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The decline of the R3VOLUTION...

I am beginning to wonder if many Ron Paul supporters truly understand the principles and ideas they are fighting for, or if they've merely jumped on a bandwagon. The amount of ignorant and frankly idiotic statements I read on this message board lately astounds me, particularly those comments that argue AGAINST the principles of liberty (though the poster does not realize they are doing so). It seems more and more like many people here are simply contrarians and followers, they joined the movement only because it is unpopular or un-mainstream, or they found something to 'belong' to, even though they don't have the first idea what it's all about, and know even less about politics in general.

The latest absurdity comes in the backlash against Rand Paul voting NO on GMO labelling. REALLY? We should be arguing against Federal mandating of ANY LABELING whatsoever! Personal liberty includes personal responsibility - which means, if you don't want to eat genetically modified foods, do the research to find out what you can and can not eat - don't depend on the government to strong arm companies into telling you.

Personally, I don't mind labeling (saves a lot of time!), but it's about PRINCIPLE, and for all the posturing I see on here about "not compromising our principles!" and bla bla bla, I am quite surprised at the community's reaction to Rand's vote.



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You could look at it positively...

The reason more and more clueless people are making comments is because more and more people from the general population are become attracted to libertarianism even thought they don't really understand it yet. So they're just going through a learning process. And that's what established libertarians are here for, to straighten them out on what liberty is.

Yes, Dennis. You are correct.

I think that is what happened with this post.

Someone who knows nothing.

Normally I try not to be so harsh with anyone but THAT HEADLINE THIS WEEKEND IN PARTICULAR?

Oh! I was not going to sit here and not SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.

Yup: People who are just beginning to learn and don't know anything.

They will someday.

I send them to school here:

www.davidicke.com

Buy a book, kids. Read it! Share it. Have a nervous breakdown! (((Laughs!)))

REVOLUTION WORLDWIDE :)http://www.davidicke.com./headlines/57686-david-icke-infinite-conciousness-

Wisdom Strategies

Maybe this should be enough

Maybe this should be enough to SHUT YOU UP.

Enjoy The "Decline", as you put it.

AND THIS WEEKEND: WARMEST HUGS TO THE RON PAUL R[3]VOLUTION IN NEBRASKA!

RON PAUL R[3]VOLUTION UPRISING!

http://youtu.be/GuTXPWec_LU

Wisdom Strategies

And there should be no

laws AGAINST labeling a product non-GMO, no BHT, etc. And no forced labeling, as in "This milk contains no BHT. There is no evidence showing any difference between milk that cantains BHT and milk that does not".

We will not label you a scumbag, "AllPaul".

One does not has to "tag" something that is already "tagged".

Go ahead and feed your children garbage.

Feel great being ignorant. What does your milk CANTAIN? Hmmm?

Learn to SPELL CORRECTLY first. Then feel free to write.

I looked at your page: I thought you were THE OPPOSITION.

I was wrong.

You are simply very poorly educated.

Your HEADLINE is laughable. What grade are you in?

Don't feel bad. You can always improve and learn more.

When you learn to read and write, maybe you may read the labels on what is on what you consume.

If you look closely, virtually ALL BUBBLE GUM nowadays contains Aspartame.

It is a neurotoxin that makes you really smart.

It's good for you. Thank God it's on the label.

It's also on toothpaste. I am sure drying toothpaste out and smoking it could be The New Crack, only cheaper. It says on the package: DO NOT INGEST (...but it does not say: Do Not Smoke! Loophole! Horay! :)

Wisdom Strategies

WTH?? LOL!

You complain about my typo and write in your first line "one does not HAS to tag"..??! HHhhhmmmmm"??! Is that an example of YOUR (supposedly) superior "education"? Yet YOU "feel free to write"!
Call me anything you want, statists are big at name calling and smears. I know exactly what my kids eat, I know the dairy the raw milk comes from and what the cows are fed. I don't care if the milk is labeled or not and CERTAINLY do not think any labeling laws are needed. Did you even READ the post? I really don't give a rats what you (calling yourself a collective "we"...got a mouse in your pocket??) think of my "HEADLINE".
Go fret over your bubble gum, I don't chew it.
You sound like a food Nazi to me. Just don't EAT it if it's not labeled. What's the matter with you?

