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The Problem with Lawyers for Ron Paul...

http://electionfraudremedy.com/

When you go there... and you click on "who we are" there is not ONE NAME listed. Just a set of beliefs.

I'd much rather see a set of lawyers, their credentials, backgrounds, etc

Having read the actual brief in detail, at BEST they are just trying to ensure that delegates will not be bound. That means there needs to be ANOTHER lawsuit to ensure that DISENFRANCHISED delegates get to attend.

I personally believe that even COUNTY delegates who can show they were disenfranchised should be allowed to attend tampa and vote. As a way to smear the GOPs face in it.

Also, there will be NO ARMED federal marshalls. Because it's not in the brief. Unless the judge orders it. But they do not make that request. So quit harpin on it y'all (as we say in texas).

Personally I love dr. Paul. I stand by his beliefs. But he's timid. And sadly we needed a bulldog to fight back at every stage, not a wise elder saying "be respectful"

As for the LFRP saying "we are taking over the campaign" while I CONCUR with the sentiment, really they are wrong to say that. What is more truthful is... the grassroots needs to represent THEMSELVES in getting lawsuits and judicial orders filed. It is the grassroots who is taking over. LFRP is just one of many helpers in the midst. that is all.

Let me say this. ANOTHER lawsuit filed by the MA delegates WILL get press.

Then ANOTHER filed by LA delegates. That will get press.

pretty soon the american public will get the picture that something seriously went wrong this time. And THAT I think is the most important - The disgrace of the GOP for their evil tactics. They should be so utterly disgraced that they never try it again.

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Same thing I've been saying

Same thing I've been saying for awhile.

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Liberty Unleashed PAC

I believe it would be very helpful to have more information about Liberty Unleashed PAC at this point.

They are not listed at all on opensecrets.org. They are the primary sponsors, apparently, of Paul Fest. A couple of their executives are associated with Lawyers for Ron Paul.

A google search turns up a few names and points almost exclusively back to the Daily Paul and Paul Festival. Can anyone do research about who their primary contributors are, how much $ they have now, etc.?

Oops, bump.

This is important, please. Pay attention.

Yes, Mary

..The "dots" are finally connecting, taking shape.

We are truly under assault...it is truly an all-out war being waged upon the supporters of Dr Paul and Freedom.

Your questions will take time...but the answers will be here for all of us to bear witness to....and finally see the truth.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Lawyer for Ron Paul Main Supporter BUSTED!

Dr K Research has been exposed due to his over-confidence he has been revealed for what he truly is:

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2586968

Make this go VIRAL!!!!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

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Hmmm

More of the same. A nube posts about the LFRP, then the same trolls go on a personal attack. I sure do miss the old days on the DP, where the trolls were identified and banned much earlier.

QUESTION 1: What SPECIFICALLY is the downside of the lawsuit (in your opinion)?
If you respond to this question, please indicate if you are a lawyer - and where you hold a valid license.

I'll start - I'm not a lawyer. From what I've read in all of these posts the downsides are:

1. What if the judge rules that binding holds? Answer: How is that different from today? What is the "loss" in that ruling? Additionally, I have and always will, vote my conscience despite what someone else (tries) to tell me to do. (i.e. I've been told countless times that if I vote for ____ i'm throwing away my vote) BS
2. The "party" could retaliate against me by throwing me out of the party. Answer: Their loss.
3. I might be targeted by ____ (someone) to be roughed up or worse. Answer: An eye for an eye.
4. ________

QUESTION 2: What SPECIFICALLY could be gained by the lawsuit?
1. Election FRAUD could be exposed, along with those who are GUILTY.
2. The rigged voting machines might be widely exposed, with a large positive potential upside - including banning of these evil machines.
3. Protection of Delegates and Alternates before/during/after the RNC.
4. The judge could provide a strong warning to the RNC to cease the fraud immediately, and follow all existing rules on the books - no more shenanigans.
5. The judge could order the RNC to re-instate disenfranchised delegates where there is compelling evidence or proof of fraud causing direct harm to that person.
6. The judge could order US Marshalls be present at the RNC to enforce those orders.
7. The judge could order that the RNC allow recording devices, and any campaign collateral into the convention.
8. The judge could order that the RNC discontinue to intimidate delegates. (like what happened in '08)
9. THE JUDGE COULD CONFIRM THAT DELEGATES ARE NOT BOUND.
10. RON PAUL COULD WIN THE NOMINATION.
11. PRESIDENT PAUL.
12. __________

