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Oh Jack Hunter, say it ain't so: "Bilderberg conspiracies have become a handicap for the Liberty Movement "

When you get dizzy spinning, should take a break, not look for a new electric motor to keep you spinning.

Bilderberg conspiracies have become a handicap for the Liberty Movement
[No Jack, YOU have.]

by Jack Hunter | June 27, 2012

Bilderbirthers

In 2009, the so-called Birther movement became an embarrassing distraction for the conservative movement. Many conservatives spoke out against the Birthers, who believe President Barack Obama was actually born in Kenya, forged his birth certificate, and is therefore ineligible to be president. I surely did. Still, many insisted on subscribing to it, though luckily their numbers seem fewer today than ever.

For conservatives, Obama is bad. In fact, he's the biggest big-government president to date. Conservatives don't need conspiracy theories to convince them that Obama's agenda must be stopped. There is no need to look for secret conspiracies when the damage is being done in plain sight every day.

Most conservatives have come to see the Birthers as a political handicap, and the same is now true of the vocal minority obsessed with the Bilderberg Group, particularly those within the self-described Liberty Movement to which I belong.

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David Kramer of LewRockwell.com weighs in on Jack's newest self-dug hole:

Jack Hunter Didn't Get the Mises Memo

Posted by David Kramer on June 27, 2012 10:47 AM

Ludwig von Mises's motto was, "Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito." [TRANSLATION: "Do not give in to evil but proceed ever more boldly against it."]

I like Jack Hunter. I think he is a terrific writer. Though he is probably more of a conservative than a classical liberal (I'm using Walter Block's yardstick here), I find that I agree with him on so many political and economic issues that I can say that I am glad to have Jack on my side of the political fence rather than on the other side. I also understand his concern that people such as myself who talk about the New World Order/One World Government conspiracy might be hurting or embarrassing our cause.

But to hide what one believes to be the truth rather than expressing it is being dishonest with one's self. If every one of us in the classical liberal/Austrian school of economics sphere had to worry that some of our views might hurt or embarrass our cause, then we wouldn't express our "racist" views on anti-discrimination laws (plus our "racist" views on the dictator Abraham Lincoln and his murderous assault on the southern states), our "cranky" views on the gold standard, our "greedy, capitalist pig" views on the free market, our "heartless" views on government welfare programs, our "irresponsible" views on re-legalizing ALL recreational drugs, our "immoral" views that prostitution should be legal...I could go on and on.

So I ask Jack Hunter and all the rest of the conservatives/classical liberals out there who believe that the mess we are in today is just the result of an avalanche of government "coincidental" missteps over the past hundred years: Why single out the "lunatic fringe" issue of the NWO/OWG conspiracy—something that many conservatives and classical liberals know to be true—as an issue to be silent about?

[Thanks to Travis Holte]

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Jack's now childishly calling them Bilderbirthers??

Um, creating an unnecessary wedge within, much?

While many of us are aware, and have researched into the Bilderbergs, to my knowledge, NONE of us have ever put forth as if it should be some leading Liberty Movement platform.

So why the need to make an issue, out of a non issue?

No one who hasn't awakened on their own will not have any clue as to even 'join' the movement to begin with. And, since when do those who want to "END the FED!" give a damn about what others think?

Why is this whole Rand-train turning into a Socialist-eqsque collectivist group-think call to 'purge' some in the Liberty Movement by those who aren't even part of it? Especially, when it's targeting all the not-wrong people, for all the wrong reasons?

If anything, the Liberty Movement needs to purge unprincipled political operatives and ne'er do well leeches, who don't speak our values, nor critical thinking/dissent.

All Jack had to do was keep his mouth shut, and NOT plug Rand's decision ON Dr. Paul's official RP2012 campaign website.

On his own SouthernAvenger YT page? Fine, but it's doubly obnoxious to defend another man endorsing the opponent ON the website of the candidate STILL running against him!

This is just one more marker in the 'Bad' column for Jack.

Just WTF happened to Hunter??

