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Why Religion and Morality I think Ron Paul knew this as well.

A interesting website I found and would like to share.
I believe Ron Paul knew this as well.

WARNING this might offend some anti religion or anti moral viewers


below is a part quoted from link below

Why Religion and Morality

In 1776, the year Thomas Jefferson drafted the Declaration of Independence, John Adams wrote to his cousin, “It is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand.” There it is again. Why did the Founding Fathers keep pointing back to these fundamental building blocks? Adams himself answered that question in 1798, while serving as president: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

There is the answer! They kept referring to religion and morality because, as Adams said, our Constitution was made only for moral and religious people! Now the question is, why? Why was the Constitution written only for moral and religious people? Why was it inadequate to the government of any other?

Alexis de Tocqueville’s 19th-century observations on the American republic answer this critical question. After touring America for two years in the early 1830s, he returned home to France and wrote his political classic, Democracy in America. Like the Founding Fathers, Tocqueville acknowledged that religion and morality were indispensable to the maintenance of the American republic. Why indispensable? He said that while the constitutional law of liberty allowed Americans complete freedom to do as they pleased, religion prevented them from doing that which was immoral and unjust. In short, Tocqueville surmised, liberty could not be governed apart from religious faith, lest there be anarchy.

Without the moral restrictions of a higher spiritual law, the liberty afforded Americans in the Constitution would be abused. George Washington knew that! So did the rest of the Founding Fathers. That’s why they kept harping on religion and morality. They did not want to see the United States of America self-destruct.

The success of our Constitution does not depend on which political party we belong to—it depends on how biblically spiritual we are!


-Ron Paul

My faith is a deeply private issue to me, and I don’t speak on it in great detail during my speeches because I want to avoid any appearance of exploiting it for political gain. Let me be very clear here: I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.

It is God Who gave us life. As He is free, so are those He created in His image. Our rights to life and liberty are inalienable.



"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.

John Hancock
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
--History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.

George Washington
1st U.S. President

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.

Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

John Dickinson


Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.27

[Governments] could not give the rights essential to happiness… We claim them from a higher source: from the King of kings, and Lord of all the earth.28

granted not all founding fathers had a religion or had a different religion but a lot were Christians.

and some extra sites if interested in reading.
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkJwwtxGJMs i found this to be a good video. added this here June 25,2012 at 8:00pm

2. http://www.americanheritagealliance.org/heritage7.htm

3. http://americanpatriotseries.blogspot.com/2011/07/faith-of-o...

also a interesting part of a Ron Paul news letter.

The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity. ~ Ron Paul

The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders' political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government's hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation's history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people's allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation's Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.

December 30, 2003

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.

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he was doing what he knew he could get away with

he was a RC and a was the law in his land
he learned how to be a tyrant from his RELIGION
he used that old saw "god told me to do it"
or "I got a message from god "

it is a xian ICON/cross

whether RC or the LATER protestant denom.

its all xian off shoot of judiasm,
off shoot of zorastrianism


that cycle is now ending and a new one is aborning

Ron Paul is a harbinger of this wonderful New Aeon !

people have to let go of that old mind conditioning and allow that all responsibility comes from WITHIN not some skybeing who
defines women down and makes men think they are here to HATE and KILL anyone who doesnt bow and grovel to their version of those WARGODS


Pagans are tolerant by NATURE.

Catholics are Chrsitians, saying otherwise is dishonest

(addressed to the comments below concerning Catholicism)

Catholics do in fact believe in Jesus Christ, therefore they are Christians.

Protestant Christianity came from Catholicism, it didn't just simply appear.

Tom Woods, Jeff Tucker, and Lew Rockwell are all Roman Catholics and they are certainly Christians.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com

"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Catholics aren't Christians

Catholics aren't Christians they do believe in a few of the same things but largely disagree on the important things which matter the most too both of them.

why else do you think I and many others would be arguing with all of you?

The Pope himself thanked Mary for saving his life (Time, Dec. 30, 1991 p. 69). Instead of excommunicating Mary worshipers, they have as part of the church, a “liturgical cult of the Blessed Virgin,...” (Vatican Council II No. 28 VIII #66, 67 - Flannery). Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said of Jesus, “There is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). By praying to Mary and considering her a co-savior and co-mediator, the Catholic Church puts Mary on a similar level with Jesus. Thus they deny Jesus his rightful place as our only mediator, savior, and redeemer by placing part of his work with someone else.

Joe falls in a river

Jack jumps in and saves him. Joe says, "Jack saved me!"

Jill comes walking up and says; "Liar! God saved you."

Fundamentalists in the Liberty Movement are a

minority and they should be encouraged to leave so they can see how much of a minority they are. It's time to stop playing nice with these folks. They will destroy the Liberty Movement from within.

