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Why Religion and Morality I think Ron Paul knew this as well.

A interesting website I found and would like to share.
I believe Ron Paul knew this as well.

WARNING this might offend some anti religion or anti moral viewers


below is a part quoted from link below

Why Religion and Morality

In 1776, the year Thomas Jefferson drafted the Declaration of Independence, John Adams wrote to his cousin, “It is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand.” There it is again. Why did the Founding Fathers keep pointing back to these fundamental building blocks? Adams himself answered that question in 1798, while serving as president: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

There is the answer! They kept referring to religion and morality because, as Adams said, our Constitution was made only for moral and religious people! Now the question is, why? Why was the Constitution written only for moral and religious people? Why was it inadequate to the government of any other?

Alexis de Tocqueville’s 19th-century observations on the American republic answer this critical question. After touring America for two years in the early 1830s, he returned home to France and wrote his political classic, Democracy in America. Like the Founding Fathers, Tocqueville acknowledged that religion and morality were indispensable to the maintenance of the American republic. Why indispensable? He said that while the constitutional law of liberty allowed Americans complete freedom to do as they pleased, religion prevented them from doing that which was immoral and unjust. In short, Tocqueville surmised, liberty could not be governed apart from religious faith, lest there be anarchy.

Without the moral restrictions of a higher spiritual law, the liberty afforded Americans in the Constitution would be abused. George Washington knew that! So did the rest of the Founding Fathers. That’s why they kept harping on religion and morality. They did not want to see the United States of America self-destruct.

The success of our Constitution does not depend on which political party we belong to—it depends on how biblically spiritual we are!


-Ron Paul

My faith is a deeply private issue to me, and I don’t speak on it in great detail during my speeches because I want to avoid any appearance of exploiting it for political gain. Let me be very clear here: I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.

It is God Who gave us life. As He is free, so are those He created in His image. Our rights to life and liberty are inalienable.



"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.

John Hancock
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
--History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.

George Washington
1st U.S. President

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.

Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

John Dickinson


Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.27

[Governments] could not give the rights essential to happiness… We claim them from a higher source: from the King of kings, and Lord of all the earth.28

granted not all founding fathers had a religion or had a different religion but a lot were Christians.

and some extra sites if interested in reading.
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkJwwtxGJMs i found this to be a good video. added this here June 25,2012 at 8:00pm

2. http://www.americanheritagealliance.org/heritage7.htm

3. http://americanpatriotseries.blogspot.com/2011/07/faith-of-o...

also a interesting part of a Ron Paul news letter.

The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity. ~ Ron Paul

The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders' political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government's hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation's history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people's allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation's Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.

December 30, 2003

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.

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Very good 1controversialchick

Very good 1controversialchick I agree with you.

Oh so you don't like how the

Catholics interpret the Christian creation myth? They are the "problem"? How many Catholics in America? Over 60 MILLION. There are BILLIONS of Catholics around the world. You two are fabulous representatives of the Liberty Movement. I hope some of you are getting my point with all this. We have a very, very, big problem in the Liberty Movement.

No, I don't like how catholicism denies people the right to

freedom of conscience. your comment makes little sense. could you please clarify?

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Please research this better

with an open and fair mind.

Separate the teachings from the failings of some of it's members.

The Catholic Church is the single greatest defender of freedom of conscience. However, it can not say that all things are equal; that wrong is right and black is white. It's purpose is to teach the Truth. Christ said "He who is not with Me, is against Me." Obviously, there are going to be times when certain people disagree with Him. Then a decision must be made. Which side to take. The Church must defend His teachings even when it is unpopular.

The Catholic Church can not say human sacrifice is okay. It can not condone pirates or terrorists. (I'm not talking about the modern versions of these wrongs either.) And, yes, there are "religions" that teach these things and consciences so warped that these things are considered virtues.

i have studied much on this subject,

i was even told by a very nice priest that people SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED to turn their backs on the 'church'. so, that's why historically, they've used force to keep people in line.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

What have you studied exactly?

I do not think you can say that the Church itself has used force. And certainly, I don't think that you can say that it teaches that it is okay to force anyone to profess what they do not believe.

However, I think it may be true that the Church has allowed government entities to imprison or even kill those who were considered threats to the people or government because of their religious beliefs.

