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Why I Will Not Be Going To Paulfest And Why Its Name Should Be Changed For Ron Pauls Sake; a call to arms

Sorry guys, but as a die hard liberty and Ron Paul fan that lives in the outskirts of Tampa, I CANNOT; I WILL NOT go to Paul Fest (please change its name immediately) because it will be an embarrassment to Ron Pauls 2012 campaign within the Republican party and even he knows it which is most likely the reason for Bentons statement of Ron Paul NOT GOING TO PAULFEST (he cant be seen with GJ or schiff who will be speaking there).

I had saved up for 2 three day VIP passes and planned on going out and screaming my lungs out for Ron to show the establishment status quo neocon shmucks that they CANT hold a candle to him and his message in comparison. However, with recent invitations going out to Gary Johnson and Peter Schiff (who prematurely endorsed GJ) will be there and have speaking slots.

The Paulfest has really thumbed their nose at Ron Paul and ALL of us Ron Paul supporters. I cant believe the shortsightedness of those who are running this thing. I understand Gary is a great guy, I personally would choose him should Paul somehow NOT win the nomination, but to throw in the towel before the fat lady sings? Cmon now? That is what the establishment WANTS (maybe they have some hand in this some freakin how by a longshot).

They would love for there to be ANYTHING to bash Paul for cause they know that delegates ARE NOT BOUND by petty state convention rules. They stated in 08 "delegates may vote their conscious and are free agents on any ballot without recognition of any binding". You know what they will be badmouthing about? Nothing credible unless we give them something. Do not feed the RINOs or they will steal the nomination FOR GOOD with this.

They will say "hey look its the end of the Revolution lol@Paul for having libertarian candidate and endorser at his festival!!! see he really is a sellout and will endorse Gary Johnson if he doesnt win the nomination, what a sore loser make sure you DONT vote Ron Paul so that ALL the ron paul people leave the GOP already and we can go back to warmongering in peace"

Please, as a REAL Ron Paul supporter do not attend a Ron Paul fest that is Ron Paul in name only since he WONT EVEN come to it now because of who all else will be there. No different than a RINO (republican in name only). I understand the GOP have treated us HORRIBLY and DISGUSTINGLY this whole way, but the steps to winning are first they laugh at us (check), then they fight us (check), then WE win (pending). Itd be awesome to have a party for all of us RON PAUL supporters, but if that means we need to save that party in our pants till after the convention then so be it, I can wait 1 more day to do so, IVE WAITED 5 years for RON PAUL TO WIN IM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY RUIN HIS CHANCES AT THE LAST GODDAMN SECOND LIEK THIS.

Personally, I would go up against my own party (republican) just for Ron Paul, dont dare doubt that for a second and think I wont do my best to protect him from a different threat. I know Gary Johnson isnt our #1 enemy (hes more of a ally in the cause of liberty to be honest), but as long as Ron Paul has 5 states (which he does) and is on the ballot and has a speaking slot (which I bet my life on will be announced as we get closer and all the delegates have been selected the RINOs just wanna keep saying rMoney is the nominee so that RP will have no credibility at state conventions and can win more rMoney delegates easier), WE ARE STILL IN IT TO WIN IT. Not hand off ALL THE TOTAL ACCUMULATION OF WORK, SWEAT, TEARS, MONEY that we have all so generously poured into this effort, only to have it ruin us at the end.

We are better than this, we are smarter than this, its why we are ALL ON RON PAULS SIDE CAUSE WE HAVE A WORKING BRAIN BETWEEN OUR EARS. This is about RON PAUL AND until the RNC convention proves us and Rons message wrong by ... you guessed it ACTUALLY nominating rMoney. Until then rMoney is just a presumptive egotistical neocon that HAS NOT WON THE NOMINATION.

Dont do me the favor because personally I dont give a frick about me. DO RON PAUL THE FAVOR. Make Ron Paul look like the most amazing person to step into the ring the past 100 years. WE HAVE TO LEVERAGE RON PAULS GOOD NAME and nobody elses if we want to win this.