You are correct, sir.

Now what, BigBoss?

rofl seriously freetoroam

rofl seriously freetoroam take a time out and watch some tv or play a game this is a friendly conversation / debate not the end of the world.

freetoroam: we must stop these EVIL Christian Evangelicals they will mess everything up for the liberty movement!!! they will cut our throats when we are sleeping .... zomggggggggg the Christians will rule the world!!!!! I must now blame everything you christians have never done before on you so people will hate you for your religious beliefs!!!! RELIGION IS EVIL!!!

we have no position of authority we are just simply supporting Ron Paul who we agree with on the issue's and happen to all like get over it son.

Yes, I think extremists are dangerous.

You think Catholics are dangerous. We get it.

The Constitution was designed to restrain government.

It is then the responsibility of individuals to restrain their own selfish desires and appetites that are the source of all conflict in any society.

James: 4:1 Where do the conflicts and where do the quarrels among you come from? Is it not from this, from your passions that battle inside you? 4:2 You desire and you do not have; you murder and envy and you cannot obtain; you quarrel and fight.

It is possible for any society on Earth to develop a culture of restraint. A good example of this is the Japanese culture that embraces I believe a kind of ancestor worship called Shintoism but also has a national moral code that seeks to attain to good behaviour. The Japanese society is very restrained and what one would term civilised. One of the factors contributing to this is the homogeneity of that society.

The Islamic societies all follow a moral code that aims to restrain the passions of the flesh. The ancient Greek and Roman societies followed codes of behaviour such as Stoic and Epicurean teachings that aspired to a moral good and aesthetic beauty. I believe the men who founded the American republic were very familiar with these teachings as evidenced by the symbolism of the many sculptures in Washington D.C. with Roman or Greek provenance.

Every human being has a conscience, the ability to know the difference between good and evil. This conscience however must be trained by the culture into which one is born and the highest good one may attain to within that culture is the highest good that is recognised by that culture.

Different cultures have placed differing emphases on what is good and what is evil. In our own past our forefathers held courage, honour and duty in very high regard. These may be termed masculine virtues although they may be demonstrated in any of the sexes. Today the virtues held in high esteem are probably tolerance, generosity and compassion. These are generally perceived as nurturing feminine virtues but once again may be seen in either of the sexes.

The most obvious moral characteristic of modern Western culture is relativism and confusion due to the merging of so many different cultures from all parts of the Earth and the apparently conscious effort to homogenise them around the the lowest common denominator that happens to be materialism and consumerism. Even the word "morals" has been changed to the word "values" to conform to this effort. This shared culture has a very low standard of behaviour and as people are acculturated to it the societies in which it rules are becoming increasingly disordered and depraved. They are being ruled collectively by the very desires and passions of the flesh that the apostle James warned against.

The Christian religion naturally holds the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ to be authoritative in regard to personal behaviour. What many do not realise is that these teachings such as the Sermon on the Mount are a description of what a disciple of the risen Lord Jesus Christ is changed to conform to when they have received the Holy Spirit and have been born from above into the New Creation, the Kingdom of God. The teachings are impossible to follow by the mere force of the natural will. They require a complete change of nature and character. As such they are a source of frustration to the natural man and more likely to create a hypocrite than a saint. This is true also of the Law of God which is spiritual and cannot be obeyed by the natural mind and will. The foundation of the Law and the Gospel of the Kingdom is Love, the agape Love of God who is Love. This standard is far above anything known in this world.

In other words the doctrines of Christ are not of this world but are those of the coming Kingdom of God. As He said "My Kingdom is not of this world". His Kingdom has been coming for the past two thousand years and it comes only into the hearts and minds of those who follow on to know Him, the King, the Lord Jesus Christ in the fellowship of His sufferings that we might also know Him in the power of His resurrection. This is the purpose of the Christian faith.

The Christian religious system that is constituted in the many Christian churches with their dogmas, doctrines, rituals, observances, hierarchies, man made traditions, building programmes, church services, worship singing, clubs, societies, missionary outreaches, television networks, businesses and celebrity culture surrounding many ministries is simply another institution of the world system of which the Lord Jesus said His Kingdom did not consist.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Hitler was an occultist and a catholic...

unfortunately, today most people equate Catholicism and Christianity--hence the confusion.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html


Hitler in fact hated Christianity. He called it "the heaviest blow that ever struck humanity".

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

And the Chritianity he hated

was Catholicism.

Why downvote that?

How many Catholics did he kill?
Or were those simply "Christian" priests and nuns?

Don't know where you got

your whacked out history books.

here's pictoral proof that hitler was catholic


this is common knowledge. not sure why you are trying to deny it.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

This has definately gotten my attention.

