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Why Religion and Morality I think Ron Paul knew this as well.

A interesting website I found and would like to share.
I believe Ron Paul knew this as well.

WARNING this might offend some anti religion or anti moral viewers

VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED!

below is a part quoted from link below

Why Religion and Morality

In 1776, the year Thomas Jefferson drafted the Declaration of Independence, John Adams wrote to his cousin, “It is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand.” There it is again. Why did the Founding Fathers keep pointing back to these fundamental building blocks? Adams himself answered that question in 1798, while serving as president: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

There is the answer! They kept referring to religion and morality because, as Adams said, our Constitution was made only for moral and religious people! Now the question is, why? Why was the Constitution written only for moral and religious people? Why was it inadequate to the government of any other?

Alexis de Tocqueville’s 19th-century observations on the American republic answer this critical question. After touring America for two years in the early 1830s, he returned home to France and wrote his political classic, Democracy in America. Like the Founding Fathers, Tocqueville acknowledged that religion and morality were indispensable to the maintenance of the American republic. Why indispensable? He said that while the constitutional law of liberty allowed Americans complete freedom to do as they pleased, religion prevented them from doing that which was immoral and unjust. In short, Tocqueville surmised, liberty could not be governed apart from religious faith, lest there be anarchy.

Without the moral restrictions of a higher spiritual law, the liberty afforded Americans in the Constitution would be abused. George Washington knew that! So did the rest of the Founding Fathers. That’s why they kept harping on religion and morality. They did not want to see the United States of America self-destruct.

The success of our Constitution does not depend on which political party we belong to—it depends on how biblically spiritual we are!

http://www.thetrumpet.com/?q=8438.7170.136.0

-Ron Paul

My faith is a deeply private issue to me, and I don’t speak on it in great detail during my speeches because I want to avoid any appearance of exploiting it for political gain. Let me be very clear here: I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.

It is God Who gave us life. As He is free, so are those He created in His image. Our rights to life and liberty are inalienable.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/statement-of-faith/

http://ronpaulflix.com/2011/05/ron-paul-speaks-about-jesus-c...

"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.

John Hancock
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
--History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.

George Washington
1st U.S. President

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.

Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

John Dickinson

SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION; GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA; GOVERNOR OF DELAWARE; GENERAL IN THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION

Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.27

[Governments] could not give the rights essential to happiness… We claim them from a higher source: from the King of kings, and Lord of all the earth.28

granted not all founding fathers had a religion or had a different religion but a lot were Christians.

and some extra sites if interested in reading.
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkJwwtxGJMs i found this to be a good video. added this here June 25,2012 at 8:00pm

2. http://www.americanheritagealliance.org/heritage7.htm

3. http://americanpatriotseries.blogspot.com/2011/07/faith-of-o...

also a interesting part of a Ron Paul news letter.

The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity. ~ Ron Paul

The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders' political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government's hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation's history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people's allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation's Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.

December 30, 2003

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.

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SteveO24's picture

because

i wanted to. but that wasn't exactly my comment. But Denying a god that is wrong is the right thing to do.

should Ron Paul deny his god

should Ron Paul deny Jesus and his foundation for the man he is today?
and promote other things such as not following the golden rule??

that we shouldn't have god given unalienable rights?

"We must follow the Biblical mandate of using honest weights and measures – not printing money out of thin air in almost complete secrecy and then handing it over to oppressive dictators."

should Ron Paul turn his back on the movement and deny God?

Which his foundations and advocating of Christ Jesus lead him too?

SteveO24's picture

Will you

Will you deny the Old Testament? Do you really want to go there!? What I love about Ron Paul is he keeps his religion out of politics.

ROFL NO HE DOESN'T ROFL ROFL

ROFL NO HE DOESN'T ROFL ROFL ROFL this is what i mean OPEN YOUR HEART AND MINDS PEOPLE and Read the posts i put down and understand the words.

“I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.”

he is most def is putting his religion into politics it guides him. I ADVOCATE.

Advocate ADVOCATE is key word.

and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.”

oh gosh,I have been screaming

oh gosh,I have been screaming things for nothing because people don't understand what some of the words mean I guess I have to put the definition down.

noun
2.
a person who speaks or writes in support or defense of a person, cause, etc. (usually followed by of ): an advocate of peace.
3.
a person who pleads for or in behalf of another; intercessor.
4.
a person who pleads the cause of another in a court of law.

apparently people down vote the dictionary now

apparently people down vote the dictionary now also i guess we hate education as a whole and want it re made?

or do you just hate me so much that you can't stand not to down vote anything that has my name on it?