Think this is where Jack Hunter officially loses me, as of today. Buh bye S. Avenger. Been nice while it lasted.

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Addendum

Observing the nature of some of the responses, I frankly wanted to unplug the thread, but it'd be unfair to those who did respond.

This thread wasn't meant to divide, yet by pointing out the fact that I'm disappointed at someone whom I view to be creating a wedge... ironically has the similar effect of, too creating a wedge.

Damned if you do discuss the reality of the issue, damned if you don't.

Though, I'm glad all of this crap is being aired before Tampa, now.

In my defense, I'm not making any of these statements as the paid official blogger for the RP2012 campaign, posting an OpEd in defense of an endorsement for Romney, on the official Ron Paul 2012 campaign website, who if Jack has not noticed, is his boss, who is still running for the POTUS.

All of which, is a move in which a PR neophyte is telling him/herself: 'um... WTF? even I know to never praise an endorsement of your own boss's opponent, on his own website, before I ever interned here at this PR firm!'

It's like would Ford take out a full page of its own website, by its own paid blogger, to defend someone endorsing... a Toyota product, on Ford's own website? That's really the source of my contention with his decision. Not that he want to pursue whatever political route he deems best, in his mind.

That said, I would hope that those who respond to this thread would realize that their own responses to the thread also denote their own level of variances in their own level of sensitivity, and tolerance for dissenting opinions, as equally.

Yup... moi, go on slight off kilter potty mouthed commentary, and look what happens.o(

I ironically, too, created discord, just the kind I were pointing out. But pardon y'all it was not my intent.

Nevertheless, I welcome any and all commentaries and replies.

Thank You.

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UPDATE 1: AK's take on Jack's recent article.

http://youtu.be/wumnzMedzQU Hunter attempts to divide & co-opt the liberty movement by blaming Bilderbergers

Published on Jun 28, 2012




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Adam Kokesh Responds

I see it's in the update above, but in case anyone didn't get that far:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wumnz...

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

This guy

Set off my flim flam artist bells as soon as I saw his. He looks odd and his maneurisms scream scammy mc scam scam snake oil salesmen.

"But you must remember, my fellow-citizens, that eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing." - Andrew Jackson

Should we know something up front & personal is going on?

Behind closed doors:

    "Her eyes blazed up, and she jumped for him like a wild-cat, and when she was done with him she was rags and he wasn't anything but an allegory. - "A Horse's Tale" Mark Twain

The Bilderberg Group, Rand Paul, and Jack Hunter
June 29, 2012

I guess the liberty movement is continuing to split over Rand Paul’s recent behavior. He recently refused to comment on the Bilderberg group. In addition, Jack Hunter went out of his way to explain that such discussion should be off limits because it hurts the movement. While not the top of my list of concerns (the Federal Reserve System is more than enough), it should not be outside the realm of polite discussion. I know politicians might especially be afraid to breach such topics but the Bilderberg Group does exist, it does meet in secret, and is composed of most of the most influential members of government, finance, and industry from around the world. What it does behind closed doors is mostly left up to speculation but this should at least be on the level of “kind of strange” or “weird”, especially considering the long history of distrust Americans have had of secret organizations.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Whether

a conspiracy is true or not, it is a distraction to the movement. We don't want to be a movement of pointing out conspiracies, but rather a movement promoting individual liberty. We aren't going to win anyone over by making a big stink about conspiracies all the time. We need to focus on the thing that appeals to people and will get them to join our side... Liberty.

and before some of you down vote me, how many times has Ron Paul gone around screaming about Bilderberg?

he very rarely screams

but in the past he has not been AFRAID to answer questions about Bilderberg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plo-1rLZ3Jo

Bilderberg is an actual thing. Obama's birth cert is a theory.

6:40 into this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JILjWC8koy0&feature=related Judge Nap discusses it on Fox.

I don't get why Peter Thiel's boyfriend felt he needed to shut everyone up about a known thing like bilderberg.

Irish economics minister questioned in parliament re bilderberg:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0616/122431...