Should we dig a little deeper before jumping to conclusions?

Don't forget that Pius the XII did help the Jews and that Catholics were severely targeted by Hitler. So we are getting conflicting history accounts.

Hitler was very image conscious, just like all our politicians. And every level of any organization can have bad apples. Remember that Hitler had entire movies made to show how wonderful and happy his concentration camps were.

yes, i know what you mean

i once asked my husband, "how can we know which history is true?". he replied, "well, i guess you look around and see how much of it lines up with what we see happening today." i've read many, many books on catholicism throughout history and i personally am convinced that hitler was indeed catholic. it's hard to reconcile that when you know a lot of nice catholics or have seen movies like "the sound of music", but too many things line up in my opinion. of course, you're entitled to disagree. some (but not all) authors on this subject that i've read are avro manhattan, edmund paris, charles chiniquy, john foxe, and alexander hislop.

with all i've seen about one worlders, they always try to cover their bases. if it means making it look like they're the good guys, they will.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Unfortunately, there is also truth in the saying

that the corruption of the best is the worst.

Henry VIII was the "Defender of the Faith", etc. And there are plenty of Catholics who have been high ranking Communists, Politicians, on and on.

But that does not make the Catholic Church evil anymore than the bad guys in our government make America evil.

It would not surprise me in the least if there are powers in the Vatican that are using worldly power to do evil. And I assume there will always be the Judases.

Have you considered reading any official documents of the Catholic Church for yourself? I've gotten to the point where I'm not sure of any "historians." Even the best intentioned don't get the facts straight sometimes. I feel safer with ideas. And in the end it is the ideas that really matter because those are what shape OUR world and future. Without the ideas the past means nothing other than a series of experiences by other people.

This thread matters here- not because what George Washington actually said- but rather, because a civilization must have a basic moral baseline or set of ideals on which it agrees.

I think this is trying to be clarified in the movement. A common ground must be found on a very deep level.

Freedom is the theme. What is freedom. Freedom from what. Freedom to do what. Etc.

Have you considered reading any official documents of the Cathol

i'll do that and get back to you--it'll probably take a few weeks :)

I do know that my major disagreement with the Catholic church is how a person gets to heaven. i think this is THE MAIN ISSUE because life on earth is so short compared to eternity. no matter what i do on earth it means nothing if i don't end up in heaven when i die. know what i mean? If you want to know what I believe about this you can listen to this sermon...


i think you'll find it thought provoking and not in line with the majority opinion, nevertheless it is biblical. Jesus said "narrow is the way that leads to life and few there be that find it."

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Listened to your link

Agree somewhat, but would say that morality is not so personalized and subjective that anyone who lives by his own conscience is thereby justified.

The Summa Theologica of St. Thomas Aquinas is the standard of Catholic Doctrine, but I will have to acknowledge that I have not yet read it. You have re-inspired me to do so. (To think that the Daily Paul would send me there!) Thank you for that.

i still plan to read some "official writings",

but the more i've thought about it, the more i've come to realize that what people SAY is unimportant compared to what they DO. as an abusive father can say all day long, "i love you", and it means nothing, so has history shown us that no matter what the 'church' has said, it has done monstrous things. the known ones are so horrible, there is no telling to what depths of depravity the unknown ones descend.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

the point is...

that NOONE lives up to his own standard--therefore God is just and right when he passes sentence and correct when he says "all have sinned"

thanks 4 listening.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

I found this title of one of

I found this title of one of the pictures interesting: Hitler signing his autograph for a Christian fan.



like to point out Rick Santorum is a Roman Catholic

and i'd like to point out that Ron Paul is a Christian. to be exact he is a southern baptist.


Your point?

Paul's views are far closer to Catholic doctrine than Santorum's.

Never said 'Catholics are bad', just that Catholicism does not

equal Christianity. Read some history--the Roman Catholic system has persecuted true Christians all through the ages. read an original edition of Foxe's Book of Martyrs, read The Martyr's Mirror, and many other such books. I know a lot of nice, sincere Catholics, but that does not mean the organization they belong to is nice and sincere. I, for one, am tired of having the Vatican's crimes pinned on me. True bible-believing Christians would not kill or torture someone for merely disagreeing with them.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

That's nonsense.

The first Christians were Catholics. A Christian is merely a follower of Jesus Christ. Protestants were just as brutal as the Catholics. Let's not forget how the British treated the Irish, for example.

that's nonsense

the first Christians were Christians. read 'the trail of blood' if you really want the truth. if not, i can't help you.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

That is correct AND if it

weren't for Catholics protecting the Christian tradition for centuries, you wouldn't even know who Jesus Christ was. How soon we forget.

Oh well...

Send more downvotes my way.

The first "Christians" were Jews.

Isn't language fun?