I'm not nieve, but I have hope, believe that Justice can be served, and that "miracles" can happen.
Finally, I'm going to say that there have been several personal attacks made against David. I've spoken to him, but I don't know him. One accusation is that he's a "Liberal Democrat". So? There is a whole movement of "liberal democrats" called blue-dog republicans who support RP. This alone leads me to believe that these personal attacks are a distraction from the list of possible positive outcomes listed above.

Veterans for Ron Paul 2012!

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

yep

what happened here? I always envied the skill the admins keeping and maintaining such a site but wow, this place getting to be a tad 4chan :)

Nobody said that “David” is a liberal Democrat

David is not an attorney. He's a part of ToolsForJustice/electionfraudremedy.com
The liberal Democrat is the attorney, Richard Gilbert.

“naïve” is not a binary label. In other words, you may not be naïve compared to one person, but you may be naïve, compared to another.

Hmmm To You Too

And that's "naive", so you stand corrected.
Your questions, while being too numerous to be answered effectively in this format, are certainly answerable...by you, yes....you.

All that you seek is here, in the many communiques between the many participants.....then again...you don't seek answers, not really.

Your intolerance expressed towards "your version" of a newbie is matched only by the hypocrisy that you exude.

You decry "personal attacks" yet implement your own.

Here is a clue to what you need to understand:
http://www.dailypaul.com/242145/article-roger-stone-infects-...
Your answers are all here to be had....just look for them.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Interviewing Porter Davis

Interviewing Porter Davis Tonight, be there to ask questions in chat please. at Liberychat.com tonight at 10 pm and also on Ron Paul Girl Radio at 6pm Wed night. Thanks Im honestly confused on all of this;

“Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy...." Adams. http://ronpaulgirl.com http://blogtalkradio.c

They are desperate to hide

They are desperate to hide the fact that the man in charge is considered a HUGE joke by everyone in the legal community. This is why DP censors any post pointing out that 3 years ago, Gilbert actually thought he was going to get California split into two states. That is how delusional he is. And sadly..he is the BEST one of the bunch.

The lawsuit goes nowhere. EVERY single person who has a working brain and a job knows this.

That is why so many Ron Paul supporters are hopeful.

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~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I just asked them that on the site

I told them we are getting suspicious of them and asked why there are no names. I think everyone should do the same.

skippy

I predict

that this thread will be censored (deleted) in 5...4...3...

Yeah that's weird, isn't it?

I guess that's because they had no lawyers until a month ago, when Richard Gilbert selflessly took it upon himself to take on this case. By the way, the fact that he's a non-Ron Paul voting, non-RP donating, Liberal Democrat, who's announced that he, and the army of imaginary pro-bono attorneys have ‘taken over the Ron Paul campaign’, certainly shouldn't make you question his character or motives. In fact, shame on you for even insinuating that there could even be any “trouble” with the ‘Lawyers *ahem* Lawyer for Obama’ or the ‘Paralegals for Ron Paul’ (note para• => beside or alongside; as in ‘para•llel’; persons possibly capable of working alongside an actual attorney, i.e. read some stuff on the Internet, and you can be a member of LfRP, too!)

If you hire a lawyer, their

If you hire a lawyer, their personal political beliefs cannot interfere with their representation of your case. They are legally required to defend your interests to the best of their ability or they could face legal repurcussions. If you are familiar with this aspect of the legal profession, it will make complete sense to you.

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Can you please provide a link to where you got your info on

Richard Gilbert?

Debbie

I work near a local police

I work near a local police station/court. Where do all the lawyers park? Across the street by the liquor store. Not joking.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.