We will all be in Tampa. The MSM and the GOP CANNOT BLACK US OUT WHEN WE OUT NUMBER THEM a million to one in Tampa. Rise up RONbots. DO NOT GIVE UP ON PAUL. DO NOT GIVE UP ON AMERICA. We need now more than ever to stand for what we believe and as long as Ron Paul is still awaiting the delegates decision on the floor of the RNC in Tampa, ITS NOW OR NEVER good ol Doc AINT GETTING YOUNGER. Do not spit on his long arduous efforts to claim POTUS for ALL OF US.

DO NOT WEAKEN OUR STATUS IN THE GOP BY THWARTING OUR EFFORTS, this is almost benedict arnold status. If you want Gary Johnson so bad why dont you marry him? jk that was just my attempt to bring humor to this very serious situation we all need to step up to the plate and hit a home run in the bottom of the 9th, 1 man on base, 2 outs, 2 strikes, down by 1.

But in all seriousness, have courtesy and respect for Ron Paul; his candidacy depends on it. Please if you are a die hard GJ fan wait atleast till 2 seconds after the nomination to hop on his bandwagon should that be the route you choose. I want to run for congress in 2014 (first year of eligibility) and if we dont have these inroads in the GOP I will not beat the RINO who voted cispa sopa pipa ndaa if yall up and leave. Im an honest son of a preacher man (lol at that song) and money cannot buy me. The future of our movement as the GOP HEAVYWEIGHT is coming, believe me I have true grit and Im a third or fourth the age of these old guard status quo establishment neocons and i see them for exactly what they are. VIVA LA MF REVOLUTION

PS I will go if they reverse these bad decisions even if Ron doesnt come, but he most likely WILL come should they DO THE RIGHT THING. :)

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The cause for Liberty is too important to have

squabbles about PaulFest. While I openly admit that I do have some reservations about it, I encourage anyone who thinks it is a good idea to follow through with it and go; just be careful and look out for each other. Someone suggested a DP MeetUp there. That's something I could support. Anything that keeps us motivated to fight for Liberty should be encouraged. But, fight the good fight and don't look for trouble because you will surely find it in a blink of an eye.

Most of all, I would hope our veterans will turn out in very large numbers and, together with Ron Paul supporters, join in the Veterans March on the RNC in a memorable tribute to Dr. Paul.

Please check this out:

http://www.dailypaul.com/248095/an-urgent-appeal-to-our-vete...

Thanks.

Has it really Come to This?!

I completely understand the author of this articles point of view. Yes, Dr Paul is still in this race. Yes I will be attending his rally as well. However the Paul Fest (Name changed or not) is bigger than just supporting one man or candidate.

This R3VOLution is bigger than a presidency. In fact, should Dr Paul win the presidency...what can he truly change besides military policy as the commander in chief? We need to win the hearts and minds of The House and the Senate, we need to win the hearts and minds of our fellow countrymen and voters. This is how you implant and move forward a true revolution.

I saw a link in the discussion below, referring to the 1068 Democratic convention that shocked the country.

A police state and thier tactics you say? What if this...

What if this gathering stands for Constitutionalism and Liberty...based on the principles of Ron Paul.

What if it is and remains a peaceful gathering of open minded American Citizens in search of a way to spread the ideals of our founding fathers and stance against a corrupt two political party system.

What if during this peaceful organization, a police state tactic is implemented against innocent civilians...

Democracy then, is in question not to American Citizens, but as the Leading Nation in the World, it becomes questionable to ALL!

This is not the time to split ways, we all believe in the same principles, we all want this country back on track. We all want to display peacefully the MIGHT of an IDEA WHO'S TIME HAS COME!!!

I'll be attending BOTH...I hope that ALL of you, making the trek to Tampa, from all across the country, do not lose sight of why we are where we are.

I am so pleased that a few (consent or not) could overcome such gigantic obstacles to even put on such an amazing and unprecedented event in the name of Constitutionalism, and Liberty via the beliefs and relentless persuit of the ideals of one of the (IF NOT THE) greatest men of our time.. Dr Ron Paul.

Decide for yourselves!!!

For Liberty!

Viva la R3VOLution!!!

