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Why Religion and Morality I think Ron Paul knew this as well.

A interesting website I found and would like to share.
I believe Ron Paul knew this as well.

WARNING this might offend some anti religion or anti moral viewers

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below is a part quoted from link below

Why Religion and Morality

In 1776, the year Thomas Jefferson drafted the Declaration of Independence, John Adams wrote to his cousin, “It is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand.” There it is again. Why did the Founding Fathers keep pointing back to these fundamental building blocks? Adams himself answered that question in 1798, while serving as president: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

There is the answer! They kept referring to religion and morality because, as Adams said, our Constitution was made only for moral and religious people! Now the question is, why? Why was the Constitution written only for moral and religious people? Why was it inadequate to the government of any other?

Alexis de Tocqueville’s 19th-century observations on the American republic answer this critical question. After touring America for two years in the early 1830s, he returned home to France and wrote his political classic, Democracy in America. Like the Founding Fathers, Tocqueville acknowledged that religion and morality were indispensable to the maintenance of the American republic. Why indispensable? He said that while the constitutional law of liberty allowed Americans complete freedom to do as they pleased, religion prevented them from doing that which was immoral and unjust. In short, Tocqueville surmised, liberty could not be governed apart from religious faith, lest there be anarchy.

Without the moral restrictions of a higher spiritual law, the liberty afforded Americans in the Constitution would be abused. George Washington knew that! So did the rest of the Founding Fathers. That’s why they kept harping on religion and morality. They did not want to see the United States of America self-destruct.

The success of our Constitution does not depend on which political party we belong to—it depends on how biblically spiritual we are!

http://www.thetrumpet.com/?q=8438.7170.136.0

-Ron Paul

My faith is a deeply private issue to me, and I don’t speak on it in great detail during my speeches because I want to avoid any appearance of exploiting it for political gain. Let me be very clear here: I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.

It is God Who gave us life. As He is free, so are those He created in His image. Our rights to life and liberty are inalienable.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/statement-of-faith/

http://ronpaulflix.com/2011/05/ron-paul-speaks-about-jesus-c...

"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.

John Hancock
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
--History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.

George Washington
1st U.S. President

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.

Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

John Dickinson

SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION; GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA; GOVERNOR OF DELAWARE; GENERAL IN THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION

Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.27

[Governments] could not give the rights essential to happiness… We claim them from a higher source: from the King of kings, and Lord of all the earth.28

granted not all founding fathers had a religion or had a different religion but a lot were Christians.

and some extra sites if interested in reading.
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkJwwtxGJMs i found this to be a good video. added this here June 25,2012 at 8:00pm

2. http://www.americanheritagealliance.org/heritage7.htm

3. http://americanpatriotseries.blogspot.com/2011/07/faith-of-o...

also a interesting part of a Ron Paul news letter.

The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity. ~ Ron Paul

The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders' political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government's hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation's history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people's allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation's Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.

December 30, 2003

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.



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Simple.

The Libertarian Non-Agression Priciple. Each of us has to have a respect for each others Inalienable Rights. It's different strokes for different folks, where everyone is entitled to do whatever they want as long as they don't infringe upon anyone else's Life, Liberty, and Property.

I'm a libertarian that

I'm a libertarian that completely believes in the NAP. And since I'm not religious in any way I judge peoples morals by how well they adhere to the NAP. Bad people aggress on others - Good people do not. Seems pretty simple to me... I don't really know why some people think you need to believe in some mystical being to have morals...I'm just guessing they were raised to think that way.

you don't understand

the fever that drives them to convert the masses to their chosen creation myth. To "save" them at all costs. They have already infiltrated the government and military. They have an agenda. I suggest you take a look at history and review how they treated those that didn't accept their God. They want their "Revival" and they will stop at nothing to get it. Just watch.

Sin is the root of all

Sin is the root of all problems my friend

as to Catholics my problem is with the Catholic Hierarchy not the church going Catholics.

Hierarcy....

