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A Ron Paul Vice Presidency would mean more than just an empty suit

If I could vote at the RNC for Ron Paul to be president and if he doesn't get it, then vice president, I would and here's why:

A RP VP would be more than just an empty suit. The good doctor would not lay down for anything. He would be the most vocal VP in history. Preaching the message to liberty to a national audience whenever he wished. Changing minds faster than ever. Potentially he would be in perhaps the best position to change some positions of Flip Romney. If he can flip one way then he can flip our way too. With his new security clearance, RP could uncover a lot too. I'm not so delusional to think a VP Paul wouldn't be blocked as much as the establishment could, but I can't stop thinking that a VP Ron Paul can do more than a retired ex-congressman Ron Paul can.

RP could have so many speaking engagements where he could give liberty speeches with national media attention. He could go places and do things that he couldn't do before. VPs in the past have just sat back and collected a paycheck, but we all know RP is never one to sit back on anything. The VP position would be a full suit for the first time in history.

Does anyone know the agenda plan for the RNC? If VP gets picked after president, personally, I would vote for RP for VP AND President (or abstain) and if we don't get a brokered convention, we can change the party platform (yes I know, that doesn't really mean much), and we can get RP a political position where he could spread the liberty message even more and become the most influential VP in U.S. history.

When national attention is forced to compare Romney against Paul, the world will see what we're talking about. This doesn't mean I would vote for Romney in the general election just because Paul is his VP, but in the least, every year, month or even minute that we have Ron Paul holding a political office is a better day than a having a retired Paul.

I not saying to vote for Romney in the general election just because Ron Paul is the VP (I'm not), but Goldman Sachs usually gets their guy elected and we all know the voting machines are rigged anyway. So if the powers that be push through Romney, then he has to take Paul with him.

That's just my opinion.
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Valid points...

Though I doubt it's going to happen. Sure there are benefits, it's going to look very starnge with Dr. Paul disagreeing with him on everything

We need to vote Dr. Paul as the GOP NOMINEE, not Mittidiot

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

definitely. Voting Paul as

definitely. Voting Paul as president is infinitely more important :)

I think you are

I think you are underestimating the evil and the power of the RNC. The scenario you describe would never be allowed to happen and I doubt that Dr. Paul would be interested in being vp under romney.

I'm only bringing up the

I'm only bringing up the positives of Paul as VP. I'm not saying I think it will actually happen.

I think all of your points

I think all of your points are very viable, and are all reasons TPTB will not select Ron Paul!

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

thank you. I really don't see

thank you. I really don't see it happening either, but like I said in the thread, if we don't get the nomination and the VP vote comes after, then I'd vote for VP Paul. I wouldn't be able to vote for Romney in the general election even with RP as VP, but since I feel it's rigged anyway, if Romney wins he has to take Paul with him.

What?

You do not understand it appears:

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Ron would NEVER accept if that were the case but.....
It isn't the case and Ron IS going to be our next President!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

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I get your point but it's flawed due to the simple

fact that he was in Congress for so many years, no?

Perhaps I do: "You miss 100%

Perhaps I do:

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"

Presidents and VPs are often contemptuous of each other

The role of the VP candidate is to "balance the ticket" ideologically or (more often) geographically to help the POTUS candidate get elected. That's why you've seen such unlikely pairings in the past, whether electorally successful or not: JFK/LBJ, Nixon/Agnew, Reagan/Bush, Bush/Quayle, McCain/Palin. Once elected, there's an expectation but no real requirement for the president and vice president to "play well together."

Romney/Paul would be stretching it more than usual, but it's not inconceivable. And it would give Dr. Paul a mini "bully pulpit" to spread the liberty message for four years. Romney would probably try to rein him in, but short of impeaching or assassinating Vice President Paul, I can't imagine the doctor kowtowing to the neocons or agreeing to a short leash of any kind.

dont know

if i could bring myself to vote for Romney even with RP as his VP..... just dont know if i could do it

I wouldn't vote for Romney

I wouldn't vote for Romney for the general election either, but Goldman Sachs usually gets their guy elected and we all know the voting machines are rigged anyway. So if the powers that be push through Romney, then he has to take Paul with him.

Sorry you can't be President and vice President at the same time

Ron Paul will be our next President.
Besides who would want to work with a guy that has to be told what
position he stands for by foreign puppet masters.

WOW!

That is Exactly what I was thinking when I read
The above post ... Kinda scarry,
"Well Said" ..;)

No One But Ron Paul 2012!
MindyNYC

that's not what I meant when

that's not what I meant when I said I would vote for both. I meant that if he didn't get the Presidential nomination then I would vote RP for vice president at the convention.

RP has been told what position he should stand for his entire political career and that hasn't stopped him from preaching his liberty message.

