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Napolitano: Obamacare Ruling Will Drive Libertarians To Romney - Has the Judge lost his mind?

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Friday, June 29, 2012

Judge Andrew Napolitano told Fox News that small government libertarians who have so far refused to throw their support behind Mitt Romney will now do so as a result of yesterday’s Supreme Court decision to uphold Obamacare.

http://www.infowars.com/napolitano-obamacare-ruling-will-dri...

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The Judge needs to point this

The Judge needs to point this out:
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/courts-constitution
"As president, Mitt will nominate judges in the mold of Chief Justice Roberts"

And then point out the irony of this GOP ad that was running all over the place yesterday:
http://i.imgur.com/IjwHD.png
"OBAMACARE UPHELD. Elections have consequences. Make your voice count. GOP.com DONATE"

And then point out that Roberts was a Bush appointee.

Any "libertarian" who still feels pressured into voting Romney b/c of Obamacare after knowing all this is a damn fool.

One word

NUTS!!

"The problem is not those in power, the problem is right between your ears." ~Larken Rose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5FNDRgPOLs&list=FL4wdZ0dK3HG...

Practical Libertarians will

marijuana one issue, well meaning, but nieve libertarians won't.

the former get it better than the latter, Ron Paul is not a write in candidate in any state, so writting in Ron Paul is futile, as is voting 3rd party... it's self gratification and says you can't play in the big game because you don't know or don't care about Ron Paul Republicans that are legitimately seated on central committees, as we ALL should be, if we really want to restore constitutional government.

You forgot "cynical

You forgot "cynical libertarians who believe that libertarians continuing to vote for neocon GOP liars are acting like Charlie Brown rushing to kick Lucy's football" libertarians in your "won't" list.

Romney passed Romneycare. The GOP passed Bush's medicare prescription drug program. The GOP ain't gonna do squat about Obamacare other than to modify it slightly. And to do even that they have to have a miracle happen to take over control of the Senate.

Mainstream GOPers are no better than the Dems when it comes to liberty issues.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

Ok and I agree

But it's not about Romney, it's about the party and the Ron Paul central committee members having POWER to continue Ron Paul principles locally and states wide.

Obama wins and our committee neocons will be so hostile, I don't think we will last long in those seats. It's too hard facing Neocons when you are not Ron Paul, and only got on the committee to help Ron Paul. Still, if Romney wins, that will empower us as the neocons will also be happy they have power.. we just have got to get those seats filled.

It may be futile but, at least it's honest.

Seems to me like there is a lot of media spin going on to dull people's minds about the facts on Romney (NDAA, Romneycare being the model for Obamacare, etc.) in an effort to get them to vote for another puppet president. I'm not buying it. There are just too many suspicious things going on all of a sudden, one after another.

It's not that we don't care about RP Republicans already in or seeking political positions. Not all of us have the stomach to play the ugly political game. We do support those RP Republicans who have that ability, whether they do so out of self gratification or out of honest commitment. How in the world does supporting another NWO puppet do anything for our cause of Liberty?

I don't know the election laws in all 50 states but, I do know that where I live, I can write in my own name or even the name of a cartoon character, if I so choose. But, since I'm not looking for self gratification, I WILL write in Ron Paul because that is what my conscience tells me to do.

Not everyone who values the US Constitution and chooses to not compromise those values can survive in the dog eat dog world of American politics. Dr. Paul is a rare exception and if others are intelligent and able to follow that path, we will support them wholeheartedly as well. Do you honestly believe Romney fits that description? If so, go ahead and vote for him, especially if you think that helps your political ambitions and brings our legitimate laws back to life. I, for one, don't believe that for a NYC minute.

You sometimes surprise me, Granger. Kind of reminds me of the parable about throwing seeds.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Honest trash

It's still throwing away a vote because it won't count.

The race is between Romney and Ron Paul. Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes either. No one on my central committee was pulling for Romney, so unless the L4RP enable Ron Paul to actually get the nomination, voting for Ron Paul won't count, honest or not. It's something you are doing for yourself.

I only became a Republican a little over a year ago, when Ron Paul entered the race. I KNEW he was not going to go third party or Indy. I got his message, JOIN YOUR CENTRAL COMMITTEE, GET A SEAT.

So I began attending my Central Committee meetings, openly: "GO RON PAUL!" They were put off, shunned me, ignored me, didn't treat me very well. But I kept showing up, and I took my own roll call. When a member missed three meetings, I asked to be appointed. I did this repeatedly. Meanwhile, when the primary rolled around, I petitioned for ballot access, qualified, and won my seat through default, as no one ran against me.

There should be 21 seated people. There are 14 empyt seats. My county district was the only one that was full with 4 seats taken. One district has no one, the other three had three empty seats each. I prayed more Ron Paul Republicans would show up and take these seats. It became clear, that Ron Paul told the truth, by taking over these empty seats, we could win.

Well, people didn't show up to the meetings. They skipped everything and went to the conventions. That was like smacking a hornet's nest, and boy did I hear about, "Those Ron Paul people".

