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Is Ron Paul A Hypocrite For Taking Social Security?

There was much ballyhoo yesterday when Ron Paul, towards the end of what was largely an excellent interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe”, admitted that he takes a Social Security check every month despite the fact that he feels the program is unconstitutional. The question was asked The Huffington Post political reporter Sam Stein, a guest panelist on the show. Stein quickly ran over to his Mac Mini and published a short piece entitled “Ron Paul Admits He’s On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It’s Unconstitutional”. The horror! The implication, of course, is that Ron Paul is a hypocrite, wagging his finger at government spending with one hand while gladly taking a check from that very same government with the other.

On the surface, this certainly may appear to be hypocritical. But this idea portrays both a misunderstanding of Paul’s position on Social Security as well as the Social Security program itself.

There is a big myth out there that, since Ron Paul finds programs such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid unconstitutional, that his plan is to slash those programs entirely and throw everyone relying on those programs out on the street. The truth couldn’t be more opposite. While Paul is opposed to Social Security and other government programs not specifically allowed by the Constitution, his “Plan to Restore America” includes no cuts to Social Security or Medicare whatsoever. In fact, Paul’s plan is the only one that cuts enough from other areas in order to ensure that those programs are solvent. While opposed to the programs, he understands that people paid into them their whole lives and now rely on them at an age where many would have no other source of income if suddenly cut off from them. Instead, Paul calls for massive cuts to overseas military spending and government departments whose primary function is to hand out taxpayer money to corporations.

The fact is, Social Security is a Ponzi scheme by definition in that it is a “fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to its investors from their own money or the money paid by subsequent investors”. Social Security has long been bankrupt, as the government spent Social Security money over the years and replaced the “funds” that were supposed to be saved for retirees with government bonds. How does it buy back those bonds in order to pay current retirees? By using tax revenue generated by current workers. The fact is that Ron Paul is the only Presidential candidate (yes, he is still a candidate) with a plan to balance the budget in three years, all while not cutting a dime from people who currently rely on the program. One would think Ron Paul would be a hero to those that champion these programs.

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Aren't we all hypocrites then, to this slavery system?

Oh please, I'm sure there is millions who by no choice of their own take a SS check.
What, you think people want to take it?

Its just another step for SURVIVAL.
Like it or not, if we ended the Federal Reserve tomorrow everyone would be homeless as well as the bankers. We can't just end the treasonous Federal Reserve in a day and Ron Paul, everyone knows that.

Its a gradual process of breaking off from the system entirely. Ron Paul has a huge account with silver/gold for example.

He spends it everywhere he can, and in fact in Texas they are adopting their new system more and more. Also this system was adopted in Montana, they are using silver tender more and more. And finally, they are running now in Ohio a completely independent gold money system that has started to cease borrowing from the Fed at all.

Its a lie that any of you need the Fed, you are only told to "think" this. Several states have started replacing the Federal Reserve entirely and lending to themselves.

Are Catholics Hypocrites If They Use Contraception?

There are those that choose to work within the system for change, and those that work outside the system. Ron works in.

Thanks!

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your welcome

Ill keep downvoting articles without reading them when the intent is to do unfair harm to Ron Paul.

Interesting how some neocon gop robot folks like hannitty and limbaugh keep preaching that social security is a welfare check or akin to taking a government handout when I PAID INTO IT, FRIGGIN MORON!!!
Its MY freakin money!!!!!! am I shouting loud enough???

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You got it

I went and wrote an article defending Ron Paul in order to harm him. You figured me out.

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He was forced to pay.

Period.

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Arguably, he wasn't forced to

Arguably, he wasn't forced to be a US citizen, earn income in US dollars, or live in the US. He could have easily moved somewhere else...

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"He could have easily moved

"He could have easily moved somewhere else..."
Obviously you've never checked into this! There is NOTHING easy about it, and you're still required to pay taxes for services you do not receive.

arguably

you should leave.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
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please

:)

On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron.

why do people seem to miss the fact that ron paul is STILL

paying into social security at age 76? how is something welfare when you're paying into the same thing concurrently?

Nice Try Sam...

