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Need help drilling a water well

Does anyone here have any experience with water well drilling? I need to sink a 250' well in mostly sandy soil. I got a quote from a local well driller for $20,000. YIKES! (normal rate IMO) Looking to buy a decent oldie but goodie well drilling rig, OR better yet maybe find an unemployed or underemployed well driller. I'm in Western AZ. Any ideas tips and suggestions about how to drill a water well this deep on the cheap are appreciated.



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Ira,My friend

Around here we have to go down about 500 ft, So it is best to shop for a professional. We pay around 25 to 35 thousand for a well drilled,fractured and pump with pipe set. No easy task my friend ,I used to do it for a living.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Thanks ATP! My well driller

Thanks ATP! My well driller quoted me 20K with PVC not steel casing. I have no idea on how to negotiate this to a lower price, other than shop around. The area is sugar sand so the bits should go right in. Do you know any good drillers that would come down here? Or do you know where I can find an old cable tool rig? Have you got one laying around, or did you scrap it?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

BMWJIM

I'm in Arizona also and this is something I would like to learn more about.

I have a question for you.

You said:

"It is really a simple process using two different sizes of pipe, a homemade bit, 200 gallon tank, high volume pump, gardenhose and two pipe wrenches. It will require a minimum of 2 people."

Is this with or without heavy equipment. Sorry if this is a stupid question but I'm oblivious when it comes to drilling.

A response will be very much appreciated.

Thanks.

beardeus, curious what part

beardeus, curious what part of the state you are in, if you care to share. I'm trying to get a few people together that need deep wells drilled and maybe we can save some money.... Here's hoping anyway!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

I am requesting you remove this category

Now

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

What are you talking about?

What are you talking about? Well, a guy asking a question about a well isnt going to be against anything.
If you mean the farming section, this is a forum/blog site, he can have whatever section he wants. I mean if I started a forum about farming etc, there is absolutely nothing you could do about it.

If it isnt those above two, I really have no idea.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Where in the hell did this topic come from????

I'll tell you,About a year and a half ago I showed Michael Nystrom My SHTF site. The rest is history and I can prove it with public validation dates. I have the dates logged and installed that will prove that this was my idea before it was even posted as "Off Grid". Jon? does Michael know this topic was posted? You are starting to piss me off man. I am going to claim rights per date just as soon as Michael gets home. I was on this about a year and a half ago please do not try to steal my program man. I have an attorney on call. Answer or pull this category right now my friend! You have my website email as my direct contact. I would like to hear from you right away man. I am hanging?

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

maybe Ira Freeman

understands what you are on about, but I have
no idea what you are upset about or even asking
him to do - "remove this category"??

I don't get what that even means, much less how
one would do it (or why you want it done?)...

Care to explain any of that for the rest of us?

My friend Ira

We are friends off DP,His name is Michael, I will get down there to physically hook up with him as soon as possible. I love his jail time,Been there,Lol. I am always watching his back. Please do not come in new and try to understand what we have been doing here for many years. Welcome!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Give me a call sometime soon!

Give me a call sometime soon!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Pa Kettle

Had some experience with digging wells. I suggest you purchase some of the Kettle videos. :D

ps. just remember ...300 feet of well is a very long way and is a pain if you have to replace the pump or if something goes wrong down there lol ie. I heard a well driller say this once.

I do not know what the difference in electricity would be but the pressure would most likely be not to ideal imo.

I personally would not go over 100 feet.

donvino

And while youre at it.....

Get your local gas-drilling company to drill a natural gas well for ya :)

My great Grandmother had her house in western PA heated for the past 70 years from a natural gas well. Had a water well as well (BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT FEAR MONGERING :O) . She died a few months ago from old age, but the previously coal-burning-furnace that was converted to a gas-burning furnace still runs perfectly.

I bought a drilling rig in 2008.

It was a 3pt mounted rig for $3500.00. I used it to drill monitoring wells on my property for septic approval. I have sandy/rocky soil. The rig would only go about 1' per hour in rocky soil with a 6" bit. I finally broke down and paid a drilling company $11,000 to drill the well, a 20" diameter bore 300' down. I hit water at 65', but the good water was below 200'. The well produces 150 GPM and I'm quite happy with it. The casing is an 8", and is basically an ag well without the county approval for it. One of the problems with a DIY is flushing the bentonite yourself, it's near impossible without high volume equipment, hell the driller flushed mine out in about 6-8 hours at 150 GPM with a special 8" air compressor that costs $10k. I can run two well pumps at 50-75 GPM each w/ this diameter of well. While I think it can be done for wells less than 100' by normal guys with tractor skills in loamy material, it is nearly impossible in rocky soil without a commercial rig. What it comes down to is that it requires significant skill, equipment, patience, tools and not to mention the danger. I've heard of plenty of people doing this in the texas area. There are some guys who will rent rigs out there that are capable of doing this for a few thousand dollars (2 day rental). The problem is that you still need to permit the well, and most counties do not allow an owner to drill the well, or approve the permit. For a 30-50' well, I think it could be done and cased with a 4" casing in a weekend in sandy soil. Any deeper than this you need someone experienced.

I'm in Northern CA on 50 acres in the base of the sierra foothills.

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$11,000 for 300' seems fair.

$11,000 for 300' seems fair. The quote I got from the only local well driller was $20,000 for 250', this included everything, drilling, casing, pump and pressure tank etc.. I'm curious to know what happens in CA. if you drill a well without a permit and they find out

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

i permitted my well as a residential well.