The name Libertyfest would

The name Libertyfest would work just as well.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

They should be careful with use of "name and likeness"

In most states, you can be sued for using someone else's name, likeness, or other personal attributes without permission for an exploitative purpose. See Personality Rights or 'Using the Name or Likeness of Another'.

The right of publicity, often called personality rights, is the right of an individual to control the commercial use of his or her name, image, likeness, or other unequivocal aspects of one's identity.

Personality rights are generally considered to consist of two types of rights: the right of publicity, or to keep one's image and likeness from being commercially exploited without permission or contractual compensation, which is similar to the use of a trademark; the right to not have one's personality represented publicly without permission.

I'm not so sure about that.

I don't think that applies to a public figure in this particular case. To have that public figure's image or name used to "promote" the ideas that figure stands for doesn't seem like a case which needs permission. A private citizen, yes, but not a public figure.

I could be wrong. But, I would think if you are correct, Dr. Paul would have asked them to change the name long before now.

I can tell.

Just look it up dude. Keyword "Commercial".

They are Taking Advantage of Dr. Pauls Graciousness

I just think they crossed the line when they used his name - let alone his likeness.

I was wondering the same...

Did they seek permission? Are they compensating Ron Paul for using his name to market their event?

Or, are they just doing it, knowing humble Ron Paul probably won't go after them...

Its the NAME not the EVENT

Putting Paul in the name is like giving the Romney and Obama team everything they want on a silver platter.

This is such a serious game we are playing here and the unofficial "Paul"Fest is a major negative against what everyone has been trying to do.

The Paul name needs to be removed from the title.

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WHAT???

I am driving 800 miles to go to this and you can't support it in your own back yard?

Really??

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

What an absurd OP...

Inviting Gary Johnson to Paul Fest hurts Paul's chances at being nominated how exactly? This is aside from the fact that he has no chance, as anyone with basic math skills now understands.

Anyway, PaulFest could be a wonderful event that helps spread the message, and I hope it's as big as possible.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

It hurts Dr. Paul's chances

at converting delegates. If the press PR machine grabs the story and associates Paul supporters with PRO-CHOICE libertarians, that will be enough to do grave harm to Dr. Paul's chances.

Spreading the word of Liberty

It does not matter what this event is called.

If 10,000 people show up and half of us speak about Ron Paul and our message, the other half just might learn a thing or four.

This is more effective than going door to door trying to convince republicrats why occupying foreign nations is wrong. The GJ and other "liberty-minded" folks just might be more open to our message.

Be an optimist, not a pesimist. Come 2016, we will need as many people on board with us as possible. Please utilize this event in the best way that you can. It can be peaceful, it can be fun, it can be educational, and it can bring more people to the true meaning of Liberty.

Lastly, we are the r3VOLution. It is up to us to shape this event to be the most fun-filled memorable event of our lifetime. Don't forget to take many pictures for your scrapbooks :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Amen

It would have been so simple...they could have just uninvited Johnson, no big deal. The fact that they insist on him, even though its cutting deeply into ticket sales, tells me that this is NOT about gathering in support of Dr. Paul at the RNC.

I agree with the OP

Seriously with the Libertarian party officially sponsoring the event, GJ et al speaking and RP not even attending this "PaulFest" has totally lost all possible meaning of getting Paul on the Republican ticket. Now everyone will see this entire effort as getting Libertarian candidates some air time. Ugh... seriously - drop GJ, drop PS drop the party sponsorship and get the real liberty supporters to celebrate RP and his ideals.

My Goodness People!

I'm probably wasting my time with all this irrationality...but..
Ron Paul is the theme!! Almost all of us were brought to liberty through Ron Paul. Ron Paul is retiring. Therefore it is fitting to have a big awesome party before the last event of his last run. HE AND HIS CAMPAIGN are refusing to commit to speak at the event because of some political bull crap; so we refuse to go have an awesome time with liberty lovers coming from across the country!?!? THIS IS ONCE IN A LIFE TIME! Philosophically (Grading on a curve) I am far away from agreeing with Gary Johnson but he is speaking because he is a big name, SO WHAT?! And I don't even know what the heck all this peter schiff complaining is about; have you heard his radio show or heard him speak, anywhere?! He is a big ally.

