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Oregon Republican Party will hold an Executive Board Meeting Saturday to appoint alternate delegates - open to public

Oregon Republican Party will hold an Executive Board Meeting where they will appoint the alternates. From what I understand, this meeting will be at 12:00 at 2225 Coburg Road in Eugene on Saturday. I was told this meeting was open to the public. Please do confirm the time and location of this meeting yourself.

They are not reconvening the Oregon conventions, and may or may not take the votes of the PCPs who did vote (who were just elected at the Oregon Primary) in to consideration while making these appointments.

This meeting is open to the public for (silent) observation. The jurisdiction of this meeting is all Oregon Republicans.

Backstory:

Oregon Conventions last weekend shut down @5pm before alternates could be elected, CD4 and several others voted to continue & did elect (after recovering ballots)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPBnuvRAjWQ

CD4 vote tallys based on announced totals from clerk (unofficial):
http://i.imgur.com/7lpTK.png

entire convention
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/erikbays/videos

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although official results are not released yet, i have heard that the executive board appointed alternate delegates that differ from the slate of duly elected delegates elected by the elected PCPs of Oregon at last Saturday's conventions. I will update with official results when I get them, and any information I can get about who exactly voted how.

Russ Walker from Freedom Works was supporting Solomon Yue & his position (that the board has the authority to make the appointments due to invalid information about 'you need 2/3 majority to move to extend the agenda, that's how its always been', out in the parking lot during this meeting.

Actually, Mr Walker and Committeeman Yue, Allen Alley has only the powers granted to him by the ORP bylaws and convention rules. which, while giving Chairman Alley the authority to set a time to CONVENE the convention, does not give him the authority to set a time for adjournment for the convention. There is also NOT A SINGLE RULE about lockstep votes between CDs being necessary. The rule of law has been violated and the ORP Exec Board is usurping the authority of the elected PCPs. This position is also held by a common law advocate from project city hall, and the Lane County Secretary/Board Counsel.

Justice will prevail when the credentials of these newly appointed delegates fail to withstand scrutiny under challenge.

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Sad PCPs and Delgates, holding signs at the Executive board meeting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?edit=vd&v=Jpqc7v_pW3I

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Here is the latest on the Oregon Delegate Debacle

The disenfranchised delegates gathered in front of this meeting to protest the "appointed" delegates. This is shameful conduct by the top brass in the ORP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbU-F510PhY&feature=share

Here is my video and full

Here is my video and full account of what transpired http://www.dailypaul.com/243543/damning-video-from-oregon-co...

I drove clear across the state to attend this meeting

The people in my district are in shock that the ORP has done this---who needs a dictator when we have TPTB in ORP?

If you have not already

I know some of you have spoken to the Lawyers for Ron Paul. You probably all should do it individually. Please do not waste time. Also We oregonians need to do a money bomb somehow to finance our delegates to go to Tampa. We do not want any delegates to miss it because of funding. We do not want any at large alternates to have to be used.

Robbed again..

Or so it appears.

Has their been any communication from the official
campaign on this? It seems like this slate's credentials
should be challenged in Tampa - but likely the campaign
is still in Jesse Benton suck up mode.

This makes me want to stay in the Republican Party just
to see Yue and Alley gone...

This article clarified a bit for me what actually went on -
I was having trouble understanding from all the independent
reports from the different CD's..

http://www.roseburgbeacon.com/home/2012/6/27/oregon-republic...

I've been told that the campaign is working on this situation

Those of us in Oregon are working on it too. It's clearly time for some housecleaning here.

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What is begun in anger, ends in shame.

Thanks Jinn

OR topic: Oregon Republican Party Notified of Vacancy

http://www.dailypaul.com/241786/ronpaul-activists-news-relea...

Any more news on that?

Ron Paul ... forever.

credentials challenge + what natl committeeman Solomon Yue says

Mr Yue,

Thank you for continuing to dialog with me. I have extended the CC list to those I know in Lane GOP leadership roles. I discussed the matter with someone more familiar with parliamentary procedure than I am, and now I have the following questions:

Roberts' Rules provides for no motion to "extend" a meeting. The only available motion under Roberts' to end a meeting is the motion to adjourn. This implies that a meeting cannot end on its own. It must be the result of a motion to adjourn. Adjourning a meeting does not implicitly violate member's rights. The only motions that require 2/3 super-majority are motions which violate member's rights. A motion to adjourn requires a simply majority to be adopted.

