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Petersen says conspiracy theories hurt movement

http://www.examiner.com/article/liberty-champion-petersen-sa...

"The Associate Producer of the FOX Business show Freedom Watch and a powerful advocate for liberty, Austin Petersen, told a raucous crowd at the Porcupine Festival in Lancaster, New Hampshire that he believes the proliferation of conspiracy theories within the ranks of the Liberty Movement might be damaging the movement’s potential. Petersen believes liberty activists are marginalizing themselves by giving naysayers an easy bogeyman. If prominent Libertarians can be painted as paranoid nuts that rely on loose associations and black/white thinking, the entire movement can be rejected as conspiratorial.

This is a critical issue as the Ron Paul Revolution tries to find its legs as a social movement going forward. Will it remain a mainstream reform movement that is grounded in solid intellectual argument or will it become a fringe fad that dies on the vine because it fails to garner broad appeal? Petersen argued persuasively that the tendency of some in the Liberty Movement to gravitate to conspiratorial thinking will relegate the entire movement to permanent fringe status."



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deacon's picture

NORM !!!!!!!

sorry,
cheers everyone :)
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Sticks and Stones.

"If prominent Libertarians can be painted as paranoid nuts that rely on loose associations and black/white thinking, the entire movement can be rejected as conspiratorial."

The irony here is that it's the fact that people are awake and aware enough to see the shades of grey and can read between the black/white lines which allow them to quite easily expose close associations to many theories that have actually exposed a vast conspiracy.

We are not the one's who are paranoid. The ones going out of their way to illegally block and eliminate delegates are the ones clearly paranoid about loosing the presumptive nomination.

And the only ones who will be in the fringes, will be the old establishment dinosaur psychopaths who get off on the Murder Industry, as we expose them one by one. New addition: Austin Petersen.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

ecorob's picture

i thought this movement...

was a conspiracy theory!

at least, that's what the lame street idiots tell me...

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

6 Insane Conspiracy Theories

6 Insane Conspiracy Theories (That Actually Happened)
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2307/938/6_Insane_Conspiracy_...

Just something to think about.....

"Great Men Do Not Seek Power, They Have Great Power Thrust Upon Them"
www.campaignforliberty.com
www.downsizedc.org
www.whatreallyhappened.com
http://scarecro.users.sonic.net/blog/

Way to go Austin...

This should be held up as an example of how to destroy your credibility with the liberty movement in just one day. This is inexcusable and downright stupid. And the naive children on the DP that think like Austin can go F'k themselves. If they haven't figured it out by now , they never will and I have no sympathy for them. You know who you are.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

Conspiracy theorist is a dismissive term.

It can be hard to know what's true and what's false when the government lies to you on a massive scale every day. For people questioning the lies to be called conspiracy theorists is insulting and dismissive. Some people can get carried away with certain theories sometimes, but I will take that over the ignorant obedience to what ever they're told that makes up so much of or population. Even if you disagree with what someone's point of view, to call them names like "nuts" is very close minded.

I now agree with the guy. A

I now agree with the guy. A few years ago i wouldnt have. But this movement can only maximize its effectiveness if we'd just focus almost entirely on limited government and leave conspiracy out of it. But that will never happen. Some put conspiracy above limited government.

ecorob's picture

some understand...

that its all related...

some don't!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Conspiracy just means corruption.


Conspiracy is just another word for Corruption -- which we all know exists, especially in politics where bribery not only thrives but is considered legal.

It damages the movement far more by acting just like the status-quo interests that we wish to see abolished, by playing their game of "looking the other way".

Always question authority.
Never trust that "political commissions" will produce scientific results.

And never trust any member of the Bush family, or the Rockefellers....

The Movie "Conspiracy Theory".

with Mel Gibson and Julia Roberts, wah wah. I had seen it 10 years back, saw it again on Sunday, seemed so fresh / up-to-date, enjoyed.
The murderer was the bankster.

he's not helping either--

those who criticize those who question always appear to be the intelligent, reasonable ones--

and those who are questioning are supposed to slink away in shame?

No.

This man obviously feels quite good about himself--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

When there is actual proof...

...it should be labeled conspiracy fact. It is only issues without concrete evidence that should be called a theory. There is a huge difference. Many issues called "theory" are falsely labeled. And some will always remain in skeptic, because there isn't proof or proof has been destroyed.

Soooo....

believe everything your told and don't question the anomalies?

Sorry, I am just not wired that way...and I am glad of it.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

He did not say there arent

He did not say there arent conspiracies.. Just that it is becoming almost the cornerstone of it. Also we must question even the conspiracy. Theres sort of a blind acceptance of conspiracy in the movement involving "elites". My new view is that i dont care about conspiracy - i care about making government smaller.

You will never have enough of

You will never have enough of the masses on your side to make government smaller unless they know the truth; and therein lies the problem. The Tea Party have no interest in actually making the government smaller, and neither do the progressives; and that is because they are tied-up in the false left-right paradigm. If progressives realized that all of the social programs were designed to make them dependent on government and corporations for their very survival -and not to actually help them; and if the tea party people were to realize that all of those damn foreign wars, which are predicated upon false premises, are making us less safe and requiring that all Americans turn-over their civil liberties including the 2nd Amendment, then you may have the will of the people to actually make the government smaller. However, you cannot make the case for any of that without exposing conspiracies.