Since I have now shown up to more meetings than anyone but the Chair, I was appointed a seat. I educate myself on local issues and when we vet candidates and issues, I'm honest, and use Ron Paul's principles. They have come to like me, not sure if they trust me, but I'm OK, just "a Ron Paul looney".

For myself and Ron Paul Republicans like me, Romney is better to have in office than Obama. Obama wins and the 7 Neocons (two former Democrats who admitted the only reason they joined was to "keep the seats warm since no Republicans show up they are so embarrassed about what happened in the party"). These folks never met a tax they didn't LOVE, and they are not delegates and will vote for Obama, if they think Romney has the votes.

Obama wins, and the next two years, I'm facing a tsunami of Democratic Power, I can't stop. Romney wins, and I've got tremendous power to push for Ron Paul issues because they don't like Romney and think they can side with me to undo Romney.

Two meetings ago, a Ron Paul supporter showed up as a "Romney man". Right now, I am working to get the 14 open seats filled with Ron Paul Republicans. This is key. We wouldn't be dealing with L4RP if all of us had gone to take a seat in the first place.

There is no way I'm voting for Obama, or throwing my vote, because as much as I don't like Romney, it's more important to have a Republican president, despite his Obamaness. Ot's for my county and state, not him.

I would hate to abandon my seat, and hate for all of us Ron Paul Republicans to abandon our seats, but I can see this happening because we didn't go after the seats for personal reasons, but to get Ron Paul elected. He needed us and we stepped up for him. Why didn't everyone else?

Well Can't say the judge is

Well Can't say the judge is wrong, however, I will still write in Ron Paul. Choosing between the lesser of two evils as commander in chief; Hitler (Obama) vs Pol Pot (Romney), doesn't float with me. I might be willing to let my standards slide a bit when it comes to federal legislators and state legislators, as long they are for repealing Obamacare and nullifying Obamacare. This is going to be tough thanks to that idiot Roberts.

Sigh.

Some will vote for Romney. Some will write-in Paul. Some will vote for Johnson. Some will not vote at all.

Diluted like that, we will lose all of our impact and will have no effect or power on anything.

We must unite and throw all of our support behind Johnson. Whatever your reservations (and I have plenty myself), since he won't win they're irrelevant. What's much more important is that we unite to show our unity and power.


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

Minarchism
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But like wise why couldn't we

But like wise why couldn't we write in Paul? Besides, Tampa hasn't even come yet. In 2008, instead of writing in Ron Paul I voted Bob Barr...yeah huge mistake. I'm not saying Johnson is anything like Barr, but unless Paul decides to endorse Johnson, I see no reason for not writing in Ron Paul.

do you honestly think the

do you honestly think the people who count votes care about whether ron paul has 10,000 let alone 1,000,000 write in votes? good luck expecting them to even mention how many votes he gets, if they're even properly counted.

Won't do anything

Writing in Ron Paul won't do anything. I would like to vote for Ron Paul too, but I see that it won't accomplish anything, because a lot of states don't count write in votes. If we want to be an effective movement we have to make an impact. The best way to do that is for us all to vote Gary Johnson, if Ron Paul does not get the nomination. If we all get behind Gary Johnson and spread the message, the better chance that Johnson will be able to get in the debates. For any movement its all about making an impact, that way they will see the movements strength and then they will no longer be able to ignore the movement.

"To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions.

Hmm I guess you're right I

Hmm I guess you're right I never considered the impact of having Johnson in the debates. What does he need, 15%? Well either way I will make my decision after Tampa, depending on whether Ron wins or we can influence the platform. Then we're left with two choices: Slowly changing the republican party or supporting Johnson for another shot at a liberty candidate. This is tough I will not lie.

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my name isn't daisy

so no one is driving me anywhere

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Maybe Not Libertarians

....But Republicans and some Indies will vote Mitt RobMe.
Libertarians will vote for Johnson IF Paul is NOT on the ballot.
Newly registered Repub_Activists will either vote Johnson or save their gas money and buy gold and silver.
Disenchanted Dems will stay home.

And this was all planned in advance.

Wake up people.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Fuhgeddaboudit!

The Judge is right

If the choices on the ballot are Johnson, Obama and Romney, the decision yesterday -- to the extent it has an effect on libertarian votes -- pushes libertarians towards Romney as people are stirred up about repeal. I would expect the move to be marginal, but real.

We don't have to like something for it to exist and we shouldn't jump on our friends for honest commentary.

I'll be voting for Gary. At

I'll be voting for Gary. At least I'll sleep easier with that knowledge as my taxes are raised to excruciating levels... Maybe I'll retire early and leave this country finally. The world is a big place and politics is such a small pursuit.

He's right, as usual.

Most will. At least, most of those who vote.

Doesn't mean it's right, or will make any difference in policy. But many libertarians will be desperate enough to give Mittens a chance.

BTW, not me.

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

I think he is mostly correct

Not every one, and not many of the hard core libertarians here, but the Jack Hunter types mostly will, as will some of the ones that planned protest votes for GJ.

The Tea party libertarians will be more than energized by this, and Romney's lie that he will repeal it.

Ah!

That would be a no.