Please sing with me:

Join the Revolution!!!!

End the Fed. End the Wars. Problems Solved. Ron Paul.

:)

♪♪♪♪ :)

RON PAUL R[3]VOLUTION - Summer 2012 :)

Wisdom Strategies

You Don't Know What You Are Talking About.

Decline Of The Revolution?

Thanks for the laughs, as THE WORLDWIDE REVOLUTION EXPLODES.

Is this "new" to you? Because it isn't "new": www.davidicke.com

LONG BEFORE THE RON PAUL R[3]VOLUTION, WORLDWIDE AND NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

Perhaps some people are resting for a little while because it has been a LOT of work for THE RON PAUL R[3]VOLUTION (...that is The Grassroots, NOT The "Official" Campaign).

Summer Break 2012 for some...well deserved. Not the time to stop for a rest in my opinion, but a week off for the most overworked? Please take it, I'd say.

You mentioned RAND Paul?

Persona Non-Grata.

That imbecile is for the "groupies" who have attached themselves to a LABEL. Rand Paul is THE SELL-OUT OPPOSITE OF RON PAUL.

I don't know how old you are but I am sure:

You will grow up some day.

RON PAUL R[3]VOLUTION 2012

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/57686-david-icke-infinite...

Wisdom Strategies

The revolution is growing not only in America but the world

Don't worry so much about your opinion just because people disagree
about the right to know what is in our foods.
We don't have to agree on everything but we are all here to support Dr Ron Paul to be our next President we are winning the battle.
Go Ron Paul God bless all those at the convention in Nebraska
fight the good fight of faith.

The point is

That freedom holds no borders, it is controlled by no government. This 'revolution' is bigger than all of us, yet it is in each and every one of us to make it reality. This dream paul has manifested is worldwide. You have to hope. And sometimes, we must act.

Oath of Freedom
for the True north, strong & free!

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Have you ever been to a physician? Do you want to know their

credentials?: where they went to school, their residency training, how many surgeries they have performed, how many times they have been sued, how many patients they have saved and also killed, and has their medical license ever been revoked and why?

Do they have to tell us those things? Is that mandatory or optional?
These items are the same as "the ingredients" on a label. Anyone who deals with the public has to disclose what their ingredients are, whether an architect, lawyer, physician, or producer of food. This is not just a partial disclosure, but a full disclosure.

you throw around the word revolution w/out meaning it or

even knowing what you are talking about it. there are no leaders in this revolution. paul has some high-level ideas. and noonelse refers to this as any type of movement like they do with tea party. tea party has leaders, though crappy ones just like paul's campaign/campaign for liberty.

you throw out big words, like takeover, or revolution but are not genuine about it, and behave like neocons in wagging to their parties and romney/paul's campaign folks.

jj

Ok I see. It's you who are driving a wedge.

I guess you couldn't handle that this subject died so you changed the title and self bumped to get your failed argument going again and further alienate everyone. And I fell for it. Shame on me.

Ignorance just flows from your keyboard

And to bring up your failed argument against GMO labeling just seals your own label of ignorance.

First you say that corporations should NOT have to disclose what is in their product and then you say we should have to carry the burden of finding out what is in our food. How in the HELL do you expect to "research" what is in the food if disclosure isn't mandatory.
And since you oppose accurate information then they can say Non GMO on their voluntary labels and you can't do a thing about it.

Unless you hire a genetic testing lab which is just ignorant because who the hell is going to fork out the expense to find out if their $2.00 produce has HUMAN or fish genes in it. And then you say that if you find out that the product is mislabeled you can hire a lawyer and sue? Again who the hell is going to pay thousands of dollars for a lawyer to sue over some $2.00 produce.

If that is the libertarian way of thinking then I don't want any part of it. And it goes to show the ignorance of some of the libertarians on this site. Your libertarianism is intellectually retarded because it penalizes the individual and bolsters unnatural corporations and lawyers.

So much for your principles.

Not long ago ...