Have fun trying to explain why we don't need the Department of Homeland Security, TSA, The Bureau of Counter Terrorism without explaining that the entire terrorist trying to kill us meme is one giant hoax. Also, have fun trying to explain why we don't need the ATF, EPA, FCC, SSI, Food Stamps, Welfare, and the FED, without exposing that the creation of such institutions and programs was a conspiracy to enslave, monitor, and control Americans.

A+

A+

I urge you to duplicate your comment in a post. If you have time, expand it a bit. Explain to the readers that 99 percent of humanity is behind in time, disallowing us any choice but to take the long view of history and engage in thinking rather than accepting segments of history as if that's all there is, the epitome of rote-ness.

The enslavors, because of their initiations of all destruction on mankind, can and do and must do if they want their plan to succeed must speak and deliver incomplete information, a piling on of short sighted-ness, a delivery of the short view of history, a constant cut-up of history through segmented explantion (that looks continuous) or false continuous explanation or, simply, no explanation which is better than segmented or false explanation. The enslavers love the partitions especially when the individual is the one putting up those partitions (which angers me because there are so damned many of those people).

Thinking is no light mental activity.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

Jefferson's picture

Well stated

Freedom is NOT "popular" with those who have no idea how they've been enslaved.

You mean the conspiracies brought to light by people

Like us not accepting the word of the power elite?
What about these:

Elitists tied together by strong bonds:
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/04/18-venn-diagrams-showing...

Or this one, uncovered by Ron's push to audit the fed:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-23/fed-s-once-secret-d...

Or perhaps this is the conspiracy he was speaking of, one in which Christopher Story gave his life uncovering:
http://legacy.wallstreetsurvivor.com/CS/forums/t/42626.aspx

We forced this out into the public view:
http://ampedstatus.com/the-wall-street-pentagon-papers-bigge...

Perhaps it was the health conspiracies we wouldn't shut up about:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20015982-10391695.html

Crazy conspiracy theorists force the uncovering of harmful Fluoride in water affecting 1 in 3 children:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vaERfTZTSo&feature=email

In his line of work, being paid to produce propaganda for the state it is not recommended to ask questions or pose issues before an elitist that would embarrass or implicate them in any way their involvement in a crime. Most Americans with their heads in the sand can barely grasp the concept of fantasy football, let alone the facts surrounding a Washington coup and the players that they elected being bought off by world bankers specifically to line their pockets at the expense of the people that pay their salary, which doesn't even compare with the bribes from corporations and sometimes foreign governments. While no political campaign can benefit from conspiracies, even the mention of such can destroy a campaign as proven by Beck when he destroyed Debra Medina in Texas for stating the fact that she did not know what happened on 9/11 and stated that the families with questions should have those questions answered. The one point that this media mogul forgets is the fact that there are conspiracies in every campaign, be it a left wing or right wing conspiracy, the only thing that pushes conspiracies on the Ron Paul crowd is the media, which I might remind you has never been anything we have had in our favor, and yet here we are.

There were many conspiracies floating around as to why Freedom Watch was canceled, my own personal being that the RNC and GOP couldn't have the good judge playing video of off duty police officers assaulting a legally elected chairman in favor of the local money masters, not the official office holder, nor the scene of the GOP having half wits taking the ballots out the back door, or the GOP changing convention rules to favor one person over the other, threats, violence, etc. The name of the show was an oxymoron for Fox Business, and as soon as the judge showed that he was the night watchman he was canned, more than likely via orders from the pentagon or perhaps the White House directly, but that is a totally different conspiracy.

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

Which Conspiracy Theory should we not believe?

Does this mean we shouldn't go around believing the Official 9/11 story? Because of all the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories that Official Story has been proven beyond doubt to be one of most ridiculous. Unless of course the "believers" are permanently plugged only into main-stream media - in which case they would believe anything they are told. Including such gems as the world is flat and that the Syrian and Iranian Governments have plans to murder all their first born children - if that's what MSM says!

Any way you slice it...

Whatever happened on 9/11 was a conspiracy...no matter who dunnit...there was a crime, and more than one person was involved. The MSM NEVER uses the word to describe what happened that day....

Correlation with Conspiracy Theorists and High Intelligence

ABC talk show host is shocked to find out about the positive correlation of highly educated and intelligent people linked to the allure of conspiracies and finds it to be 'absolutely fascinating'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiAu8GTxZE4

Conspiracy Is A Crime, Not A Theory

Conspiracies are actually quite common. They happen all the time. That's why the word is in the English language, it's in the dictionary, and it's been a civil and criminal charge for at least a few hundred years. 40% of the people in federal prison right now are there on a conspiracy charge (among others). BUT....a conspiracy charge won't stand by itself - there must be some other crime involved - conspiracy to commit murder, conspiracy to commit fraud etc.