...and, most religions now days seem to have a self-interest hierarchy. It is usually the hierarchy not the people.

fonta

There is an EGO side to humanity and a SPIRITUAL side.

The ego side is characterized by all that we associate with the so called “dark side”; dishonesty, greed, manipulation, envy, jealousy, competition, hatred, aggression, violence, anger, meanness, pettiness, selfishness, FEAR, lust for power and control over others, lust for possessions and monetary gain at any cost. These attributes create negative energy and make us feel darkness inside, resentful, anxious, and unhappy.

The spiritual side is characterized by all that we associate with “light”: love, kindness, compassion, honesty, sense of abundance, joy, empathy, cooperation, inner peace, courage, consistent high values, common sense, forgiveness of the shortcomings of others, integrity in all dealings. These attributes create positive energy and make us feel love, light, expanded, and happy.

We humans are a combination of all these things until we get control of the ego-mind and consistently choose our spiritual side. That is, we choose love over fear. The Masters like Jesus and Buddha will help and guide you if you ask. That is why “accepting Jesus” leads to becoming a spiritual person, such as Dr. Ron Paul. The Masters always help if you ask. So do Angels. But I digress.

The constitution can only function in an environment where the people of the day are functioning from their spiritual side. That has nothing to do with “church”. Some become spiritual by attending church, synagogue, mosque, or temple, or spending time in nature. Others become spiritual by other means. How one becomes truly spiritual is not important. It is the “being spiritual” that counts if this nation is again to live by the constitution.

The supporters of Ron Paul and the Liberty Movement "get it". They honor the spiritual nature they see in Ron Paul and have adopted his values as their own. They honor being honest, spiritual, courageous, awake. They are seeking to create an environment where the Constitution can again live and thrive in our midst.

BigBoss, you lost this debate long ago and

you revealed a great deal. Thank you.

Morality does not derive its'

Morality does not derive its' meaning from Religion.

All you need for "morality" is the respect of others Life, Liberty, and Property. In other words, all we need for the success of our Republic is for people to have an understanding of the Libertarian Non-aggression Principle.

Now with that being said, I'm not saying that Religion is unwelcome, or incompatable within a Free Society, only that it is not a requirement.

As I respect your view but I

As I respect your view but I believe founding father john jay has something to say.

John Jay (1784) "Religion is the only solid basis of good morals; therefore education should teach the precepts of religion and the duties of man towards God."

I do NOT respect your position.

You presuppose to systematically teach kids that morality derives its' meaning from Religion ...which is not true.

One can be moral, and just, without Religion of any kind. One can be moral, and just, with Religion, as well.

I'm not religeous of any kind, but let me ask you, is the Dalai Lama any less moral, or just, than you?

NO, I do not respect your position as far as you want to force something upon another, but I respect your right to have that position. I respect the right of you to have your faith, and follow your Religion.

If YOU want to be moral, and just, you would respect the Individual Liberty of your fellow Americans and let them live their lives in which ever way they see fit, be that with, or without, religion.

Agreed this is America the

Agreed this is America the land of the free that's suppose to have liberty and freedom for us all.

im just trying to point out again what was said.

One more thing...

If Religion is to be taught, it should be done at the home, or in the Church. Religion has no place in public education. Period.

There shouldn't be public

There shouldn't be public education. Period.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

Agreed.

I do not dispute that.

and when you suggest OUR government should follow

your chosen creation myth, you will be resisted to the end. This is the agenda of many Fundamentalists in the Liberty Movement. Beware.

Matthew 16:24 Then said

Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

signed lover of the truth.

slavery pre-dated

slavery pre-dated Christianity by centuries and even millennia. all known cultures had slavery. For centuries, slavery needed no defenders because it had no critics. Atheists who champion ancient Greece and pre-Christian Rome somehow seem to forget that those empires were based on large-scale enslavement.

http://townhall.com/columnists/dineshdsouza/2008/01/14/how_c...

did any of you ever complete

did you ever complete high school or did you all just drop out? this is ridiculous I mean seriously.