Stop being a bunch of whiners and get down to Tampa and celebrate. THIS REVOLUTION IS AWESOME and I for one am very blessed to be able to be a small part in it.

Mises.org
Know your stuff, learn real history and economics @LibertyClassroom.com

BS

Enjoy anyways.

Dear friend, as one who has given my word to support Paulfest

it's a bit late to change the name. And if I did not attend I would be breaking an oath to our greater community.

Scanning your plea, I find much to agree with but remember this, NONE OF US HAVE A MONOPOLY ON THE TRUTH. Each of us can only do what we can do. For everything I can do, friend, there are probably those who can do it better.

There are always those who would do it different. And if you say you can do it better, by the authority vested in us by God, you are hereby self-nominated to go do it.

We don't ask permission. We don't hesitate. We don't wait for somebody else to do it. When we decide as individuals that something needs to be done, we do it. If it seems like a good idea, others of us will do it with you. If Paulfestival doesn't seem like a good idea to you, I personally ask that you actively or passively hope for our safety, all of us so that we might learn together in the future. So I call with you to our arms and to our legs and to our bodies and to our minds and hearts and spirits that we each have joy and clarity and inner guidance. That we have confidence in each other as we gather to learn from one another along with our youth.

And a special blessing on our children. They have a play area at Paulfestival but there are also these ponds that it's easier for a tot to fall into than for them to get out of. I pray that we all as adults take responsibility and leadership when and where necessary. Aho.

Mitakuye Oyasin.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

It's a bit late to change the name?

Is it ever a bit late to tell the truth? Is it ever a bit late to do the right thing? Maybe this is how our nation has come to the point where it is, in the idea of, "It's a bit late".

We all have monopolies on the truth. The ultimate truth is there are many truths. Truth is like beauty, as it resides in the eye of the beholder. Many people lie to themselves, and that is their greatest problem in life. They tell themselves untruths and then expect others to see it their way.

What greater community did you take an oath to? What oath?

Ron Paul has an event Sunday 26Th, and the authority of the RNC and Tampa Bay vested in him his event, which is THE REAL PAUL FEST.

You say you don't ask permission? So you take some oath with some "greater community" that you do not name, but then you don't ask permission? Every Ron Paul sign I put up I asked permission and why my signs stayed up for months, some are still up after the primary election in June. Asking permission is a good thing when you respect property rights.

You say you don't hesitate? This reminded me of Bush, and how we got things like the Patriot Act.. why bother reading it, when it will hesitate to enact something with the word PATRIOT on it?

Paulfest seems like a set up to me. In 08 hundreds of protesters were arrested in the name of protecting the RNC. FL has harsh drug laws, and the RNC has not been kind to Ron Paul. The Paulfest gives them every opportunity to attack Ron Paul for what others are doing in his name. I bet Paulfest makes the news (mass arrests and huge problems) and Ron Paul's event doesn't get a blip on MSM.

As for passively hoping for your safety, that's like watching someone decide to steal someone's name and then hope for their safety, after all, they didn't ask permission, they didn't hesitate, they just did it, and if we didn't like it, they tell us to get another name, they've taken ours

(Ron Paul's name:

Good name in man and woman, dear my lord,
Is the immediate jewel of their souls.
Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing;
'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him,
And makes me poor indeed.

Othello Act 3, scene 3, 155–161)

You're the one who stole Ron Paul's name. You're the one who took an oath to someone (the devil) and then you have the audacity to bring up kids safety???? I wouldn't bring my kid within miles of Paulfest if I actually loved and cared for my kids safety.

Fool yourself, take oaths to God knows what, don't ask permission, don't hesititate, steal Ron Paul's name, and put your kids in the line of fire while you pander for public hope for saftey...

I'll pray for your kids, God HELP them, their parents are desperately doing things and begging the public to save them. What a desperate and dissappointing message. Really upsetting to me to read this. Now I am worried about those kids. BIG TIME.

Calm down, Granger.

If Danton is correct, and he usually is, Smugepot is a veteran. It is good that he will be there and is taking his oath seriously. You should be thankful that he is taking responsibility for his actions. If only more people would do the same!