That Would Be a Wild Campaign

Ron Paul would draw an audience of 10,000 wherever he went. Romney would draw his obligatory 200 bound elected officials.

Ron Paul would talk about stopping the wars as Romney talks about building more bases around the world. RP would talk about getting rid of the Fed, getting rid of agencies, and eliminating government tyranny. All this while Romney tries to convince the world that his business experience would allow him to defy the basic laws of economics and arithmetic.

Rand and everyone else would be able to say and endorse anyone/anything they wanted since anything said would be covered by either Paul or Romney.

And, if they won, VP Ron Paul would be asked if he endorses President Romney's plans to invade Iran. Dr. Paul would say "No way".

I like it.

If Dr. Paul is up to it, I think that it would be great. But only if there is no theoretical chance to get to the top.

Gene Louis
http://www.survivaloftheslickest.com/
Supporting a Needed Tool for Government Feedback:
A Citizen-Operated Legal System.

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I agree with you; however, remember

that there was nothing empty about the suit that accompanied Reagan into the White House. No member of that family should have ever been afforded so much political power.

did you just compare Paul to

did you just compare Paul to Bush?

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No - LOL! I simply meant to point out how much of an

impact one family can have when coming into the White House and that the idea of the VP being "empty suit" is an illusion because just look at what happened with the Bushes. I would be favorable to Ron Paul as VP of course because I know the impact he would have would be just as major as the Bushes but obviously the impact would be purely positive if it was RP, that's all.

lol, ok. You scared me there

lol, ok. You scared me there for a second. ;)

He's saying that VP has certain powers

Bush and Cheney wielded terrible evil power in that position.

So....Vice President has a certain amount of influence and power

Paul could do a lot of good things with that power.

Ron Paul VP would mean they are starting to take us seriously

But I'm pretty sure they will never let him near any part of the presidency. I think they've decided on Marco Rubio who will bring in the Hispanic vote and parts of the tea party who don't really know whats going on. . Rubio isn't natural born so he's not qualified. Period. But, that won't stop them from selecting him.

side note...whats going on here anyway? Why all the people with birth issues being pushed forward for candidacy?
We saw it with McCain and Obama of course. Then there was all the hoopla over Bobby Jindal. And now they're pushing Marco Rubio.
Is there no one natural born who is good enough to run? I mean come on. I mean the whole reason Natural Born clause is important is that you don't want a person with divided loyalties (like to their parents homeland) to be in the presidency. Course if their loyalty was already secured at Bilderberg then their loyalties are by definition compromised and divided.

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I first noticed the foreignor in office issue with "Ahhhnold"

when he was running for Governor of California. Had my ears perked on that one.

Without a Ron Paul endorsement Romney can't win

Miracles can happen, but I highly doubt the Republican establishment will allow it. If a coalition of the establishment Republicans and the libertarian wing of the party can happen at the convention, it would produce a winning majority. What would it take to form an alliance of the Goldwater/Paul liberty factions with the establishment? That would be up to Dr Paul and Romney, with an act of God tossed in.

very very true. I really

very very true. I really don't see it happening. It's just that I wouldn't have a problem, if I was at the RNC, voting for Paul for VP and President because I don't want to limit my options of having Paul in office for at least 4 more years.

Sadly, VP is only a titular

Sadly, VP is only a titular position. The only authority that the VP has is to cast a tie-breaking vote in the Senate. That's it. That's the entire extent of their influence and responsibilities. The VP has no influence on the President at all. He is easily ignored and marginalized. The only good that would come from RP becoming VP is that it would keep him in the public eye, to the extent he's allowed by the President. Personally, if he doesn't win the WH I think he deserves to retire and spend some quiet time with his family. He's certainly earned it.

Blessings )o(

yes, he certainly deserves a

yes, he certainly deserves a retirement and realistically the true influence a VP has is slim to none, but I think his influence at VP would more toward the American people than the president. With such a national stage, he can reach more people. I don't see Ron Paul exiting from public life because he loves going to the rallies, but at VP those rallies will reach more. Change more minds. And the result of that will be more pressure put on the lower offices of government to change their ways because their constituents will be awake. We are stronger with Paul than without.

The Official Power is Irrelevant

If the MSM started covering Romney talking to a handful of people about his latest method to throw away money while RP was saying that we needed to stop wasting money, it would make great TV. Especially with the difference in crowd sizes. The MSM would jump at the chance. The freedom message would be more powerful than the Bush on steroids plan.

Gene Louis
http://www.survivaloftheslickest.com/
Supporting a Needed Tool for Government Feedback:
A Citizen-Operated Legal System.

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I'd rather have a President

I'd rather have a President Paul, but I'd also rather have a VP Paul than a retired congressman Paul is all I'm saying.