If there was someone on your doorstep ready to kill you because his "god/religion" told him it was the right thing to do, would you say "Okay. I honor your freedom of conscience. Go ahead?"

dude, the crusades by the church, as well as the inquisitions,

are historical fact. catholicism doesn't even deny it, although they do seem to be apologetic. read my past comments, if you want to know some of the books I've read.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Reading your tag blog

Is it yours? And got sidetracked by the current video...

If you like, we can continue the conversation.

Oh, I think I've read enough.

Thank you. I hope everyone reading this thread is getting some clarity. You didn't really think the fundamentalists were going to let the Liberty Movement stay diverse, did you?

Here is a question: if we

Here is a question: if we accept the idea that the United States of America is a Christian Nation, and that most of the inhabitants past and present are/were Christians; then why are we so far removed from the Constitution? It must be that Christianity itself has been corrupted.

I would contend that the United States of America is not a Christian Nation, because the United States of America is itself not a Nation, but a Union of Nation States.

Also, given that Christianity is the largest religious denomination in the United States and non-Christians make up a small minority, then why is crime i.e adultery, theft, murder, etc. greater than the populations which is non-Christian? Shouldn't the crime rate be at most the percent of non-Christians?

Jesus spoke out against Churches, yet the majority who decide to classify Christians make it abundantly clear that the real Christians go to church very frequently. Jesus, spoke in favor of the Golden Rule, yet the majority of modern Christians boo the idea of the Golden Rule when it is applied to non-Christians. Jesus' actions and words spoke against the use of the State, yet modern Christians, applaud the idea of using the State.

It would seem that modern Christianity is actually Anti-Christianity; whereby instead of worshiping God and his son Jesus, the modern Christians worship Satan and the Anti-Christ. There is no other explanation to understand how modern Christians speak-out for, vote for, and believe in the very things which Jesus spoke out against.

It is said that Satan's greatest feat is making the world believe he doesn't exist, but what if Satan's greatest feat is making Christians believe that he is God, and that the Anti-Christ is the actual Christ; that would be a much greater feat then making the world believe that he didn't exist, because he(Satan) would then have a Billion worshipers making him and his message stronger.


You have hit the nail on the head. What we know as Christianity both catholic and protestant does not follow the teachings of Scripture. Instead they teach for doctrine the customs of men. This has lead to a complete misunderstanding of who our Savior is and what he expects from us. Because of this deception only the very elect will resist.

Understand that the falling away from Scriptural truth is way worse than straying from the constitution and since the deception predates the "founding fathers" work then it is no surprise that this country is flawed. Without a solid foundation you are destined to fall.

As a note on Christians being the Anti-Christians I have to say that is why I refuse to call on the name Jesus since it is a false name which symbolizes false religious teaching. This may sound harsh but it is true. Our Savior was not given the name Jesus and never used that name while he lived among us so why would I call on that name.

"Who has ascended into heaven? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name and what is His Son's name, If you know?" Proverbs 30:4 NKJV

I will give you a hint Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8. KJV

Difference between religion and customs?

Customs must be founded on religion or else we are toast. That is the point of this OP, I think.

Customs are the expression of religion.

That is why tradition/religious customs can be an indication of belief. The Bible is incomplete without an understanding of context and that context is seen through tradition which is the living out of that religious belief through the generations.

It is true that many of us go through the simple customs and lose the belief. Then we can easily become "whitened sepulchers."

I think you are on the right track. Proceed in prayer.

So Catholics can't be in the Liberty


they are the ones who did the

they are the ones who did the horrible things you listed so that's your opinion on the liberty movement

oh, so most KKK members are Catholic?

No, they are not and these fine Christians dragged individuals to death behind their trucks and hung them like animals. This is recent history. Not long ago at all. God bless.

Some men did that.

The fact that they called themselves Christians has no baring on Christianity. Where does Christianity condone that sort of behavior, seriously?

By your reasoning then, one

By your reasoning then, one must conclude that the vast number of the billions of people identified as Christians today, aren't really Christian because they don't adhere to Christ's teaching that the State shouldn't be used to address -get rid of- sin, or that the Golden Rule should be applied equally, or that Social Justice of the kind administered by government is wrong, or that Adultery, torture, murder, etc is wrong, or that murder is murder whether it happens to a Christian or non-Christian.

How can I call myself a Christian

if I do not follow Christ's teachings?

The only question is: what exactly DID Christ teach? That is where the confusion lies.