Laughable. It was religion,

Laughable. It was religion, in a very religious society, that approved the enslavement of blacks, the mistreatment of blacks under segregation, the oppressment of women, the mistreatment against the poor, etc.

And you forget the quotes from founders like Madison that hated organized religion.

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Isn't it remarkable that

Isn't it remarkable that atheists, who did virtually nothing to oppose slavery, condemn Christians, who are the ones who abolished it?

yeah, because a ton of people ran

around telling their Christian friends that they didn't believe in the concept of a "God". Yeah, that would have gone over real well. Perhaps you should explore what they did to people who didn't "believe".

Aren't Christians the same

Aren't Christians the same people who enslaved the Irish and the Africans; also, aren't the Christians the ones who burned people alive -claiming them to be witches?

With tests like: throwing an individual in a lake and if they floated they were a witch and would be burned alive, but if they sank then they would drown but they would go to heaven. Also, putting an individual on a balance and on the other side a Bible would be placed, and if the person weighed more than the Bible the person would be burned alive. With these being two of such tests performed I'm sure there was no shortage of witches to be found.

The Puritans also enslaved and killed Native Americans, besides killing Protestants and Catholics.

Which are the good Christians; because with the past transgressions and also the modern Christians thirst for Blood of Muslims and anybody who even hint at apposing them, even if it kills them or bankrupts the United States, and using government to ban sin which Christ spoke out against and did not do, it would be hard to find the 'good' Christians.

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Wow the disinfo. agents are

out in full force on this one! This article really struck a chord with you guys, huh! This argument is really disengenous because for every so called "Christian" act of murder/violence you conjure up, there are a thousand examples of murderers who wore no such title...What religion was Mao? What about Hitler (he was in fact, an occultist)? What about Nero, who burned Christians at the stake? Or what about the Egyptian Pharoahs who killed and enslaved tens of thousands, or the Roman emperors who did the same You are trying to make evil acts done by evil men out to be somehow exclusivley Christian acts (and lying and exagerating about some things that had nothing to do with Christianity at all - George Bush is not a Christian, he says he is, but no Christian would lie to start an unjust war or do all of the things that he's done).

The truth is that Christians are responsible for the founding of this nation - the Puritans fled Europe to escape religious persecution from the Roman Catholic Church (and the Catholics do not have the corner on Christianity - Jesus founded Christianity, not the Catholics). The bottom line is all of the horrible things you detail are not Christian acts, they are human acts, because just as the Bible declares, the human heart is deceitful and wicked and capable of incredible evil. I assert to you; however, that if someone is truly a Christian and has committed Himself to God, they are not capable of doing the things that you claim, they are a new creature and have become "born again" through the work of the Holy Spirit. Like I said in an earlier post, show me a person who claims to be Christian and lives a perpetually wicked or immoral life and I will show you a liar.

Does your religious leader

Does your religious leader and other members of your Church support sanctions/war with Iran? If so, then they cannot be Christians by your proclamation. Did any of your religious leaders and other church goers support going to war with Iraq? If they did, then as you stated; they are not Christians.

I think the Christians which support Dr. Paul, would be sadly surprised if they did a poll of their Church to see who is an actual Christian; because as you said, no Christian would have supported an unjust war.

I'm just curious; how do you reconcile the fact that there is a greater percentage of crime then there is of non-Christians in the United States. It obviously means that Christians are committing crimes; doesn't it?

I thought it was: do onto other as you would have done onto you; but the Puritans left Europe because they were being persecuted, and they came here and became those doing the persecutions. That really lives up to the Christian morals.

Also, going by your standards of; people can't be Christians if they violate the tenets of Christianity, then one could argue that the only real Christians in the US support Ron Paul -because to support any other candidate would violate numerous Christian tenets and therefore Christianity isn't the largest Religious denomination in the US, but Anti-Christianism, masqueraded as Christianity, is -since they appose the Christian tenets which Dr. Paul espouses but consider themselves Christians at the same time.