Q: Where is the rule about needing a 2/3 majority to extend or even anything at all about 'extending' a convention or meeting timeline?

In regards to the chair's authority to set the ending time for the convention, the bylaws and the convention both use the same language: "The duly elected Precinct Committeepersons ... shall convene at a time and place designated by the State Chairman for the purpose of:"

The chairman can designate a time and place to "convene" (begin) only. Neither the chair of the ORP, nor the chair of the CD convention can dictate anything to an assembly once it is called to order. The will of the assembly is always paramount and the majority always decides, except in the few cases where rights are taken away when a super-majority is required.

The conventions that left before completing business forfeited their vote for state alternates (delegating it to the executive board to fill vacancies if any resulted). The other CDs did not forfeit their votes for the alternate state delegates and their CD alternate delegates. Any attempt to remove their duly elected delegates will be a violation of the voting rights of each of those PCPs. There are no vacancies to be filled in the CDs who voted for alternates, or at the state at-large alternates.

Q: What is the the name of the parliamentarian who provided the information that the all of the conventions had to make a 2/3 vote to extend past 5pm, and that the Executive Board is authorized to appoint alternate delegates when elected PCPs voted for them, and which organization(s) certified him or her?

again, thank you sincerely for reaching out and communicating with me, and I believe you will take this conversation as it is intended- I desire clarity and transparency, and for our ORP leadership to uphold the rule of law and to serve justice. Thank you for your support.

J**

________________________________ From:Solomon Yue To:jendaboarder@yahoo.com Sent:Friday, June 29, 2012 8:33 AM Subject:RE: please uphold the clearly expressed will of the PCPs when appointing delegates

Hi J**,

The 5 pm deadline is on an agenda set by ORP per our standing rules and distributed at each district convention (I was not involved in planning of district conventions so I did not know CD3 rented a ballroom with a 5 pm deadline to move out, but I saw the agenda on my table in CD5). CD1, CD3, and CD5 failed to extend due to different reasons. CD1 and CD5 failed to move to extend. CD3 failed to have 2/3 of the body to vote affirmatively to extend (2 votes short). The motion to extend requires 2/3 of the body to vote affirmatively to pass. If CD3 were extended, it would be compelled to find a new room to move its district convention into. The adjournment under the Order of the Day does not require 2/3 of the body to vote when there is a published deadline of 5 pm.

If I were a presiding officer, I would explain to PCPs this way: we have a 5 pm published deadline and we can extend, but we need 2/3 of the body to vote affirmatively. At 5 pm, I will invite a PCP to make a motion to extend, we vote on the motion right away since the motion is not debatable. Without such a motion passing, I can adjourn the meeting without a vote on adjournment. Since this is one statewide convention held in 5 congressional districts, this motion must pass by all 5 congressional districts in order to vote on the next ballot. If one of the districts fails to extend, this statewide convention is concluded. Per our standing rules 11.3, the ORP Executive Committee will fill all vacancies.

As a presiding officer, one must be transparent, informative, and helpful because so many new PCPs do not know ORP bylaws and standing rules and proper motions in the Robert's Rules of Order. That was the way I ran all ORP Bylaws committee meetings as Chairman from 2000 - 2004.

ORP Executive Committee meeting is scheduled from noon - 4 pm on Sat at the Lane County GOP office. I am not the presiding officer, but I will uphold same standards for this meeting because I already volunteered my service to defend our delegation per ORP bylaws and standing rules as well as the Robert's Rules of Order in front of the RNC Committee on Contests if there is a challenge. Thanks. Solomon

________________________________ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:33:50 -0700
From: j**
Subject: Re: please uphold the clearly expressed will of the PCPs when appointing delegates

Hi Mr Yue,

thank you so much for responding to my email. I'm glad you've addressed this on your show- as I mentioned the PCPs I have talked to are all very upset. I'm trying to speak with all the PCPs in my district (South Eugene) so I can best represent them. The phrases 'railroad' and 'in all the years I've been attending conventions..' have been coming up a lot.

Here is a video that someone at the CD4 convention took. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPBnuvRAjWQ . I think based on what you said that Ms Moffat is giving incorrect information when she says the agenda (5pm end time) is set by Chairman Alley, and not by the body of PCPs? And that what actually happened is just that some CDs failed to extend? Does that mean that those CDs actually passed the required 2/3 vote to adjourn, or do I misunderstand that rule? I thought conventions can't adjourn without a 2/3 vote, and that in a couple of our CDs the chair didn't know that rule and just left the building without adjourning?