If one was to desire to know

If one was to desire to know what Christ taught then they wouldn't only look at his words but also his actions. Did Christ use the State to end prostitution? No, Christ did not; however, modern Christians are therefore they are not following Christ's teachings, are they? Nobody can be forced to be a good person; being a good person has to come from within, no amount of legislation is going to make immoral people moral.

My question is: if Christ didn't use the State to end prostitution(sin) then what makes modern Christians think they are better or know better then Christ himself? This simple act of defying Christ's words and actions must be considered heresy and a violation of true Christian belief; yet millions if not billions of Christians are completely comfortable with defying Christs words and actions -therefore they cannot be Christians at all.

This was but one example of many which could be made to show a significant difference between the words and actions of Christ in comparison to the words and actions of modern Christians.

I agree.

But "Christian" is the best thing you could ever call me.

However, some legislation and government is needed to protect the common good. For example, it is better for a government to constrain thieves and murderers than to let them wreak havoc or incite vigilante activists. We could say that the government was enforcing religious values on those criminals. And we would be correct.

Some religions do not believe in private property and others think it's okay to kill people you don't agree with.

If we take this "Separation of Church and state" too far we end up with no government and no religion. Just a bunch of roaming tribes trying to survive each other.

freetoroam does not want truth, so no facts will convince

him/her. don't waste your precious time.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

or, you two just dug yourselves a great big hole.

It's true, I have no desire to be converted to your specific creation myth. This has been a very interesting conversation.

Thank you. Food for thought.

Ron Paul: "It is God Who gave us life. As He is free, so are those He created in His image. Our rights to life and liberty are inalienab."

The Constitution of the United States of America is founded on freedom, based on Christian values, and creates representative government that serves the people. It is founded on respect for one another, integrity, compassion, high ideals in conduct. The constitution cannot function in a nation that values greed and profit above all else. Bush, Obama, Wall St, and the Bankers have no use for morality or true spiritual values.

Why is God not allowed in schools? Communism begins with atheism and the government is the only authority allowed in a citizen’s life. Every dictatorship has a picture of the dictator in every school classroom. Remember when Obama was elected, he wanted his picture in every classroom? A communist government allows the people no say in what the government decides to do and no representation. A communist government decides what people do in terms of career, where they live, choices they have for food, clothing, medical care, and monetary income.

It is not difficult to see which form of government has taken over the United States of America and is in a process of taking over the world. It is a combination of greed, lust for profit, and an elite group of wealthy internationalists that wish to rule the masses of the world with the iron hand of communism-fascism, as seen in other communist nations such as China.

Obama is a covert communist and has done much with his presidential executive orders to further the cause. Many civil liberties have been lost. He marches to a very different drum than the Constitution and feigns respect for Christian values.

Ron Paul is a statesman with higher ideals.

Americans exploring Earth based religions is

increasing. Some of these religions interpret "God" differently. Some have multiple Gods to explain the planet's diversity, etc. Since we don't live in a theocracy and NEVER will, thanks to our Founding Fathers and their wisdom to separate government and religion. They knew the fundamentalists would try to force their beliefs on everyone. They witnessed their bigotry first hand. So, it would be difficult to include everyone's creation myth into schools, etc.

Did you read the OP?

Or who do you call the "Founding Fathers?"

The Puritans were fleeing a government which had decided to usurp the Church's role. This is the proper separation of Church and State.

Church teaches Creation. Family educates child. Government puts very bad guys in jail.


So why teach the evolution myth in public schools .. The Bible used to be a textbook in public school .. The ansewr is end public indoctrination and you can indoctrinate your cjildren in whatever views you want .. that is freedom

Micro-evolution has already

Micro-evolution has already been proven. And macroevolution is the system of change at or above the level of species inflicted with change, micro-evolution on the grande scale that our lifespan is to short to observe. Anything else?

That's freedom?

That's freedom? Indoctrinating your children? So your children have no freedom intellectually? Gross. I call that child abuse.


You indoctrinate your childern in the myth of evolution .. yes variation or micro-evolution is proven .. Macro-evolution where an single celled orgainsim becomes a fish over time is so ridiculous scientifically i can't believe anyone can believe it .. .So do you believe in freedom or not, the freedom to teach my children as i like .. or your way is the right way

YES. Agree re fundamentalists and bigots!

But we could honor a Creator, Source, God within and without, and honor higher ideals associated with every religion. It is unfortunate to leave most children with nothing but commercialism and ego as their only values, as transmitted by television. Perhaps a study of all religions is very necessary, an emphasis on high ideals and values for living, and an honoring of the Source of all creation.