The media covers bilderberg, trying to pretend there is nothing going on just because you may offend some people in la la land makes no sense.

Bilderberg & Birth Certificate players & events: An allegory.

Allegory is a device in which characters or events represent or symbolize ideas and concepts.

COYOTE ["cayote" ~ Mark Twain's alternate spelling]

The cayote is a living, breathing allegory of Want. He is always hungry. He is always poor, out of luck and friendless. The meanest creatures despise him and even the flea would desert him for a velocipede. - Roughing It, Mark Twain

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

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Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

I get it

Bilderberg probably IS a conspiracy.. however, we won't be able to convince people to join the movement if we are labeled a conspiracy movement. It IS detrimental to the movement and a distraction. Ron Paul almost never talks about conspiracies, but rather individual liberty. I think we should all follow in his example if we want this movement to grow.

I wish Jack had said

illuminazis and lizard people instead of something that's out in the open and admitted.

He may as well have told people to not mention the g8. Or else he could've come clean and admitted it's because Rand doesn't like being chased around town pestered about bilderberg. But no, he had his own agenda and it's not about liberty it's about expedience.

Jack's always whining about

Jack's always whining about something. Now he's just looking for wedges to flatten the movement.

The comments in this thread...

Have made it clear to me this site is meaningless and will only tarnish libertarians if taken seriously... either the majority are Alex Jones style truthers or trolls have taken over.

I've always supported Ron Paul, but I've never been a big bilderberg blah blah pulling the strings of the entire world type conspiracy theorist. I mean, I think the problems with the governments around the world are really much better explained by public choice theory, regulatory capture, and outright stupidity than much of anything else. Not that conspiracies don't ever happen, such as the fast and furious scandal.

But the fact this gets stickied on the front page proves my point this site is for a very narrow audience, and those who say my defense of libertarian ideology will "not grow the movement", need to take a look at themselves when they are pushing Alex Jones propaganda.

Now I'll just wait for the flood of negative votes to come pouring in.

It ain't so. Rats abourd! Jack the hunter best be a hunting.

Dear Jack the Hunter,

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain

"...the person that had took a bull by the tail once had learnt sixty or seventy times as much as a person that hadn't, and said a person that started in to carry a cat home by the tail was getting knowledge that was always going to be useful to him, and warn't ever going to grow dim or doubtful."
-Tom Sawyer Abroad

Cats & old sailors know well behaviors of rats.

Telegram: Steamer COLUMBIA, at sea. San Francisco Alta California, February 24, 1867.

"Everything's set - the passengers are back again and stowed, and the parson's all ready to cat his anchor and get under way - everybody ready and waiting on that bloody choir that was practicing and squawking and blatting all night, and now ain't come to time when their watch is called." ...

"D--n that choir! They're like the fellow's sow - had to haul her ears off to get her up to the trough, and then had to pull her tail out to get her away again. But rats! - don't tell me nothing about the talent of rats! It's been noticed, sir ! - notes has been taken of it, sir ! and their judgment is better than a human's, sir! Didn't I hear old Ben Wilson, mate of the Empress of the Seas - as fine a sailor and as lovely a ship as ever rode a gale - didn't I hear him tell how, seventeen years ago, when he was laying at Liverpool docks empty - empty as a jug - and a full Indiaman right alongside, full of provisions, and corn, and everything a rat might prefer, and going to sail next day - how in the middle of the night the rats all left her and crossed his decks and went ashore every one of 'em! - every bloody one of 'em, sir! - and finally - it was moonlight - he saw a muss going on by the capstan of that other ship, and he slipped around, and there was a dozen old rats laying their heads together and chattering about something and looking down the forward hatch every now and then, and finally they appeared to have got their minds made up, and one of 'em went aft and got a scrap of old stuns'l half a foot square, and they bored holes in the corners with their teeth, and bent on some long pieces of spun-yarn - made a sort of a little hammock of it, you understand - and then they lowered away gently for a while and stopped - and directly they begun heaving again, and up out of that forward hatch, in full view of the mate, who was watching 'em all the time, up comes that little hammock with a poor, old, decrepit sick rat on it, all gone in with the consumption! - and they lugged him ashore, and they all went up town to the very last rat - and that ship sailed the next day for India, or Cape o' Good Hope, or somewheres, and the mate of the Empress didn't sail for as much as three weeks, and up to that time that ship hadn't been heard from, sir! Drat that choir! I must go and start 'em out - this sort of thing won't do !" - Mark Twain,

Rates! A hunter as well, should know behavior of rats.