I also have heard that the chairman of the CD that was in the hotel with the 5pm stop time had worked with that hotel and identified another room that could be used, after 5pm. Do you know if this is accurate?

I have also heard that the Executive Board meeting will be taking place at noon Saturday at the Lane GOP office and that observers may attend but may not speak. Is this correct? I would like to attend as an observer, because I think understanding the controversy in our party is key to understanding how to resolve it. I want help unite the various factions to all work together to elect true conservatives, and to take back our country and our freedoms.

Obviously a lot of rumors are flying around. Thanks again for your communication and your service as National Committeeman. Out of the several emails I sent today, you are the only one to reply to me yet, and I very much appreciate your time in helping clear this up, so I know what to communicate to the PCPs.

sincerely,

J***

________________________________ From: Solomon Yue
To: j*** Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:15 PM
Subject: RE: please uphold the clearly expressed will of the PCPs when appointing delegates

Hi ***,

Thank you for your email.

I will ask ORP to distribute CD4's results to all executive committee members...

The adjournment of CD5 convention, which I was at last Saturday was not satisfactory to me and a lot of PCPs here in the valley. Until Sunday, I learned CD3 was renting a ballroom from a hotel until 5 pm because there was a wedding in the same ballroom at 6 pm. The presiding officer in CD5 never explained what a PCP could have done when we passed 5 pm. When we passed the published deadline, per the Robert's Rules of Order and under the Order of the day, any PCP could have moved to extend. This motion to extend is not debatable. The presiding Officer must recognize the person making the motion and have the body to vote on the motion. The motion passes with 2/3 of the body voting affirmatively. Nobody made such a motion in CD1 and CD5. CD3 failed to pass the motion by 2 votes. CD2 and CD4 passed the motion. The motion must pass all 5 CDs.

The adjournment was proper per the Robert's Rules of Order, but very upsetting...

I have been dealing with the PR fallout of our congressional district conventions' adjournment since Monday. I have also answered many questions regarding the adjournment. During my radio talk show interview yesterday, I had to deal with the issue if five congressional district conventions can be operated independently. I answered NO because per our standing rules, we have only one statewide convention but held in five different locations (one per a congressional district) and ran by five different presiding officers at the same time. In order to vote on the next ballot, we need to know the statewide vote count results of the previous ballot. This process was stopped after CD delegates elections. Since statewide balloting results are linked, it would require all 5 congressional districts to pass the same motion in order to vote on the alt. at large delegates ballot.

I have participated in five congressional district conventions in 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012. This is the first time to witness one congressional district renting a ballroom with a 5 pm deadline to move out. Presiding officers should have shared this with all PCPs in every congressional district. It was a total lack of communication...Thanks. Solomon

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subject: please uphold the clearly expressed will of the PCPs when app inting delegates

Hello Mr Yue,

I attended the CD4 State Convention on Saturday. Here is a picture of the vote counts for the CD4 national delegate votes (for at-large & CD4, regular & alternates) : http://imgur.com/7lpTK

From what I understand, the ORP states that you will be involved (due to your position as national committeeman) in appointing alternate delegates this week. Although I disagree with the decision that the ORP has the right to make these appointments (as there were duly elected alternates), I am writing to urge you to make sure that the clearly expressed will of the PCPs from Oregon be followed, and to appoint the delegates who clearly won based on the reported alternate votes. Anything else would be a complete travesty of justice and will fracture the ORP and leave it vulnerable to PCPs potentially taking small claims legal action.

I am a PCP captain for my district and I have been reaching out to PCPs who attended the CD4 convention. Most are enraged at what they view as an attempt by the ORP to usurp their votes.

I urge you to make a public video recording during this meeting, so that the people will know who supported the vote of the PCPs and who does not.

very tactful

Thanks. It sounds like several CDs were not adjourned properly. Can these be reconvened and finished?

This Saturdays meeting does not seem legitimate anyway since Alley is the one who stopped the overall convention at the state level in the first place.

Jin, thank you for your work and the report here

It is very useful.

I followed OR convention a bit, my question is:

Where exactly was the 5pm end of session "published". I read Multnomah county rules and they said the end of session was at 6pm.

I also read there that all the consequent elections of delegates were done one by one "independently of other CDs".

I will try to find the link.

Ron Paul ... forever.

the 5pm end was printed on

the 5pm end was printed on the agenda. And in CD4 it was actually 4pm.

