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Considerations on a Ron Paul - 3rd party or write-in campaign and the future of the liberty movement.

Fight for Ron Paul to get the nomination! If he doesn't get the nomination then you have to consider your options for how you will vote for in November. When you are making your decision you should be aware of certain facts that effect whether your vote will be counted.

8 states do not allow write-in votes: Arkansas, Hawaii, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Mexico, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Dakota.

See a map that details ballot laws: http://imgur.com/9JvHj

Many states that do allow a write-in vote require that the candidate themselves register as a write-in candidate and be certified for their write-in votes to be counted. To be registered and certified as a third party candidate you must have the required signatures turned in by the dates below or the votes will not be counted and reported. As you can see it is already past that date in some states:

State, Signatures, Due date
CT. #7,500 June 4
NC. 85,379 June 14
VT. #1,000 June 14
IL. #25,000 June 25
NM. 18,053 June 27
TX. 80,778 June 29
IN. #34,195 June 30
NV. 7,013 July 6
DE. [est]6,500 July 15
OK. 43,890, July 15
FL. 112,174 July 15
SC. 10,000 July 15
MI. 30,000 July 19
MO. 10,000 July 30
NJ. #800 July 30
MA. #10,000 July 31
AR. #1,000 Aug 1
CA. 172,859 Aug 1
PA. 20,601 Aug 1
WV. #7,135 Aug 1
GA. #51,845 Aug 6
KS. 5,000 Aug 6
MD. [est]35,000 Aug 6
SD. 3,171 Aug 7
WI. #2,000 Aug 7
AK. #3,271 Aug 8
DC. [est]#3,900 Aug 8
ME. #4,000 Aug 8
NH. #3,000 Aug 8
OH. 5,000 Aug 8
CO. #pay $500 Aug 10
MT. #5,000 Aug 15
UT. #1,000 Aug 15
TN. 275 Aug 16
IA. #1,500 Aug 17
MN. #2,000 Aug 21
NY. #15,000 Aug 21
ID. 1,000 Aug 24
VA. #10,000 Aug 24
OR. 18,279 Aug 28
WA. #1,000 Aug 28
WY. 3,740 Aug 28
NE. 2,500 Sept 1
LA. #pay $500 Sept 4
AL. 5,000 Sept 6
AL. 5,000 Sept 6
AZ. [est]#27,000 Sept 7
HI. #4,536 Sept 7
KY. #5,000 Sept 7
MS. 1,000 Sept.7
ND. #4,000 Sept 7
RI. #1,000 Sept 7
#=partisan label permitted [other than "independent"]

The date for certification will be past in many of those states by the time of the Republican Convention in Tampa. Ron Paul cannot be registering as a write-in candidate if he expects to fight for the nomination in Tampa as this would offend the Republican Party and diminish his chances of securing the nomination. If he is not registered and certified, most states will not count or report write-ins for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul has no intention to run third party or as a write-in candidate if he does not get the nomination and has said that he is retiring if he doesn't get the nomination. In light of the facts laid out here your vote for him would be most likely not be counted or reported if you wanted to send a message by writing him in anyway.

Ron Paul has stated that the R[̲̅ə̲̅٨̲̅٥̲̅٦̲̅]ution goes on with or without him. It is time that we look to the future of the Liberty Movement for November and far into the future. It would be a shame if everything that Ron has helped to build fell apart without Ron leading from the front.

I would like to urge every soldier in the fight for Liberty to take a serious look at Gary Johnson the Libertarian Candidate For President. Ron Paul ran for president in 1988 as the Libertarian Party Candidate and is an honorary Libertarian Party member for life. Gary Johnson is spot-on with 95% of Ron Paul's policies and has executive experience as a popular two term Governor of New Mexico where he vetoed more spending bills than the Governors of all the other states combined. No one can be Ron Paul but Gary Johnson is pretty close and by far the best Liberty Candidate that will be on the ballot in November if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination in Tampa. In fact, Gary Johnson will be the only candidate besides Obama and the Republican nominee that will be on the ballot in all 50 states!

