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Secret: Even in 2011 we weren't listening to the campaign.

I think this is an important time to bring this up. I just read the post about Benton telling MA Delegates not to file charges and how delegates should not listen to him.

Correct.

There really was never a time when the "official" campaign was running the show.

They run their show. The rest of us are Americans trying to make our country better, and their candidate happened to be the best one to do that.

When I was meeting with the San Francisco "meet-up" group (later became "Grassroots for Liberty") and doing phone banking for the Iowa Straw Poll (ah, seems just like yesterday), we never conceded to the campaigns wishes. We continued making calls independently. Two reasons, one, to a certain degree the "official" campaign always has to display control over their campaign, and two, we didn't...put it on...the official campaign to do everything necessary to win.

When I was in Iowa, and Occupy was starting, we wanted to go. The "official" campaign told the regional organizer I had been working with not to go (they had told the entire staff not to go). We still went.

We knew they logistically couldn't, and that the whole point of this revolution was to take control ourselves. So we took control of what we felt needed to be done.

The Super Brochure, not endorsed by the "official" campaign, now, can you image working on this campaign without the Super Brochure? I can't. I met the guy who made it, I was there when he came to South Carolina the day of a debate (and a rally) and we first passed them out. It was an awesome day. I met Ron Paul that day.

I've worn Ron Paul t-shirts to Green Party meetings, approached businesses for Ron Paul, attended all sorts of political groups that I couldn't have done if I only did what was official approved by the campaign.

I didn't work for them.

We don't work for them.

They work for Ron Paul's Presidential Committee.

I work for myself.

We work for ourselves.

Now we need to take legal action.

Lawyers for Ron Paul is the "unofficial" campaign right now.

Whether or not only that group works on these legal actions, or more independent lawyers start helping out.

This is a part of the campaign that I can not help with in any way, other than maybe $5 here and there.

We need every Lawyer in the grassroots to offer time.

Pro-bono for Liberty!

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Doug Wead

I like Doug Wead. I really do. He seems like a nice genuine guy who really loves Ron Paul. I listened to his interview the other night.
When he started defending Jesse Benton's work with the campaign and comparing it to how poorly the other campaigns were run, I got royally offended. Then when he specifically started talking about how those other campaigns couldn't even get on the map in certain states, I almost jumped out of my chair.
I know that at least in Virginia, and I assume we aren't the only ones, that Ron Paul got on the ballot here not because of the campaign, but in spite of them. In fact, as the story was told to me, if it had been left to the official campaign staff, they seemed to be trying to sabotage the grass roots efforts at every turn. Chalk it up to laziness, or politics, or incompetence, but whatever the reason doesn't matter at this point. The point is that the campaign can not take credit for getting Paul on the ballot!
If the campaign would just take a back seat and let us all do what we do best, things would go a lot better. Because Paul has an official campaign, we all naturally want to honor them and stay in tune with their decisions. But I think we have all learned the hard way that it doesn't work. Hopefully we didn't learn too late.

Pay the Lawyers

Tom Woods raised a good point about being moochers.
If these lawyers are supporters of Ron Paul, but would be taking time out of their normal work schedules, we should raise money to pay them as much as they ask.

I wouldn't be shocked if some decided to work at a steep discount or even pro-bono, but we need to remember that these people still have families to feed and dreams to pursue.

Did you do phone from home?

If so, did you charge for your efforts? Would you have been happier if everyone who did "phone from home" required payment (and not just payment but "fair payment" - whatever the going rate for a phone operator would be) for their efforts?

Personally, I would like to help these lawyers.

They are 100% true patriots. If need be, I can chip in to help cover some of the costs associated with the logistics of the suit. Is there a fund set up so we can money bomb these people? I got a fresh 100 unit federal reserve note I can give. But, if I am to contribute, I would like to know where that money is being spent.

Curious.

Why the down vote?

Romney Trolls

are everywhere these days.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

Great job!

Everyone needs to read this post. DO NOT wait for the campaign to do ANYTHING. Take charge. Take the bull by the horns. That's what it takes.
My guess is that campaigns, as a general rule, are a messy thing. I learned early on before the Iowa straw poll to not wait for the campaign. Will you do things they don't like? Yes.
It's better to ask forgiveness than permission.
Great job patriot! Keep up the good work!

as long as you gave donations,

you are still working for the campaign for whom you went in a different direction. and you didn't let ron know of your opinion.

jj

I'd like to throttle

Jesse Benton until his eyes bulge for what he did to this campaign with the masterful help of Trygve Olson.

At every turn they opposed virtually everything we tried to do from WatchTheVote2012 where we fought with some little turd coming here from the campaign trying to stop it but we did it anyway and compiled a massive database of fraud across the country to the belittling of the Super Brochures which got Ron Paul untold amounts of votes across the nation to the statements that little sellout,self serving traitor has made about the current lawsuit.

We see you for who you are Benton and you stink to high hell.You never ran the campaign to win but rather to sell your grandfather down the river and build your own little personal empire up.And for the record I've made my deductions from Bentons current statements,his actions in 2008, Justin Ramaindo's article and speaking with my Ron Paul State Campaign Coordinator that was left holding the bag at every turn with never any help from the campaign when asking for it and I've heard of the same treatment/actions with other State Coordinators. The whole thing was sabotaged.

http://www.dailypaul.com/210815/trygve-olson-should-be-fired...

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/02/02/can-ron-paul-b...

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

Thank you, for sharing this with us.

Going to be an interesting year for sure.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

I felt awesome

handing out super-brochures at a rally, while the Youth for Ron Paul had small cards (campaign literature).

"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_enlistment

There is no duration defined in the Oath

bump

If they loose the case then so be it - better then not trying you armchair whiners