The amazing thing about the founding fathers

....was that they based the founding of this nation on reason and logic arising out of the enlightenment writers all of whom acknowledged more or less the supremacy of God.

The seeds of the destruction of that revolution were sewn already: abandonment of judeo-christian moral tradition would necessarily mean the end of the revolution and revolutionary principles set forth by the founders - tyranny would come again.

Fast forward to today's Ron Paul revolution: it's similar. The seeds of the destruction of our revolution have already been sewn: r3volutionaries who act irrationally and illogically, as you say. Those who literally vote down the dictionary or vote you down "because they dont like your attitude," doing so purely by emotion, rather than by reason or logic.

There is no future outcome where that kind of behavior leads to increased liberty - only tyranny.

Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye,

Matthew 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

John 15:16-27
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.

23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

SteveO24's picture

you

Okay?

if you promise to accept Ron

if you promise to accept Ron Paul puts Jesus Christ into politics i'll be okay =)

SteveO24's picture

hahaha

I will accept that. Love you Bigboss you really care.

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LOL I love how all you haters

LOL I love how all you haters say this post is dead then leave for a couple days and then come back again with more bs to spout. i guess some people like talking to the dead?

my points still stand and to how the bible got in the school in the first place is a mystery to all man kind even though I put it right there in front of your faces ????????????????

My personal belief of your thoughts and opinions as to my comments is that your running scared because you don't want to be accountable for your actions especially to God.

my point of this whole post was to point out what was the real beliefs of our founders and how things have changed from then.

the atheist and naysayers say the exact opposite.
of what the other people say who each have links and proof to there own opinion.

everyone is allowed free speech and to argue there points.

We are not a Christian Nation. Period.

The Founders had a classic education and many of the authors they studied were pagan. The concept of morality was being discuss long BEFORE Christianity by most of these pagan authors. If anything, we have a country founded on a classic education, which is pretty cool.

LOL

I hate to tell you but a classical education is based on western european and judeo-christian heritage incl. study of the church and the bible.

The irony of big-L Libertarian products of our public schools never cease to amaze me.

They take the sanitized humanist history they learn in public school as actual truth (even though it is sanitized by the government) and then spin their big-L Libertarian ideas from what they learn and get from the government.

eye-roll

yep, and Christanity is based

on multiple concepts discussed by pagans LONG before Christianity was even around. That is a fact.

You are right.

It all started in the Garden of Eden and was reinforced at various points in time when near extinction events took place- like the Great Flood. The Bible is not a collection of myths, but rather a real history book.

If we have common ancestors and a Creator who has made an entire universe to tell us about Himself, doesn't it make sense that all would have a general idea of the game plan?

Therefore, even though some factions might go rogue because they feel like eating their neighbors or kidnapping wives, there would still be parts of the populace that would retain the lessons they have learned and pass on the direct Revelations that they had received from the Creator. This explains why non-Jewish Magi would have sought out a God-King in Bethlehem.

You are wrong in assuming that Christianity is a new religion which was the fruit of the thoughts and imaginations of pagan mortals.

Truth is immortal, no matter what it is called. The term "Christian" was a name given to those who recognized Christ as the God/Man that had been promised at the beginning of time.

or Christainity simply re-defined the pagans

game-plan and feel comfortable pretending it all started with their chosen creation myth, ignoring the fact that the planet is diverse and humanity has produced many different creation myths. This is healthy and follows the flow of nature. Denying this natural diversity and declaring your creation myth as the "true" one is a mental illness and also reveals a loss of faith and understanding of the myth's role.

Myth IS a mental illness.

Denying that reality matters is also a mental illness.

How can it be "healthy" to allow "diversity" and then condemn those who honestly uphold that "diversity." Sounds downright schizo to me. :-)

I think you realize that it matters a great deal which of those "myths" might be a whole lot more than a myth.

http://macdonnellofleinster.o another good point

http://macdonnellofleinster.org/page_10z9_a_christian_nation...

DID YOU KNOW?

As you walk up the steps to the building which houses the U. S. Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view . . . It is Moses, and he is holding the Ten Commandments!

