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Rand votes for Big Agra against GMO labeling.

So...what was that some were saying was so great about this guy?


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"Maybe he never even read it."


"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

I guess it's the diversionary

I guess it's the diversionary flavor-of-the-month, this GMO nonsense.

Then starve or be poisoned

you'll feel the power of "diversion"....

How about simply grow your

How about simply grow your own food if it's a pressing life or death issue?

Food is a necessity and the collectivists use it as a weapon.

A monopoly is exclusive control of a commodity or service that makes it possible to manipulate prices. This is accomplished through governmental regulations used to enforce the monopoly. The way to break a monopoly is to remove those laws. This is simple, but not easy in the case of Monsanto, because the roots extend to international, federal, state, and local government regulations. Monopoly owners corner a market by taking control of the resource AND preventing others from using the resource.

Read more:

Quit bashing, and singling

Quit bashing, and singling out, Rand on this! Ron would have voted exactly the same way. God knows, I love to beat up Rand for his sell-outs and statism but on this issue he was totally right. The attempt to use this issue as a "contrast" between Ron and Rand doesn't pass the smell test.

Pretty sure

I'm pretty sure Ron DID vote against the version of this in the house.

And to the person that voted me down because they don't like hearing the truth: http://iroots.org/2012/06/23/was-rand-paul-right-to-vote-aga...



Eric Hoffer

I have proof that genetically modified food is deadly

A few days ago I ate some genetically modified spinach as an experiment. It tasted good, it satiated my hunger, and it gave me energy for a few hours. Then 2 days later disaster struck. Out of the blue I got abdominal cramps and a smelly, lumpy brown mass discharged from my rectum. For 3 minutes I was terrified. This side effect has never happened on my strict organic food non-GMF diet!

Steve Martin and the other communist trolls are right. Monsanto is trying to kill us! Sound the alarms! The sky is falling! Only our glorious Federal Government can save us from Monsanto. If someone else eats that spinach because it does not have a government mandated label, they might die!

[Edit] I'm not making fun of you innocent libertarians who grow your own food, eat healthy as you understand it, and try to make the world a better place through example. I'm making fun of the hypocrites and paranoid conspiracy theorists who are trying to impose their will on society. I'm making fun of the anti-intellectuals who are fear mongering and ignoring basic scientific principles. They have infiltrated the DailyPaul and they are relentless.

Fact: MDs have shorter lifespans than average Americans

Fact: On average, MDs have shorter lifespans than average Americans. Why? Because they tend to be ignorant, arrogant, and follow their own advice.

Ron Paul is certainly an exception, as he is much wiser and more open minded than the average MD, and he's certainly not arrogant.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

Dude I have done a lot of reading because of you

I wish I wasn't bumping up this stupid thread but just letting you know.

I'm still highly skeptical about the prevalence and danger of candida infections and vaccines (generally speaking of course), but you do have me intrigued about probiotics. I find it kind of amusing that you support prophylactic treatment with live culture of bacteria for immunity but not a killed/attenuated virus. The concepts seem very similar to me.

But you partially have it backwards- many doctors do not take their own advice. Doctors are notorious for being horrible patients. Many are arrogant and misguided (ignorant is strong and inappropriate for the average MD), but they are also highly stressed in their careers. MDs are not the enemy and there are MANY like Ron Paul. Please don't get carried away with your prejudices.

That's good!

"Dude I have done a lot of reading because of you"

That's good! At least you're working on the "ignorance" part...

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

More HUGE corporate power expansion on the way....


Will Rand be against this? Kinda doubt it...To the radical Libertarian all trade is good, even if it rips the heart out of America and our sovereignty.

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

or maybe he just votes

or maybe he just votes against government mandates. i hate gmos, so i shop at local farm markets, check labels, avoid unknowns, i don't need the nanny state to keep me safe.

Mandate to allow states to require labeling if they choose?

How is that a mandate? "We demand that if you want to you can" lacks much uumph.
I know farmers who sell BT corn all day long at farmer's markets. Just fyi, "Certified Organic" is essentially meaningless.


Spoken by someone who obviously didn't read the bill in its entirety.

Having good parts in a bill certainly doesn't cancel out the bad.

Eric Hoffer

*sigh* another anti-rander. I

*sigh* another anti-rander. I hope you realize you people are as divisive to the movement as Rand's endorsement of Romney.

The article says

He voted no “to permit States to require that any food, beverage, or other edible product offered for sale have a label on indicating that the food, beverage, or other edible product contains a genetically engineered ingredient.”

Does this mean he voted against State's having the right to regulate? If that's the case, wouldn't that be a vote against the constitution?


Don't listen to them. Check Rand's facebook page http://www.facebook.com/RandPaul2010. He gives an explanation. The group in question has an axe to grind (whether it's a good axe or a bad axe isn't the question) and they're ok with expanding Federal powers to do it.

Eric Hoffer

Apparently Rand has a problem with such statements...

"We do not use ingredients that were produced using biotechnology;"

"This oil is made from soybeans that were not genetically engineered;" or

"Our tomato growers do not plant seeds developed using biotechnology."

