....Like we had a piece of cake to keep them paid and raise our families? My husband and I have been in this fight to repeal the IRS, the Fed Reserve, the UN, the wars all our adult life. What side are you on? Its not you against us. It IS Americans against the ruling establishment that controls both parties. May the Ron Paul R3VOLution help us all.

kar-yn-liberty

The IRS

The IRS and the income tax are unconstitutional but he still pays his taxes to the IRS.

Income Tax

is NOT unconstitutional!
Approx. 95% of all Americans however are NOT liable!

www.losthorizons.com

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

How did he hit back

against people criticizing his social security stance?

"I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this any more!"
- Howard Beale

From your link:Ron Paul has

From your link:

Ron Paul has made a name for himself in large part by framing himself as the small-government, free-market candidate who wants to help you keep your money rather than sending it to the government to pay for programs like Social Security and welfare.

But he appears to be a something of a hypocrite, as he admitted on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Wednesday that he is certainly not above cashing Social Security checks for himself.

The Texas congressman tried to finesse the remarks, but the damage had already been done, as his opponents will surely use them against him, and it will likely make some of his vociferous supporters stop and scratch their heads, and perhaps even re-evaluate who the candidate they adore really is.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/354584/20120620/ron-paul-soc...

It seems there is a grand swindle being played on a trusting, gullible public, a scam whose goal is to con America's dying middle class into handing over their retirement money to the richest 0.1 percent, convincing them that in doing so, they're empowering themselves and protecting their individual liberty.

The Nation has a fantastic exclusive demonstrating the depths of another so-called libertarian, Charles Koch's hypocrisy. To set the scene: It's 1973, and Koch is the newly-appointed president of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian think tank that was sort of a precursor to Koch's Cato Institute. He's trying to lure Friedrich Hayek, "the leading laissez-faire economist of the twentieth century," from his home in Austria to the Institute as "distinguished senior scholar." Hayek originally refuses, on the basis of having had some serious health concerns, and wanting to be in his home country, with its generous social benefits and health protections.

Publicly, in academia and in politics, in the media and in propaganda, these two major figures, one the sponsor - the other the mandarin, have been pushing Americans to do away with Social Security and Medicare for our own good: we will become freer, richer, healthier and better people.
But a written, documented exchange between Koch and Hayek exposes the bad-faith nature of their public arguments. In private, Koch expresses confidence in Social Securitys ability to care for a clearly worried Hayek. He and his fellow IHS libertarians repeatedly assure Hayek that his government-funded coverage in the United States would be adequate for his medical needs. None of them, not Koch, Hayek or the other libertarians at the IHS express anything remotely resembling shame or unease at such a betrayal of their public ideals and writings.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/29/1021379/-Charles-Ko...

Very hypocritical. Koch should have offered to privately cover Hayek's medical expenses, not dump them on the taxpayer. Same for Paul. IMO, Ron Paul should cash no Social Security checks for himself other than what he was forced to pay into it over the years.

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my take on this post

stealing back what a thief from you is bad
and i can see that he should not have taken
S.S. because he did pay into it,and not willingly
just like the rest of us
shame on RP for not liking theft
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

What are you doing on this site?

You need to get some economics education. Because you may as well be voting Obama or Romney with this level of fiscal intelligense.

kar-yn-liberty

Paul Is Not Being Hypocritical For Collecting SS

He should not take out more than he put in? Do you happen to know how many years he paid versus receiving - do you dollar figures?

If SS is still arounf when I retire, I am taking the fucking money AND I don't agree that SS system has been a good thing because politicains have ruined it and I believe I could build more wealth from whatever my equivalent share is.

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MSM is also spreading headlines and stories

...to make Ron Paul look like he's done a criminal act.

They put admit, admits, admitted into their stories to paint Ron Paul negatively. Yellow bellied journalism at it's finest.

Real eyes realize real lies

We want our country back

Every year is a year for Ron Paul!

The article itself stinks, but the comments

are worth reading.

It goes to show that people don't understand

People don't understand that you are forced to pay SS.

Why shouldn't anyone who was forced to invest part of their pay check to SS, get it back when they can?

Exactly

Getting back some of the money that was SEIZED from your possession over all those years is not wrong in any way.

It is funny the "logic" used by people who actively support constant aggressive force.

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Freedom - Peace - Prosperity

my analogy

it is not hypocritical for parents who have smoked marijuana to dutifully inform their children of the dangers of doing drugs and to recommend against it.

Bad analogy

Ron Paul had NO CHOICE but to have his wages garnished all those years for forced social security payments.

Why would it be wrong in any way to get back some of what was wrongfully seized from your earnings?

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Freedom - Peace - Prosperity

While they have a doobie in

While they have a doobie in their mouth?!?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Read Thomas Paine...

Agrarian Justice. If we had honest money, you could eliminate the Social Security and do so by savings. People used to be able to plan out how much money they needed for retirement, and saved it. Since the value of the money was constant. Reinstate the Coinage Act.

This should be a strength for Ron to talk about honest money, flooding out the fiat money and replacing debt, with value. Which could be invested to grow capital. Instead of what we have now, which is a debt based economy, pyramiding on more debt to cover the interest, beyond the principal.