Oh wow! He's holding the ten

Oh wow! He's holding the ten plagiarized commandments!? The one taken from the Egyptian book of the dead? So the founders were Egyptian!? I had no idea! Or those five ( only five tell you how to treat others)? Of course there are the first five, which only show the human in your God by giving him the trait of jealousy, a trait which the 1 and only God needn't posses because it is God. So stolen or bs.

Jealousy of God may be different than that of men

God is truth and reality. Stating that "I AM GOD" is simply a true statement. And He is our Creator. It is an act of love for Him to create individuals who can reject Him if they please. Since He is all good, He explains this to us in the best way we can understand. He also tells us what our existence would be like without Him and lays out the rules by which we can make our decision known. Then He gives us countless chances to change our minds until the final hour.

And by the way, there are only three Commandments that deal directly with God.

*I am the Lord thy God..."
*Thou shalt not take the name..."
*Keep holy the Lord's day..."

Protestant versions break up the first Commandment into two parts. The part about "graven images" was adopted as Commandment number two. Commandments 9 and 10 were rolled into one. You may speculate as to why wives and goods should have been given the same Commandment in the Protestant version.

which hand did you use when

which hand did you use when you place it on the bible when being sworn into a court? OHH Snaps I wonder how that bible got there hmmm??

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_use_the_Bible_in_court

and "the golden rule" came from the bible as well

GASP!!

these are things that have been well known by educated people for a long time.

Don't get me wrong

as I am not a hater, and consider myself to be a Christian. But it's a fact that Confucius stated the equivalent of the Golden Rule, and put it down in writing, many years before Christ did.

Oh the irony

Swearing on the book, probably one of the only books, that tells you not to swear at all.

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Hear, O Israel: YHUH our God YHUH one. And thou shalt love YHUH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

It says not to swear oaths.

It does not say to not swear to tell the truth.

Wait, what?

What is the difference?

Isn't it an oath to tell the truth?

I thought "Swear not at all" covered both.

Anyway, I happen to know that I lie from time to time, so I hope to avoid both.

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Hear, O Israel: YHUH our God YHUH one. And thou shalt love YHUH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

I believe we can lay to rest

I believe we can lay to rest that this Nation truely is founded on Christian Morals and Religion.

look all around us in our past there is too many points leading to God and Jesus Christ.

In our Original Courts, from our founders and founding fathers.The original school system set up by founders.Church and State.every states personal constitution all 50 of them mention God.

they wanted us to know about Jesus Christ and his teachings other wise none of this would of been allowed let alone been there in the first place.

even Ron Paul believes in Jesus Christ as he said

" I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate."

for the full quote look above in original post.

I wonder what lead Ron Paul to his belief in Christ that he would endeavor every day to follow him in all that he does and in every position he advocates.

we MUST WAKE UP! to our Foundings.

Blah, blah, blah. Way to

Blah, blah, blah. Way to resurrect your dying thread. You can lay that to rest in your own mind because those of us on the other side of the argument have already proven otherwise.
Respectfully,
The Moral Atheist

I accept your choice of being

I accept your choice of being a Atheist which you have the right to be in a country founded by christian morals and religion. but politely disagree with your disagreement of America being founded as a Christian Nation.

you can not say that the courts and everything else listed never happend or had that in them or that these acts weren't passed it is so well documented that you can't deny it and not be running from the truth.

Submitted by Bigboss on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 14:44. Permalink

another interesting fact of church and state.

Old Deluder Satan Law (1647)

Historical Background of document:

The Old Deluder Satan Act was passed in Massachusetts of 1647. It was one of
America's first education acts, and it required that all towns of 50 or more families to
provide an elementary school, where teachers were required to teach, not only reading
and writing, but the bible as well. Towns that held 100 or more families were required to
have grammer schools. This was a school where students focused mostly on latin and
greek. The puritans believed that if their children read and studied the bible enough, then
they would be able to resist evil temptations, and avoid sinners.

that is how the bible made it into the school system because the founders of this country wanted it there and the founding fathers never demanded it be taken out because they agreed with it.

there for todays atheists who say in a ton of posts on the daily paul "creationism myth" have actually gone against the will of our founders to teach us about morals and God. because they wanted to avoid having a generation of poor and unintelligent people.which is what we are living in today and puts the nation at risk. such as people who believe in Zeitgeist films that have been proven false over and over again.

May God have Mercy on the United States for our ignorance and hatred of the truth.