The question is WHY?? Who got to him with what promises??

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."


The question is:

"What reality enhancing drugs have you consumed today?"
"Do you understand formal logic?"
"Why do you hate the Constitution and the Free Market?"

I feel like those questions are legit considering your absurd statements.

Eric Hoffer

I think a more pertinent question

is "Who got to YOU?" to make you spend all your time on the DP dedicated to destroying the Pauls, every chance you get.
The Pauls don't agree with you Steve. Neither one of them do.

But DeFazio is now your hero.
Try Democratic Underground.

I disagree with MOST of what these groups stand for...

...but on the GMO front, they are absolutely spot on:


"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

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No self bumping, Steve.

Friendly reminder about not bumping your own thread.

There shouldn't be a law requiring labeling

There also shouldn't be a law against it if you want to say your product is GMO free. Funny how the big corporation has its way every time.

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Yes, Mike. That's why the FDA made "guidelines," not laws.

[posted in another thread, but applies here also.]
If the guidelines from 2001 were followed, there would be no....
problem. They were non-binding back then, but recommended. What, if anything, has changed? Why is anything more needed now? Just asking.
Guidance for Industry: Voluntary Labeling Indicating Whether Foods Have or Have Not Been Developed Using Bioengineering; Draft Guidance
Contains Nonbinding Recommendations
Draft released for comment January 2001

Although the 1992 policy does not require special labeling for bioengineered foods, the agency advised in that policy that labeling requirements that apply to foods in general also apply to foods produced using biotechnology. Section 403(i) of the act requires that each food bear a common or usual name or, in the absence of such a name, an appropriately descriptive term. In addition, under section 201(n), the label of the food must reveal all material facts about the food.

Statements about foods developed using bioengineering

FDA recognizes that some manufacturers may want to use informative statements on labels and in labeling of bioengineered foods or foods that contain ingredients produced from bioengineered foods. The following are examples of some statements that might be used. The discussion accompanying each example is intended to provide guidance as to how similar statements can be made without being misleading.

"Genetically engineered" or "This product contains cornmeal that was produced using biotechnology."

Statements about foods that are not bioengineered or that do not contain ingredients produced from bioengineered foods

"We do not use ingredients that were produced using biotechnology;"

"This oil is made from soybeans that were not genetically engineered;" or

"Our tomato growers do not plant seeds developed using biotechnology."


Thanks, Mike. I am trying to understand how anyone could disagree with what you just wrote, especially a sitting Senator who claims to be a proponent of freedom!

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

New GMO bill needs our support as well...

For those who understand the radical eugenics behind the emerging NWO system and the GMO part in that plan...

This just in from one of our frequent guests, Judith McGary of FarmandRanchFreedom.com:


Take Action on GMOs

We're asking you to make another call this week to your Representative, this time to protect farmers and consumers against the illegal release of genetically engineered crops.

In several recent lawsuits, federal courts have ruled for farmers and the public interest, finding that USDA had not properly assessed the risks before approving certain genetically modified organisms (GMOs). But the Biotech industry has inserted a provision into the Agricultural Appropriations Bill that would strip the federal courts of their authority to halt the sale of planting of potentially hazardous GMOs. The deceptively named "farmer assurance provision" would mean that the courts could not stop the release of GMOs even if the approval of the GMO crop involved outright fraud or bribery!

Representative Peter DeFazio (D-OR) is sponsoring an amendment to strip this GMO rider from the bill. Please call your Representative and tell them to support this important amendment! The vote is expected to occur this week.

If you don't know who represents you, you can call the Capitol Switchboard at 202-224-3121. Or visit www.house.gov , which provides both phone numbers and a link to the Representatives' online contact pages.

MESSAGE: "I urge you to support the DeFazio amendment to strip the deceptive 'farmer assurance provision' from the Agricultural Appropriations bill, HR 5973. The provision is an unprecedented assault on the safeguards of our judicial system and would hurt both farmers and consumers by directing the release of potentially hazardous genetically engineered crops. Please vote YES on the DeFazio Amendment."

Learn more about the problems with the GMO provision by reading the sign-on letter sent by 38 organizations, including FARFA.

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

Again...seven weeks ago we were WINNING THE NOMINATION

...and now, thanks to the official campaign, and to Rand's endorsement of Romney we probably won't even have the five states needed to nominate.

You can complain about my posts all you like, but the TRUTH IS the patriot movement MUST CONTINUE even if Ron Paul himself was behind the decision to go meek and gently into that dark night.

TRUTH IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY individual congressman or PAC that takes our money to endorse RINOs.

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."


Oh god.

1st paragraph: Utter and complete delusion. This is what it looks like when it comes crashing back to reality.
2nd paragraph: Absolutely and agreed.
3rd paragraph: Absolutely and agreed.

Overall Vibe: You don't have a monopoly on truth. In fact, you absolutely certainly don't, as a number of users here have explained how illogical your posts are. Most of the garbage you're posting here is half baked reactionary rabble rousing. Quit it.

Eric Hoffer

Ron Paul votes for STATES RIGHTS

Not for FDA power grabs, and Monsanto edicts.

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."