Regards,

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

More, not less, about Bilderberg

I want to hear more discussion, not less, about the bad guys. We aren't where we are by accident.

People want to talk about Agenda 21. But it doesn't even appear that we're leading the way on that discussion.

It's impossible to discuss "End The Fed" without talking about the bad guys. Creature From Jeckyl Island. Allow me to control the money supply and I care not who makes the laws. This is conspiracy theory 101. I'm a little bit disappointed that Ron Paul didn't hit those targets hard.

I want more of it, not less.

In case people are wondering, the antiwar people, people who have buddied up with Code Pink, are the people that the Republicans hated the most, not the conspiracy people.

People talk about R[evol]ution, but then get scared about talking about
the root cause of those problems.

If Bilderberg

really does control things than if the people could take them out than perhaps things can change. if its really the controller than our efforts should be focused on taking them down instead of trying to get our guy in their system.

I wonder why all the ton of

I wonder why all the ton of evidence that has surfaced over the past 4 years about Obama's ineligibility is not good enough for Jack...by the way, what's wrong with taking Ron Paul's advice on the eligibility issue? Ron Paul said he was open-minded about this issue, why isn't Jack open minded as well? Here you go.

"We should know the truth and we should follow the rule, we should follow the law, we should follow what the Constitution says about who is qualified to be President. So, I am very open-minded about looking at all of that."
- Ron Paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoQ3kO9xzcs#t=1m30s

If he had his way there would be very few people left

in this movement and frankly it would never have taken off without it.

But this movement is about freedom, liberty, not someones talking points.

Just saying...

I found when I want to convince others against the course

they are set on -- the best thing to do is get pitchforks and swear perpetual absolutist oaths against them. Which, if the perceived 1st volley of negativity (coming from their camp as the case always is) is not renounced and reparations made it is the beginning of perpetual war.

Voting and Lobbying is Perpetual War

Ron Paul has said that Trade not War ended Communism in Vietnam.

Slavery was War
Military Might and Aggression is War
"Police Actions" (in foreign lands) is War
War on Drugs is a War
War on Poverty is a War

Voting and Lobbying is a Side-Picking Act of War
---Never once in all human history has it lead to Free-Markets

So why be "sad" if a "hero" turns out to be a "zero"
---how does one get into this type of thinking in the first place?

Heroworship leads one to DEEP sadness when said hero no longer follows the "party-line" **cough "bullshivicks"**

Whom we've had Hero-Sadness over:

Rand Paul
Jack Hunter
Adam Kokesh
Ron Paul ("seemingly" conceding defeat)

What comes before Hero-Sadness -- Hero-Worship?

Where is Hero-Worship born from -- An Abdication of Consumer-Will

What are the signs of an abdication of consumer-rule?

Blameshifting -- Ignoring 100% where the "evil-they" get their power from.

They get it from us -- nearly 100% of it

I'll have an order of fries....

..to go with that builder burger! They are evil scum. Down with Bilderberg!!! Jacks sounds like someone that believes that appeasement is the way.Thats a pusilanimous pussyfoot approach to dealing with th fact that GOP politics is a top down operation with a business model of corruption.A small clique decides who the nomination will be and we are supposed to roll over and hope for a pat on the head? I don't think so. If you don't stand up for something,you will fall for anything. DOWN WITH BILDERBERG!!!! I guess you like Bilderberg attendee Mitt Romney now also Jack? You sound ready to jump off the same cliff Rand did these days..Just wondering. Where is your loyalty anyway sir?