Ron Paul pioneered the tactic of fighting from the inside and taking over the GOP from within. If Ron does not get the nomination in Tampa no one will know who you vote for on your secret ballot in November. It's not a primary, you will not be asked your party, you will be able to vote for any candidate from whatever party you wish and no one has to know who you personally voted for. We can fight for Liberty within the GOP and we can fight for Liberty from without by helping to grow the Libertarian Party, a party that Ron Paul ran as the Presidential Candidate for in 1988, all at the same time. If Dr. Paul does not get the nomination in November there will be no Liberty Candidate for President running in the GOP. I know I will never vote for Romney and I don't think you will either. You can send a message of Liberty to the GOP and the world that will be counted and reported by voting for the Libertarian Candidate Gary Johnson.

Take a look at Libertarian Candidate Gary Johnson with an open mind and consider if you think that the Liberty Movement throwing their weight behind him in November if Ron Paul does not get the nomination is the best option to advance the Liberty Movement at this time. We have a facebook group dedicated to those who want to know more about Gary Johnson so that you can consider your options for a contingency plan if we do not have a desirable outcome in Tampa. Please check us out:

Ron Paul Supporters Taking a Look at Gary Johnson - Libertarian
http://www.facebook.com/groups/170478946416753/

See a map that details ballot rules: http://i.imgur.com/9JvHj.png

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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

This is the current status of Gary Johnson / James Gray's ballot access. As you can see they are already going to be on the ballot in most states and are going to beat the deadlines on the rest. They will be on the ballot in all 50 states:
http://www.lp.org/2012-ballot-access

This is an example of an application to be a write-in candidate. You will notice on this application that Ron Paul himself will have to sign this application or write-in votes in Connecticut will not be counted or reported. How many states have the same rules to have write-in votes counted and reported?:
http://www.sots.ct.gov/sots/lib/sots/electionservices/misc/e...

Ron Paul has no intention of running 3rd Party or as a write-in candidate if he does not get the GOP nomination. Listen to Ron Paul's own words on his plans after Tampa if he doesn't get the nomination:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0HCwa0Qp5A&feature=player_de...

Will Ron Paul endorse Gary Johnson if there is not a desirable outcome in Tampa? No one can know for sure but Reason reported last year before Ron Paul decided to run that Ron Paul would "most likely" throw his weight behind Johnson. "I can't imagine endorsing anybody else," he says. Read it at:
http://reason.com/blog/2010/11/04/ron-paul-on-gary-johnson-i...

The Federal Elections Commission reports that Ron Paul got 42,426 votes as a write-in in 2008 while the Libertarian Party candidate got 523,715 votes, more than 10 times as many. More may have voted for Paul but because of the rules they were not counted or reported. Gary Johnson is a much better candidate than the candidate that the Libertarian Party ran in 2008 and will surely get many more votes. Gary will be on the ballot in all 50 states.

Federal Election Commission 2008 Presidential Votes:
http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2008/tables2008.pdf

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What is "liberty"?

In virtue of what is liberty liberty?

You used the word.

Charles Jackson
http://MathIsChristian.wordpress.com Also, read Ron Paul's original staff economist Gary North at http://teapartyeconomist.com/

Liberty?

Liberty to me is my right to free association and all consensual behavior without fear.

Anonymous Libertarians
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Arbitrary.

What makes that, and not something else, liberty?

Charles Jackson
http://MathIsChristian.wordpress.com Also, read Ron Paul's original staff economist Gary North at http://teapartyeconomist.com/

Wow, surprised at how you are declaring defeat before Tampa!!

Why would I even CONSIDER Gary Johnson or ANYONE who is not Ron Paul while Ron Paul IS STILL RUNNING!?! GEEEEEZE!! Wait until after Tampa before jumping ship, people!!!! = RON PAUL CAN STILL TAKE THIS THING!! I AM READY FOR DOCTOR PRESIDENT!!

Just so you all know...

Gary Johnson is Pro-Choice (pro-abortion). Due to that fact and a few others, I cannot vote for him. He is FAR from being like Ron Paul.

Not so much "pro-abortion"...

...as anti-conscription.

That is, the rights of the host should not be held hostage to the interests of the unwelcome parasite feeding on her.

dynamite anthrax supreme court white house tea party jihad
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Cretan, you're a heartless individual. If a woman doesn't want

A "parasite", maybe she shouldn't create one. I pray you do not have children. I surely wouldn't want them to find how really feel about them.