The Veterans will be at PaulFest and thank God they will. They will also be marching to the RNC. Thank God for that, too!

I stand by my post.

We can agree to disagree Nonna.

I'm not only feeling calm, but I'm having a great day, lots of laughter and good things in my life. I thank you for your concerns.

Peace be with you!

And with you, too,

my friend. :)

Smudge Pot: May God Protect Ya

..as I believe you are marching with the vets.

A man's word is his bond, and I respect that, as do many others here.

I'm not certain what you meant by "greater community", and I assume it's in reference to the Vets for Ron Paul....Honorable men.

There's a reason that God put erasers on pencils...but if that doesn't "cut it" well then, the die is cast, His will be done.
I don't support the Festival, but DO support the vets who will be there, and marching.

There's no need for another way to be presented; it's already in the works: Sunday at The Sundome.

Be well..stay safe...God Bless

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

In fact I'm not a veteran of the US Armed services

Just to set the record straight. Interestingly the courts found it's not a crime and say you are a vet when you aren't one but in our circles that's up there among the unforgivable sins. I do refer to myself as a veteran activist and there are as many oaths to take in this world as there are words although "oath" and "vow" and "solemn promise" are pretty interchangeable words to me. I dwell under all 3. Presently I'm sworn to serve our people at Paulfestival to the best of my ability. That's quite enough responsibility for me. With any luck I'm in the air going home the second Paulfestival concludes. I've done entirely too much travelling this summer and I'm tired. The dogs are getting used to not having me around. Not sure that's a good thing.

I guess I always object to the cat herder thing. Why are we always telling each other how to do stuff we didn't think of and didn't start? At least those other folks who started the counter-paulfestival festival went ahead and tried to so something about it when they didn't like the way paulfestival was being handled. It's a freaking event. It's gonna be over in a heartbeat and life will go on. Don't let it ruin your life, don't even waste a second vexing about it.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

Interesting to Note Though

..That although you state that:
"it's gonna be over in a heartbeat and life will go on"...

You swore an oath, made a heavy-duty commitment to it, not something to be taken lightly.

There is more here than meets the eye, and although we could endlessly discuss this I leave you with this:
We will agree to disagree, wish for good things for everybody, malice towards none, liberty for all.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Amazing how...

...this post ever made it past the "mods..." I did one a few weeks ago and they censored it. all I did was voice my concern with questions. This event is like a Deep Purple concert without Blackmore. Or Van Halen without David Lee Roth. The Timing is way off as well. If it is simply to celebrate Dr Paul, than it could be scheduled AFTER THE CONVENTION! But if not, the name needs to be changed. Point I unpopularly but STILL STATE is WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT, WINNING FOR DR PAUL OR HAVING A COOL PARTY? I'll party after we win the nomination! If you have a choice between going to this event or giving your money to the campaign, please abstain from the festival and DO ALL IT TAKES TO WIN! anything eles is half-assed!

Label Jars, Not People!

Nice!

And I noticed your signature line at bottom; Creeping Meatbalism.

Does the phrase: "FLICK LIVES!" sound familiar, if not, here's a link to the "originator" of that concept:

http://www.keyflux.com/shep/090556.htm
The Village Voice; Jean Shepherd; 1956.

EXCELSIOR!

P.S.
Look for an OP on this soon.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

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2 months/19days and 16 hours! Just wondering where you get

this WE Crap! You are underhandedly supporting the GJ flame war here at the DP. STFU! A hole!

You are causing more problems than you want/or NOT WANT to solve.

PAWN!

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

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Gary Johnson wouldn't ask for donations by saying

"This is for Ron Paul" and then keep it for himself would he? No. But this festival is doing just that, promoting itself as a "Paul Festival" while Not having Ron or Rand Paul on the speakers list and asking for our money.

Please rename this thing. Gary Johnson Festival would do just fine, as both Johnson And a representative from the Libertarian Party will be featured speakers.

I'll see you at the real Ron Paul event. The free one.

/www.sundomearena.com/events/detail/ron-paul-rally

I am!