I posted a comment on some other thread to the effect (actually, quote me), that "libertarians are confused". Honestly, they really are.

Read

FA Hayek the constitution of liberty and the last chapter why I am not conservative. You will realize that even bothering to involve yourself in this current process is nothing more than an act of legitimizing a political process that WILL infringe on the rights of others. He makes the case that no matter what, the conservative movement will align itself with socialism in an effort to fight liberalism and nothing will change that course. It will just be slowed at times. Not even Ron Paul of he were elected would be able to change its course. Only slow it for a time. Freedom lovers who vote are like atheists who pray. The system is flawed to the very core and partaking in it, legitimizes it. After this election people need to stop with participating and actively seek a new more viable system.

Point:

Getting onboard with the system, legitimizes it.

Excellent observation,

'The Conformist'. (Call me a Libertarian, but don't call me a Conformist, uh-huh.)

As a Libertarian, I do not see this now, nor do I acknowledge, that I've joined a 'movement'.

This is an Awakening. Intellectual. IMHO. Not to quivel about terminology, but in this case, it needs airing.

An Awakening inevitably inspires action.

Dr. Paul knew it was in us all the time, individual rights, limited govt, Golden Rule, and with the Patience of Job, kept the fires burning. Who can say it has not paid off?

I as a contributor to DP come here everyday to get ideas, to learn, to grow; not to get my marching orders.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

We don't need a law mandating labeling

In my opinion, it's a perfect marketing situation for companies selling non-gmo food-stuff. They can just put a label on their stuff saying it contains no gmo's and promote the idea that unless you see a label stating the product contains no gmo's, then don't buy it.

The lesser of two evils is still an evil.

How you gonna know

if the label is telling you the truth. Especially since you are against disclosure and regulation regarding labeling. Your idea doesn't work in the real world.

You realize that it's not

You realize that it's not illegal to do scientific testing on commercial products, and plenty of private consumer advocacy groups exist for such purposes, right?

Really?

Who funds these "consumer advocacy" groups?

Well we do have

false advertising laws in this country, but as for your question, you could ask the same thing about mandated labeling.

The lesser of two evils is still an evil.

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From 1992, we already have laws about labeling.

http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformat...
Food for human consumption and animal drugs, feeds, and related products:
Foods derived from new plant varieties; policy statement, 22984
Vol. 57 No. 104 Friday, May 29, 1992 p 22984 DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
Food and Drug Administration
[Docket No. 92N-0139]
Statement of Policy: Foods Derived From New Plant Varieties
Agency: Food and Drug Administration, HHS.
Action: Notice.
ummary: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is issuing a
policy statement on foods derived from new plant varieties,
including plants developed by recombinant deoxyribonucleic acid
(DNA) techniques. This policy statement is a clarification of
FDA's interpretation of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic
Act (the act), with respect to new technologies to produce foods,
and reflects FDA's current judgment based on new plant varieties
now under development in agricultural research. This action
is being taken to ensure that relevant scientific, safety, and
regulatory issues are resolved prior to the introduction of
such products into the marketplace.

I like that.

The perfect free market solution.

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I'm beginning to wonder also. Consider this.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
- Preamble to the United States Constitution

Q: Does the government 'promote the general welfare' by requiring all companies, either local or multinational, to list all ingredients on the packaging?
A: Yes, IMO

Libertarians and Constitutionalists want to restrain the power of government. The last place to look for a remedy is the government, but this is one of those cases, IMO. The entities involved are too large to look elsewhere. The States are bankrupt. No one can fight with multinational corporations worth tens of billions of dollars. The government already requires clearly labeled ingredients on all packing. Do you want to undo that as well?

That is a preamble. It is

That is a preamble. It is supposed to outline what the rest of the document intends to establish, it is not intended to nor does it provide any legal authority to do anything.

Many years ago, Leonard Read

Many years ago, Leonard Read asked a bunch of self-described libertarians for any "exceptions" they would make in their support for liberty. Each one of them had at least one. In this respect, they were like you. When he tabulated the list, the end result, if all these "exceptions" were mandated, would be a completely totalitarian society.

Ahhh, the General welfare clause...

I wish they hadn't put the stupid clause in there.