However, King Allen Alley does not get to set the end time, and putting it on the agenda is pointless. Motion to adjourn with 50% majority is still required. the stuff about 'motion to extend' and 2/3 vote is complete B.S.

By the way, a Freedom Works guy told me the parking lot that this is how he thinks the rule is (the extend & 2/3 majority) because 'he doesn't know the rule but that is how ORP has always done it'. Great. So maybe it is incompetence/ignorance instead of malice? Bodes well for the credential challenge...

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Could you please upload a readable quality image of the unity slate.

Does anyone have a copy of the CD5 slate?

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note: Chairman Alley does not

note: Chairman Alley does not have the authority he claims to when publishing this agenda.

link to Multnomah County ORP CD Convention Rules 2012

http://multnomahgop.com/node/1212

http://multnomahgop.com/node/1212

Oregon Republican Party Congressional District Convention Rules 2012
"Location:
TBA
Time:
Sat, 06/23/2012 - 8:00am - 6:00pm

Oregon Republican Party
Oregon Republican Party Congressional District Convention Rules 2012

1. PURPOSE
1.1. The only business of the Conventions shall be the selection/election of Oregon delegates to the Republican National Convention and the election of officers of the Congressional Districts. No issues or other matters shall be formally considered.
1.2. The District Chair may, as the agenda allows, utilize the vote tally time in such manner as he/she may deem to be productive and in the interest of the Republican Party...."

Ron Paul ... forever.

lane gop leadership gave some positive feedback

lane gop leadership gave some positive feedback on this challenge. i think we have a good group of people in Lane/CD4. People who want the rules followed and want to work together to bring new people and conservative ideals in to the party. now, just need to get rid of the corrupt state leadership in november, and oregon GOP will be back in the hands of the people

update: they closed the

update: they closed the meeting to the public at the last minute. pcps and delegates who drove in from as far away as coos and curry co. and beaverton to attend were turned away. i have heard a rumor that the appointments did not uphold the PCP votes. nothing official yet.

if this is true, there will be a credentials challenge of these alternates. The state exec board may only appoint vacancies. PCPs voted on state alts and most cd alts, so they are not vacant. This is not the dictatorship of Allen Alley and prince Solomon Yue, and the will of the ELECTED PRECINCT COMMITTEE PEOPLE of Oregon must not be ignored

Some delegates drove from Grant County!

Way out in Eastern Oregon! In our CD we voted to extend the meeting, used the secret ballots provided by the ORP, and VOTED ON our CD 2 Alternate Delegates and our At Large Alternate Delegates before adjourning.
Results of the votes was not allowed to be photographed by those who had been appointed to watch the vote, and has not been released to a
county Central Committee chair. (who attended the CD meeting)
The appointments did not uphold the PCP votes--according to our 2nd District Chairman and those who watched the vote.

The CENTRAL committee makes the rules.

Any chair or district chair could declare today's meeting void.

Actually they follow the by-laws they took an Oath to uphold

I think the Chairs of all the County districts will be there to fight for the intergrity of their elected seats and the rights that come with it.

My suggestion is, if they ask you to sign papers, SIGN PAPERS.

any new

news out of oregon?

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Any Update?

On how the alternates were assigned today?

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4 waz up?

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Live stream?

Can anyone from Oregon live Stream the proceedings?

Simply download the UStream App on your smart phone

Bump

Anyone from Oregon attending? Planning on updating us here on DP?

Oregon

Is a huge state.
Eugene is in Southern Oregon-LANE COUNTY
So refer to it as Southern Oregon-Lane County rather than Oregon.
Lane
Coos
Curry
Washington
Yamhill
Clackamas-Dist 4
Lincoln
Multnomah-District 5?

Keepin' it real.

This was an Oregon State

This was an Oregon State Executive Board Meeting.

the fact that it was held in Eugene Oregon doesn't mean that it was only in regards to Eugene, Lane County, CD4, or even Southern Oregon.

this was a meeting usurping the PCP votes and replacing duly elected AT LARGE Oregon State Alternate Delegates.

yes i was surprised this meeting was held in Eugene.. due to central location in the state, perhaps?

One Unifying Message for all of us

For the sake of the Delegates that we just worked hard to get elected, and to show why the Executive Committee should accept the votes we cast for our Alternate Delegates:

In Eugene tomorrow, let's demonstrate to the Oregon Republican Party the kind of behavior that they can expect of our Delegates and Alternates at the National Convention in Tampa.

Courtesy and Consistency without Compromise.