That's like telling somebody they can't withdraw money from their own savings account! Social Security is a trust fund, not a welfare program. It was sad to hear a senior citizen (Ron Paul) admit that they pay more into it than they receive in return. Talk about government theft!

Asking Dr. Paul to refuse his check is absurd! That would equate to a 'rubber stamp' approval of a ponzi scheme. Besides, part of the reason the fund is insolvent is because criminal politicians have been raiding it for years!

Sam Stein came across as very immature, even his own crew was embarrassed by him. Better luck next time.... Rookie!

it's not a trust fund

of any kind.
it is a tax.
nothing more. was NEVER anything more.
helvering v. davis

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
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He pays taxes too...

but considers them unconstitutional - what's the point?

they were just trying to get him to stutter

right towards the end of the interview and not have enough time to explain himself.

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RP was forced to pay into it

so no, I don't think he is.

I am pretty sure...

...he uses Federal Dollars as well.

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He is absolutely not a hypocrite.

His plan all along, has been to "Maintain the obligation to those that have paid into it" and let those 25 and under opt out if they wish on their own choice.

Gradually phasing it out over time.

Ron paid into it. Plain and simple. That obligation is to him as well.

There is nothing hypocritical about what he is doing.

He has never advocated abruptly cutting off those that the government is currently obligated to.

A related topic was discussed here:

Should Ron Paul Supporters Apply for Food Stamps?

http://www.dailypaul.com/237450/should-ron-paul-supporters-a...

Potential Annualized National Debt Allowance - a look back at 40 years of PANDA diplomacy next Pandaline

You are getting down votes

You are getting down votes because your title implies that ron paul could be a hypocrite. Dr. Paul has been forced to pay into the SS system for the last 50+ years. He is not a hypocrite for getting some of his own money back even if he does believe in small government.

It's called a hook!

I'd argue is silly to vote "up" or "down" without actually reading something, no?

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Unfortunately

Web crawlers read your "hook" and then deliver it intact as search results to millions of people who don't.

Paul IS a hypicrite

For taking SS if, and only if, hes also a hypocrite for paying into it (against his will!). I
Is a wrongly convicted prisoner a hypicrite for eating prison food or should he starve to death to "set a positive example" to all tje other innocents?

SS payments are compulsory. Taking back your stolen wealth is no crime.

I seriously don't get what goes on here sometimes

I post a positive article, everytime it gets a +1 someone down votes it. Meanwhile all the positive comments have up votes. Am I missing something here?

Luckily for everyone here I believe in freedom!

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Yeah, it's simple

People who read the article (and thus comment) up-vote it, click-happy people who don't read the article down-vote because the title implies that you are questioning Dr. Paul and his integrity.

Great article by the way, I loved it - this kind of stuff goes a long way against people who spew garbage like that Ron wants poor or old people to die, etc. We all know his ideas would be the absolute best for the lower class/elderly/etc. but many people don't! So thanks for the help!

MarcMadness LOL

...it is called (well I won't call it what it is.) Way too many folks here do not read articles...just the titles. It sometimes makes for strange votes up and down and some whacked out comments. The gems are always in there. Thank you for the article.

BTW...the title IMO was perfect in that it leads into the correct answer if anyone were to call him a hypocrite. Thanks.

fonta

Social Security

Good post. I don't know why this was getting down voted either.

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YAHOO: "Ron Paul Isn't Hypocritical Taking Social Security

Checks"

COMMENTARY | Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, said on "Morning Joe" Wednesday that he collects Social Security checks even as he wants younger people to become less dependent on it, as reported by The Huffington Post.

There's nothing hypocritical about Paul getting his Social Security checks because there are many aspects of existing in society which we may not like, but we have to deal with both the positive and negative effects, no matter how much we may work to reform the things we desire to see changed.

Paul is also a staunch critic of the Federal Reserve system. The Hill quoted him before the scheduled congressional hearing in May that he was to chair called "The Federal Reserve System: Mend It or End It?," in which he stated, "The Fed continues to reward Wall Street banks while destroying the dollar's purchasing power and driving up the cost of living for average Americans."

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-isn-t-hypocritical-taking-soc...

Seriously?

Who on earth is down voting my defense of Ron Paul on a Ron Paul site? Have the trolls completely taken over?

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