What are your thoughts on Billy Graham; he supported unjust wars and propped up supposed Christian presidents while they violated Christian tenets.

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To answer some of your questions...

No, the pastor of my church does not support wars of aggression or unjust wars. I am part of a small nondenominational church that tries to adhere strictly to the Word of God - the Bible - there are many Ron Paul supporters in this church who are wide awake to what is going on this country. In response to your other questions, I do believe that a large part of the Christian church has been led astray, starting with selling their freedom of speech for a 501(c)3 tax exemption. I think that the Christian church in this country is going through a "culling" if you will and those that are calling themselves Christian, but are not, are being exposed.

I do not claim that Christians are perfect, they make mistakes and can be sometimes led astray and even into sin, but if they are really Christians, they will be unable to stay there because the Holy Spirit does not allow for that. I have seen that happen in my own life since I became a born again Christian - I truly have a new outlook on life and the things I used to love that are considered sinful to God, I now hate (and believe me, there is a long list of those things).

Jesus said that in reference to true Christians "you will know them by their fruit" - meaning that it matters not what a person calls themselves, what matters is how they act and this is what reveals the truth of who they are. You can call an apple tree an orange tree, but if all that is hanging on its branches are apples, it is still an apple tree.

These are not my standards, these are God's standards and all I'm saying is that true Christian's don't try to force people to convert, or threaten people with violance if they don't because those things never convert or change people's hearts - the Gospel does . And as far as the Puritans go, that is really not an accurate depiction either - when the Puritans first came to this country, they for the most part, tried to live peacefully and trade with the natives of this land (although on occasions certain tribes would be hostile toward them and they would defend themselves as necessary). In fact, the first Thanksgiving was shared with local Indian tribes, they gave us corn among other things and we traded our goods with them. It was not the Puritans who were responsible for the Indian tribes being destroyed across this country, a lot of that happened much later.

And finally, I am not a big fan of Billy Graham or any other person that supports unjust wars or the killing of innocent women and childen.

I also agree with your statement "Christianity isn't the largest Religious denomination in the US, but Anti-Christianism, masqueraded as Christianity, is"...that is pretty accurate in my view.

So...

...in your first paragraph you are actually saying that Christians and non-Christians are pretty much the same.

Then in the second paragraph a group of Puritans left religious persecution to come to a land and start their own religious persecution, just they'd be in charge this time.

In the same second paragraph you wrap it all up by basically saying, a True Christian could never do anything wrong, because if they did, then they aren't a True Christian.

Wow.

behead 4,500 Saxons in a single day for refusing baptism.

Emperor's Errand Boy

MILTIADES (311-314) was the 32nd pope.

In 313, Emperor Constantine embraced Christianity, issuing the Edict of Milan and ending 250 years of sporadic Roman persecution. Although only about one out of twenty of Constantine's subjects professed to being Christians, when a warrior-king converted, his example was persuasive: 500 years later, Charlemagne would behead 4,500 Saxons in a single day for refusing baptism.

It wasn't Christ's pious lifestyle that attracted Constantine. (The Church's moral code was still rather lax in 313. Sex with animals was only outlawed the following year.) Constantine's conversion was a military and political tactic. Seeing a vision of a cross of light in the sky on the eve of a decisive conflict, Constantine viewed Christ as a talismanic war god who would ensure him victory on the battlefield.

Constantine moved the center of the Roman empire to Constantinople. He moved Miltiades out of his drab papal lodgings, installed him in the Lateran Palace and showered him with gifts. In return, Miltiades indulged Constantine's every whim. And thus began the papacy's long slide down-ward into corruption and preoccupation with earthly power.
Posted by Martin Zamyatin at 1.12.06

http://scarecrow-pope.blogspot.com/

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thankyou

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Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

I wouldn't base my opinion of Catholicism

on this blog.

Even if all this was true, should Constantine's actions be blamed on the Catholic Church?