You need special approval to get a casing larger than 8" here. I have an 8" cased well, but the bore hole is like 20" with gravel pack so the well flows like an AG well. I was told when the well was jetted to clean out the bentonite that the level of the water never went below 200' when pumping 150 GPM over 6-8 hours. I had a separate company come out to install the pump. The pump is a 5 HP single phase that produces 50-60 GPM. The cost of the 2" pipe, well pump wire, control box and two pressure tanks was about $6,000. The pump sits at 260'. I installed two additional pressure tanks (85 gallon) for a total of four, plumbed them all together and wired up the pressure switch and control box, and finished all wiring to the main panel from PG&E. I have about 85-150 gallons of pressurized water when I lose power, which is nice for toilets/sink, and the well pump runs at least 2 minutes to refill the tanks when the pressure switch kicks in, doubling the life of the pump when you double the pressure tanks. I saved about $3,000 by doing the finish work myself, which included pouring a 4x4 slab around the well and the wiring/pressure tank work. My favorite tool for cutting/splicing PVC was a dewalt cordless sawzaw.

So I probably have a total of $17000-$17500 into the well finished. I don't think your driller is crazy at $20k if you require steel casing. I used PVC. The reason I chose to utilize a separate guy for the pump is the main drilling company wanted about $10k to complete the well pad and wire it all up w/ plumbing and the pump. Pressure tanks are about $450/ea.

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His quote was 20 grand with

His quote was 20 grand with PVC casing, from what I'm reading here you think for that price I should negotiate for steel casings? Or, could I get along with PVC and negotiate from there? Any idea how much PVC versus steel casings would be?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

I don't think 20k is unreasonable

when considering they will have substantial labor into hooking this all up, buying wire, etc. Just make sure for this price you get at least a 3-5 HP pump and 8" casing. I'd negotiate on the bore hole size as you want volume. Steel casing is substantially more expensive than PVC, but as long as the driller is not worried about a collapse then PVC will do the job. Some areas require steel. Steel will rust and leave rust in your water eventually, it's also usually requires cleaning the steel rust after 20 years or so.

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Thanks for all of your help

Thanks for all of your help sambachio, I really appreciate it! Great information!!!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Well done!

I hope you do not mind the pun,Lol. You have it right down to the knats ass with how it works. Thank you for your knowledge. It figures out per foot in the end doesn't it?

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Have you had anyone locate water on your property?

In Kentucky you can usually have a well drilled that deep for around a $1000.00 not counting the casing.
You can pickup a used larger drilling rig mounted on a truck for around $4500.00 or you can buy a portable small unit and drill it yourself.
If it's sand should be fairly easy here is a link to one but am sure you can find hundreds of small units available http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE5dG6wChes&feature=related

that is WAY too much

Itemized cost for deep well in Virginia

We had a deep well drilled in 2005, so this information is dated, but may give you something to compare.

Drilled well at $18/foot.
6" steel casing at $17/foot
5" steel casing at $16.50/foot
driveshoe at $85
well cap at $45
packer at $145
20 foot of grout at $450
pump system including tank and all fittings and wiring at $3,729

Magna est veritas, et prevalebit. Truth is most powerful, and will ultimately prevail.

Wow, those prices seem to be

Wow, those prices seem to be about double what I was quoted. Are you in a rocky area?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Yes, we are in a rocky and mountainous area.

It is sandstone, shale, and some iron-bearing rock as well.

Magna est veritas, et prevalebit. Truth is most powerful, and will ultimately prevail.

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Shoot the well-Remove the sand

Charles, I can check but not send e-mails until I get back to work on Tuesday so I will try to answer your question in a simple way right now.

I will try to draw a design of how I drill wells and scan them and post here on the DP as soon as I get a chance.

Now on to your problem:

Sand can eventually clog all wells. For years I use to shoot my well. I used a Smith&Wesson 38 special with 158gr hollowpoints. I know it sounds strange but align yourself over the well and shoot it. The impact of the bullet will clear the strainer for quite some time. I used this method for about 8 years at one of my previous homes. Don't worry the bullet will just sink to the bottom and cause no problem.

This will get you through until you can drill another.

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

Probably a dumb question but

Probably a dumb question but how do you shoot the well when you have a pump down there?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

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"38 special with 158gr hollowpoints"

That sounds like fun!

I've heard of hydrofracking. I guess this would be considered hollow point fracking....;)

Hope all is well Jim.

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LoL!

Susan and I are doing well my friend. Our motorcycle shop is moving to a larger location and adding Moto Guzzi, Aprilia, Vespa and Piaggio to our BMW line. Once the move is complete I think I will try to pick up Triumph also.

Lots of hard work but it looks as though it is paying off. Maybe one day we will make some money. I was once told the best way to make a million dollars in the motorcycle business is to start with two million, LoL!

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

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I wish

you nothing but success with your new lines.

My father raced motocross professionally for many years. We had a motocross racing park with 3 tracks here in Texas when I was born.

He has always said that BMW is by far the finest motorcycle ever made.

Are you finding them tough to sell in this economy?

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It has actually been very good. As the old say'in

goes, you get what you pay for. With BMW it is doubly true. In my life I have owned 19 of them. I have put no less than 82,500 miles on each. But then I ride at least 40-45k per year on average.

The key is in the service. We also service ANY type of motorcycle. I turn away ZERO business. Had a customer break down 5 hours from here. I felt it could have been a mistake by one of my techs. I sent him at 6pm to fix this customers bike. I also had him bring a spare touring bike in case it could not be fixed on the road my tech was to let the customer use the touring bike to finish his vacation and return with the customers bike for us to work on it at the shop.

Luckily, the tech was able to solve the problem and let my customer be on his way to resume his vacation. This is what I mean about service. Depending on circumstances, I will do everything in my power to satisfy my customers.

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.