Peace & Liberty!

After reading this...

I am reminded of what Dr. Paul said when asked about the CFR and NAU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSXQLUIc1Ak&feature=related

The gasp in the room at the

The gasp in the room at the question and the anticipation preceding a likely truthful response could be heard and felt.
And then, he did it! OMG, I cheered and laughed! The neocons could do nothing to stop it. Priceless! Two of the best debates moments of them all.
Thanks for finding that one.

RON PAUL 2012 * Restore America * Bring The Troops Home
http://www.texasuncensored.blogspot.com

There's Room!

I've been seeing a lot of posts lately on DP that are criticising the more visible members of the liberty movement. Why? I think there's room in the liberty movement for everyone.

Jack doesn't agree with Bilderbergers, so what? Just because you or I do or don't agree with him, are we ready to ostracize him and discard everything he has done for the movement? What about Adam v Man? He's offended some with his ideas. Do we just throw him out? He's done lots for our movement too. Rand Paul? He's working hard to pass Audit the Fed!

We all have 2 things in common, we all come together in the name of liberty. We have all been inspired in one way or another by Ron Paul. There's room for all of us!

Let's maintain respect even if we disagree about certain items. I don't think our movement will ever be destroyed from the outside, it will be destroyed from within.

The message of liberty brings people together -Ron Paul

This movement won't even be

This movement won't even be destroyed internally. Why? Because this movement to restore constitutional government has been around for decades especially since WW2 and it's basically DE-centralized already. Yes, certain factions within the larger group to restore constitutional liberty will probably ignore other factions, but that is ok. Although I personally detest racism, racists have a right to freedom of association as much as anyone else. ;)

We simply have to continue promoting the ideas of constitutional liberty as promoted by Ron Paul whether Ron is active or not. Some members of the DP are making a big deal of recent bickering on the DP. Personally, I couldn't care less. :)

Good Point

Thanks for your feedback. I guess with everything that we've been through through the last couple of months, a little bickering on DP really is the least of our concerns. Like you, I'm also very optimistic in the liberty movement going forward because like Ron Paul says,

"An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government."

Peace

Alright, hear me out guys....

Jack's making a totally valid point here. It's going to be easier to win the majority of Americans over to the overt, clear, obvious damage being done in plain view than it is to get people on board with the idea that a secret society is working against us like some movie plot. I don't completely discredit what is said about this group but if they're really so rich and powerful, a direct attack is not the best plan of action. We need to change the system from the inside out and I think that's what Jack is getting at here.

Come on guys; I know you want to go after "bildeberg" but the best way to do that is to win the hearts and minds of the majority.

A derisive catchprase like "bilderbirthers"? Don't be a sheep.

You would be wise not to follow along with the sheep mentality. Words and phrases like "bilderbirthers" are designed to make you feel like you are not part of the majority by questioning and investigating something.

Concerned about holes in the data supporting global warming? Well, you are a "skeptic" and "The science is settled."

Is the current president legally eligible to serve? Ask that and you must be a "birther".

Think that WTC 7 looks like a controlled demolition? Don't be a "truther".

What if you don't like politicians who have mixed alegiances to the UN, CFR, AIPAC, Trilateral Commission, etc.? You must be a "conspiracy theorist".

There are many others...homophobia, islamophobia, racist, anti-semite, etc. I say forget about the labels. Read, research, learn, and question what you are taught. You are better off spending time researching the bilderberg group than wasting your time watching dancing with the stars and playing video games. If there is no truth in whatever message you are reading, then you will eventually discredit it. Why make subjects taboo?

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

I agree with Jack

Bildeberg conspiracy backers detract from our credibility and provide no constructive value to the Liberty movement.

Their time would be better served getting involved in Government and promoting a Liberty platform... vs acting like TMZ paparazzi.

Agreed.

But watch my comment also get downvoted into oblivion. Reminds me why I gave up on this site, it's full of children.

very mature comment,

name calling is far better than logic.

Jack must be going to

Jack must be going to Bilderberg meetings now.