The basic defintion of a conspiracy is: "Two or more people working together towards some illegal result, or using illegal means to achieve a legal result". Note that people work together, or collaborate, all the time!!!...but in order for there to be a conspiracy, there has to be something ILLEGAL going on. Secrecy has nothing to do with it, although most conspiracies are planned in secret - as most good things are done out in the open, and and deeds are done in secret (there are exceptions to this, as war is waged out in the open, and surprise parties are planned in secret)

Hence, anyone who doubts the existence of conspiracies is delusional. A judge is not going to treat a conspiracy charge any different, procedurally, than any other crime. And believe me, evil people work together all the time towards evil goals.......and they work together VERY well (gee, think about who's involved in conspiracies).. Much more efficiently than a bunch of do-gooder bleeding-heart liberals, libertarians or Christians............

Now, over the past hundred years or so, the propagandists have taken this perfectly legitimate legal term, and have added the word "theory" behind it in order to imply that something that is a "theory" that means it is not true. However, you'd never hear a judge use a term like "fraud theory" or "murder theory" before evidence is presented, or a decision handed-down, or like.....ever.

What's funny is that if you look up 'theory' in the dictionary, you'll find definitions such as: "a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena" or "the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another"......... In other words, it seems perfectly ok to talk about things such as the "theory of relativity" or "theory of evolution" and accept that they are true.......

But now the perception of what the definition of a conspiracy is has changed from "An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action." to being associated with tin foil hats, kool-aid, paranoia, lunacy, UFOs, and Bigfoot. And now, Mainstream Media indoctrination causes a "slide response" in people upon hearing the word - causing their brains to go into complete shutdown mode (other words have a similar effect).

You see....... if you and I get toegether and rob a bank, that's called a "conspiracy" (and believe me, they would slap us with that IMMEDIATELY). But when we put our money in the bank and Rockefellers rob us ....oooooh, now the MSM will call that a conspiracy "theory", Get it?" It depends on WHO is doing the plundering.....

There's no doubt in my mind that IF..IF we could EVER get a FAIR trial (impossible, I know) that we'd have no problem coming up with enough evidence to get Rockfellers, Rothschilds, Lehmans, Goldmans, Sachs, JP Morgan, Bushes, Clintons, Bernanke and the whole lot of them convicted for conspiracy, fraud, treason, and unlawful conversion FOR STARTERS. But of course it's hard to enforce something like anti-fraud laws when the government participates in the fraud....

Not everything is a conspiracy, as there must be 2 or more people working towards an illegal result for a conspiracy to exist (that's not to say that laws aren't made to protect those who engage in highly unethical behavior - they most certainly are). However..., nearly everything coming our way these is a DECEPTION. Look around you......war, terrorism, global warming, Obama "care" , advertisements, TV in general, insurance, GMO food, *organized* religion, psychiatry...the list goes on and on...very little is "as it seems"..it's all smoke and mirrors, and it all has a hidden agenda behind some nicey-nice front.

As far as a "Grand Conspiracy", there is indeed a move on towards global government. IF YOU CAN'T SEE THAT GOING ON AROUND YOU, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION. The globalist actors have admitted so in their own speeches and writings and I'd be glad to send their own damning words to anyone interested.

So...the bottom line is....I'm going to continue to use the term, with its proper meaning, and in its proper context.........I urge the rest of you to do like-wise, and do not let the propagandists hijack and twist this perfectly legitimate legal term in order to cover up the very real conspiracies the elite (1%) are engaged in every day...

I tell people all the time:

"You can call me a conspiracy theorist if I can call you a coincidence theorist".

a fresh new look at . . .

an old problem. Thank you for writing (and thinking) outside the box.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

"Now, you shouldn't go around

"Now, you shouldn't go around believing in conspiracy theories... unless of course they're true." - Ron Paul

Austin Petersen

posted here at the DP as "The Producer", and was one of the main pushers of Bob Barr.

So much for any credibility of Austin's opinion.
He has none.

Austin is right

Austin is right, conspiracy nuttery is a limiting factor of our movement. Of course he does not mean there are never conspiracies. He is talking about the periodic conspiracies the right obsess about that have no basis in fact: Bush's secret plan to merge Mexico, Canada and the U.S., for example. Or that 9/11 was an inside job. That kind of thing. This kind of talk invalidates us in the minds of thinking people and not without some justification.

I too used to be an arrogan

I too used to be an arrogant as_ about 9/11 denial, till I actually looked at the empirical evidence. Even then, it took me a while to find the courage to value truth over what other people thought of me. I hope you too can find that objectivity. Might I suggest Debunking 9/11 Debunking by David Ray Griffin.

This POS

Is just after his next paycheck, he aspires to be part of the establishment, no matter who he has to throw under the bus. I could care less what people like this think about me, or anybody else. Period.

Has he said a damn thing about vote fraud? NO! But he is willing to call us out if we demand our votes count and be counted? Just another "conspiracy theory" eh? He runs the Judge's Facebook page, so you can avoid that too.

LOL

yeah, right.

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels