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An Open Letter to the Ron Paul Communities Regarding Lawyers for Ron Paul

Last week, I decided to support and volunteer as a process server for LFRP because I felt that their efforts were worthwhile in the pursuit of the cause of liberty and for the possibility of Dr. Paul still becoming the next president of our withering country.

This was a purely personal decision, based on the same logic that I used to determine who I would support for president in 2012; at this moment, I feel this is the best course of action.

In 2008 I voted for Barack Obama. I used that same logic then to make that choice. I thought he was the best choice. I had not really heard about Dr. Paul back then. I wasn’t really into politics.

This time around I decided to listen to different voices. A local radio host here in Baltimore, the late Ron Smith of WBAL talked about Ron Paul. I listened and I checked him out. I think, for me, what I saw and liked most about Dr. Paul was that he seemed to be a real person.

That is what I try to be in my own life. I try to be authentic, to stand up for what I believe in and to be honest about why I do. I try to do what I think is right and what I think makes the most sense.

When I first heard about LFRP and their lawsuit a couple of weeks ago, I was more excited about the campaign than I had been, I think, since New Hampshire.

Here, to me, was a real legitimate chance to make progress for the campaign, for the people who have fought for it, and for the rights of every American to be able to vote for whom they truly believe should be voted for.

We live in a world of rules and consequences that, in my opinion, restrict more than liberate. My conscience is not to be regulated by anyone other than myself. If I could not act from my own conscience, I don’t know that life would be worth living.

Five days ago, after having already expressed days before to LFRP my opinion that they needed to reach out to the grassroots directly, I decided that I didn’t think it was prudent to wait any longer for that to happen. I decided to try and encourage the Ron Paul community to evaluate, discuss, and decide whether to support LFRP and their lawsuit. So, I decided, completely on my own, to try and get that process started.

I tried to work the message boards but was completely overwhelmed. I think overall it had a positive effect.

But yesterday, after my second day spent driving to Annapolis, Maryland to attempt to serve the Chairman of the Republican Party of Maryland papers for the lawsuit, I told the person from LFRP with whom I had been first been in touch exactly what my other initial reaction, besides joy, was to their lawsuit had been when I first saw it.

LFRP needs to be in contact directly with the grassroots, or they will not trust LFRP.

After our conversation, I drove back home and took a quick nap. When I woke up, the conference call had been scheduled.

This is the biggest gift I have given the liberty movement.

Whether you think it is worth anything is up to you.

I truly believe that this lawsuit has the potential to be the biggest thing to happen in American politics in my lifetime.

But that is what I believe.

All I want from you is to, please, seriously evaluate this lawsuit and get some questions together for the conference call.

Please discuss the case and your questions and participate on Wednesday.

I don’t want you to do it for me. I want you to do it for the possibilities of what could happen with this lawsuit, all of them.

I don’t care if you are against the lawsuit or for it.

I want you to hunt down the truth.

It is truth that sets us free.

I said to the representative from LFRP:

“If your lawsuit is aligned with what the grassroots supports, they will support you. If it doesn’t, they will tear you apart.”

So, it’s up to you.

I am not here to tell you what to think about it. I will be, as I have been, evaluating it myself. I am not a lawyer. I can not predict what the outcome of this lawsuit will be.

But one of the things I pride myself on and value most in life is identifying what possibilities lie ahead. I try to evaluate things as objectively as I can to see exactly what good can come.
Only you can determine for yourself whether this lawsuit is worthy of support. I personally believe it is. But that is my opinion.

All I am asking of you is, please, take advantage of this opportunity to look at the possibilities that this lawsuit could have.

I am not asking you to support it. I am asking you to examine it and make up your own mind.

The convention is just around the corner.

Decisions will be made.

If this case has the potential to make an impact, the liberty movement needs to understand what that impact could be.

But we don’t have much time.

So please find out information about the case, come up with questions for the conference call, post your opinions on forums, and call in to radio shows.

Just please try to think about what this could be and determine for yourself whether or not you should support it.

Thank you.

Christopher Robin Shelley
Baltimore, Maryland

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Date: June 27, 2012

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Thank u I interviewed them

Thank u I interviewed them many times and I agree with you. There is more to this I am writing a longer response myself. Thanks I jsut saw this though. authentic, cant beat it.

“Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy...." Adams. http://ronpaulgirl.com http://blogtalkradio.c

Pony up some of your own money

Take a cop of the lawsuit to your own attorney or to a law school have another lawyer give you an opinion about it or just quit whining do something constructive.

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Ian Snow Carpenter

In my opinion and from

In my opinion and from reading various articles on the internet, I do not trust these lawyers. I missed the conference call which I wish I knew about it ahead of time. Good luck to those of you going for the gusto! I hope there is another conference call so I can see for myself whether these lawyers are legitimate.

There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan

"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr

it has been recorded

I am a plaintiff from

I am a plaintiff from Nevada....everyone who cares about this country and the TRUTH should be involved here.....we need all hands on deck and THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT POST! :)

yeah you are a plantiff!

yeah you are a plantiff! Contact me please. I had Evan Kenney the 18 yr old from MAss on my lil radio sow last week with Porter Davis. Will you come on I have some more questions....

“Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy...." Adams. http://ronpaulgirl.com http://blogtalkradio.c

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Ian Snow Carpenter

thanks for posting this

thanks for posting this.

as for the other people with their conspiracies about the lawyer being a paid front man. shut up. i sometimes want to just reach into my monitor and strangle you people sometimes.

that conference call, for all that it lacked, did demonstrate sincerity. and should have removed any reasonable doubt of foul play.

obviously an angry guy but you kind of have to be when dealing with everything while fighting off conspiracy fanatics. plus, who amongst us, aren't a little angry? good that he is angry. need that chip on the shoulder when he goes to court.

if we lose the case, then we lose the case. we lose the presidency anyway at our current rate of not doing anything else. The pledged delegates will be swallowed up in Tampa like quicksand. You'd have to convince 50 or so delegates not to vote for whom they're pledged.

I'd rather try to convince 1 judge to uphold law, then try and twist the arms of 50+ delegates in that hostile environment.

Wish I could give this post...


"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

Ron Paul Speaks...THE LAWSUIT - New Video


Ian Snow Carpenter


Quit spamming. Spamming is for people who need to distort the truth by obviously taking words out of context.

Eric Hoffer

The purpose of the law suit is simple

To have the Judge declare that the law of the land for almost 150 years is still the law and still applies to the RNC even if Romney and Priebus want to pretend it does not.

The state and federal Party conventions, caucuses, and primaries which elect delegates to chose the presidential candidate, or the state delegates who chose the national delegates have been recognized by Federal law as part of the federal election process since the 1860's. It is a federal crime punishable by up to 5 years in prison to threaten, coerce, or in any way tamper with a delegates choice to vote anything but his conscience.

The RNC knows this and that is why their rules say that delegates cannot be bound. They know this because they have been sued over this before and lost. In the 1990's the case went all the way to the Supreme Court which upheld the law and ruled that delegates CANNOT BE BOUND by state laws or party rules. The Republican Convention is not just a private club. When they chose the candidate for President of the USA they are part of the Federal election process and subject to federal election law.

After reading all these uninformed flames and smears about this legal effort for several weeks I want to get this off my chest:
All this suspicion and hand wringing about the motivations behind the lawsuit is just plain silly. We are a representative republic - a nation ruled by Law. Not by the whim of individuals or even the whims of The People. We elect representatives to make and change the law, but by law they are free to vote their conscience always. If we don't like their choices we vote to replace them. (Delegates are likewise elected representatives) Thus preserving the integrity of the vote and the election process is not just of paramount importance - It is our duty!

And as a delegate in either the state or national process if your right to vote your conscience is being infringed by conflicting state laws or party rules you have a legal and moral duty to ask the judge to clarify the law that applies for casting your vote, state party rules or Federal Law.

If you are aware of election fraud or attempts to intimidate delegates you have a moral and legal duty to report it to the court. Freedom has a price. You have to get involved in the constitutionally defined process of preserving it.

Will this lawsuit automatically cause the criminal prosecution of every act of election fraud or delegate intimidation? NO. It may lead to some but most will have to be pursued at a state level. Will this lawsuit cause all the state laws and state party rules binding delegates to automatically change? No. The Supreme court decision 20 years ago did not even force that. People will have to get involved in the legal and political process locally to force those changes and prosecutions. Posting on the dailypaul is not enough to actually effect change.

Who is it amongst us claiming to fight for the preservation of the Constitution and the Rule of Law that then turns around and says that we should not use the legal system laid out by law to protect the election process? That is just short sighted and silly. Are you so anxious to be forced to take up arms to protect the constitution that you would not even try to use the system laid out in the constitution? Are you just ignorant of the facts? Then please spend the time to educate yourself. Are you just being contrary? Then please stop wasting everyone's time and bandwidth talking trash.

The ONLY chance Dr. Paul has of being nominated or even allowed to speak is for the Judge to rule on this law suit. Having no bound delegates means that NO Candidate - Romney, Paul, Santorum, Gingrich or anyone who wants to throw their hat in the ring has any delegates for the first vote and nominations will HAVE to occur and be voted on.

Will Ron Paul supporters be exposed? Of course they will - when they vote for Ron Paul! Isn't that why we all fought so hard to get them there?

President Paul 2012.

Are we in it to win or are we in it to whine? We have got to get over this political battered wife syndrome. We are not here to hide in the shadows complaining and enjoying the camaraderie of conspiracy. Do we want to commiserate as victims or change the system? We are here to fight for the restoration of a Constitutional Republic before it is too late, and to shine a light on those who conspire in the shadows.

We are here to effect change. Some do it by working within the system to effect real but incremental changes. Some do it by standing outside the system "throwing bombs" and creating awareness. Both are needed and neither can succeed without the other. Forget the revolutionary utopian fantasy. The progressive one world stateists have spent over a century getting us to where we are now using this same dual path tactic. Dr. Paul acknowledges that we will not turn it around overnight. But we can accomplish more faster because we fighting to restore the heart and soul of what most Americans already believe in. Lets stop calling each other names and just work for change.

Here is a few links that may help you become more informed:
1) What has Dr. Paul said?
2) What is the lawsuit about?


I wonder if anyone bothered

I wonder if anyone bothered to sign their affidavit with the words "under protest" above their signature. I would urge anyone who feels they are being coerced into signing something to do some legal research on what those words mean when added to a document.

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Thank you for your post.

Thank you for your post. Very well said.

What is the PRIMARY OBJECTIVE of the lawsuit?

To disqualify Mitt Romney? I do not think so...

This is not a, "Win or Lose," lawsuit.

I think the PRIMARY OBJECTIVE is to simply have the courts reaffirm the FEDERAL laws that make every single delegate UNBOUND at the RNC. I think the primary objective is to make the courts state the obvious. That would be a HUGE psychological boost. Romney delegates who thought they were bound will know that is not true.

Then the L4RP can march into Tampa Bay and introduce every piece of vote fraud evidence to the RNC legal counsel.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

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Ian Snow Carpenter


let's risk Tampa for a psychological boost? Any delegate spending the 2+ thousand has done their research, we don't need to risk the very likely possibility of the judge not ruling in our favor in order to educate them.

Positives and Negatives

I think there could be positives if a criminal case was properly executed although the positives will require going after individuals for criminal acts. Going after the party itself will result in nothing because the valid cause of action is not with the party itself is with the individuals who committed the criminal acts. The rules broken inside the party need to be dealt with inside the party. The comment of taking over the campaign also bothers me to the extreme.

The negatives became clear to me in the latest string of events including the latest Doug Wead interview where he stated "it is time to be silent" and news articles of discussions of the GOP wanting to exclude Ron Paul supporters all together from convention. The lawsuit gives them a last ditch effort to find out exactly who all of the Ron Paul supporters actually are so that they CAN exclude them. Without the intel of who RP supporters actually are they have no easy way of doing so. The establishment people are criminals and are profiting from the fiat currency their banker overlords throw to them and they will do anything to find all enemies of their control and exclude them, imprison them and even kill them. This is a war and it is time stop asking for permission from anyone and take it upon ourselves to be our own leaders. This includes gathering intel, building dossiers on the individual's who are known criminal's and manipulating them into positions where WE want them to be. We need to be decentralized autonomous and experts individually at knowing when to hold'em, knowing when to fold'em, and know when to walk away, AND knowing when to charge them. This lawsuit gives them the intel to begin to systematically choose who will attend the convention and the idea of US Marshall's inside the building sounds like a nightmare scenario where individual's claim they are Marshall's and claim that authority with no way for individual's on the spot to confirm such claim's. The rule of law has been subverted and it is now time realize the REAL rules; the laws of Nature. Be smart. be whatever they want you to be and smile internally knowing you are building the dossiers necessary to bring them down by any means necessary. Everything is on the line...

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

They've already excluded enough of us to guarantee Romney...

...the "nomination," so GO FOR IT RNC. Exclude them all. What have we got to lose?? The court of public opinion has to be where we take our case after this one.

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

I agree with you to lay low...

We should follow the advice of the campaign and not some shadow organization that just appears out of no where, uses Ron Paul's name and creates this lawsuit that WILL expose all of the delegates for Ron Paul, even the ones that were bound to other candidates. This whole thing just stinks. Also - I read somewhere that they had some sort of conference call that was supposedly OPEN when in fact it was by invitation only, which is just weird. Also there was some word of a press release floating around, yet I haven't seen anything of the sort.

It is in the best interest of all delegates to lay low until the convention rather than risk being exposed and possibly barred from voting for Ron Paul.

Ever since this organization, I doubt they have obtained permission to use Dr. Paul's name, showed up with thei petition and "lawsuit." The GOP have been actively working to expose the Ron Paul delegates and force them into signing affidavits. Just putting two and two together.. Also what's this business about L4RP "Taking over the RP campaign?" Calling for "Mutiny" on certain facebook group pages and all of that, it just plain STINKS to me. The secrecy, the odd statements, the use of Dr. Paul's name without his permission, the call for exposing delegates, the call for mutiny?

I ask questions and wait for solid answers...

"In times of change, the Patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot." ~ Samuel L. Clemens

Oh right...

You mean the advice to "be nice" to the traitors at the RNC? You mean we all should praise Preibus (per Benton) and endorse Romney (per Rand)?

I prefer the outside shot at getting something done with people outside the campaign, than to be led around by the nose like sheep to the slaughter by the TRAITORS INSIDE THE CAMPAIGN that we all DO KNOW ABOUT, thank you.

Richard Gilbert is not the issue. He may not be everything you'd want him to be, or I'd want him to be, but at least he is doing something that OBVIOUSLY is NOT what the known traitors want done, and potentially that COULD restore voting rights in America. I don't even care if he "loses" and Carter rules the state party by-laws trump federal law, AT LEAST HE IS DOING SOMETHING POSITIVE.

When was the last time a paid campaign staffer did something truly positive to help Dr. Paul get elected?? Had to be before the OK/AZ state primaries seven weeks ago...

I'd hope other lawyers would start up something too, and call themselves something else (for those who don't like the name "LFRP"...don't care what) and take on another piece of this huge fraud issue. Vote fraud must be stopped or VIOLENCE WILL BE THE ONLY REMAINING OPTION. We can not allow that to happen.

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

When you say "outside shot"

you mean outside the law? If you were on a central committee, as Ron Paul asked, you would have had to sign an agreement, and it's registered with the state. You would KNOW all this RNC is legal, no different than any party's request of delegates.


If only everybody here thought this way…we would be a force to be reckoned with.
But then again, if vigilance and intelligence was the RULE rather than the EXCEPTION, we probably wouldn't be in the mess we're in today, as a country/society.

Did you participate in the Conference Call?

I sure hope you did because I would ahve liked a report from you more than anyone.

I'm sorry to say that I was unable to participate, but if I had, I would have brought up some of the doubts you inspired in me, not that I agreed, but I will admit, you gave me second thoughts.

MY HOPE is that this is a GOOD THING, RCG is for REAL, and wins.

No, I couldn't…

I had promised the little zsh-ninjas that I would take them to the multiplex to see Madagascar 3 : )

Do you know if anyone recorded it? Hopefully those who participated asked some hard questions, and got some decent answers. I read the Q&A's that Steve posted. Steve's two questions were good. Not impressed with Richard's rather vague answers, though.

I couldn't either

Had jury duty and then an inspection of the property I manage that didn't end until 8PM PST.

I heard it was recorded, keeping myself posted for the recording.

I would have liked to have participated, but I was correct about CA, being Romney won, CA isn't going to be part of it, so it's moves to Mitt's former state, MA.

The whole

idea "taking over the RP campaign" smelled badly for me.

Larson10 chirped it out to the world based on Adam Kokesh announcement before the lawyers went public. I guess Adam was dreaming to stab Benton in the back for being called a clown back in August 2011.

Most vocal among us (from Ben Swann to TMOT to Alex Jones) would divert our attention from ourselves using all possible scapegoats. That is the only way they can keep attention from audience. The reality is that most of Blue Republicans and Alex Jones' populists did not register with GOP to attend primaries. When voting stations were virtually empty in April-June, we still did not have the numbers. Now former Obama supporters would like to take over the movement. Nice.

That is fairly accurate

and seems to be what is going on. I do think you are right about the primaries. I know that I dragged many into the booth, but I found out later on in other states where I worked...many didn't go for various reasons or never registered in time. Made me want to cry. Family and friends that knew that I spent thousands of dollars and countless hours couldn't take the 10 minutes to register or the 5 minutes to get out to vote. Now, I feel the only thing left is to get into my local politics. I am working on that now...

Give Me Some Background

...on this law firm's website stating that they "Have been voted the best lawyers in America" by Harvard Law School Graduates?

Seeing that ridiculous statement ... was enuff for me.

Will this be yet one more question that is not answered.

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