Never been to Crete...

..let alone born there, so I could hardly be a Cretan. On the other hand, I suppose it is conceivable that I'm none too bright, so perhaps I could qualify for "cretin" (if I study real hard?).

Sadly, from the perspective of your premise, I DO have children, and all of them know that they were and are cherished boons to their host mothers and me. The point is, ONLY the host mother is qualified to determine whether an organism that is feeding off her flesh and compromising her health is a parasite or a symbiont. The one just takes, the other gives back sublime joy and abundant anticipation.

And now, just lately, a grandfather, I am delighted to realize that my own spawn (with spouse) shares my own fervent pro-life optimism.

I am one lucky dude, even if "heartless."

dynamite anthrax supreme court white house tea party jihad
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West of 89
a novel of another america
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/161155#longdescr

Good response.

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I'm voting for Gary Johnson.

I'm voting for Gary Johnson. He's the only Liberty-minded candidate that will be on the ballot in all 50 states in November.

To bad no one has ever heard

To bad no one has ever heard of him.... He won't get enough votes to be noticed... I'll be voting for Obama... So we have a chance in 2016...

Voting for Obama is like

Voting for Obama is like voting for Mao in Communist China. You are aware that Ron Paul and Obama are on the opposite sides of the political spectrum? I would vote for Romney before I'd vote for Obama. Plus how do you know we will still have a Republic by 2016?

You do not speak for everyone

Just because you never heard of Gary Johnson does not mean that no one has heard of him. I was well aware of him 15 years ago and he was well known in the Medical Marijuana community. Your vote for Obama for the reasons you have given is the most bizarre and twisted logic that I have ever heard in all my years of political agitating. Just when you think that you have heard it all!

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call it what you will... a

call it what you will... a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama... A vote for Romney is a vote to lock up the Republican ticket for 8 years should he win.... Now after after all this work who wants to wait 8 years for another shot at using our newly elected party chairs? In 4 years we take even more and put Rand or another candidate up for the white house. Not to mention even the sleeping will be wide awake after 4 more..... They will be ready for the revolution.

Even before all this... The votes have not been counted in Tampa... Ron Paul is still in the race... At this point it is as it has always been... RON PAUL 2012

Amazing how so many Paul

Amazing how so many Paul supporters use the same arguments against Gary Johnson that the MSM & Establishment Repugs used against Ron Paul. It's Like Orwell's Animal Farm when the pigs start standing on two legs like humans. So many cultists, caring only about the man and not giving a crap about his ideas. But the Repugs coopted the Tea Party, so it shouldn't be surprising that they coopt the Paul revolution also.

"ROFLMFAO!" You roll on the

"ROFLMFAO!"

You roll on the floor laughing over that statement? Wow! You must be a riot at stand-up comedy. Cool comment, tell me more.

We would not face these options IF...

so many DPers had not bad mouthed Americans Elect and working with the LP and CP to nominate Ron Paul.

I hope all those DP naysayers will support the "Lawyers for Ron Paul" civil suit AND go to Tampa to support our delegates.

Ron Paul or

Nothing.

sovereign

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I would vote for Roseanne before I would vote for GJ.
She is the Green candidate and is MUCH better known then GJ.

If not Paul then
Roseanne-2012!!!
LOLOL

But NEVER fed lover GJ.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Stop with the GJ nonsense, he

Stop with the GJ nonsense, he literally has no chance of a nomination!

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Gary Johnson has no name and no support.
Only a few misplaced trolls here but his name is seen no where.
He will try and ride the Paul coattails, first Ron, then later Rand- but will never hold anything more then NM gov.
Johnson has no IDEA how to run a national campaign with no money.
Only a true conservative can do that.
Even Romney and Obama, with all their money, cant run their campaigns because of their vile records and their spending habits.
Ron has won every election here at home, and there have been 12, winning MORE of the vote and spending LESS money then the house election prior.
Just like we would expect from a true conservative.
Ron is not finished and has said he will have over "500 delegates on the floor in Tampa!"....That is a CONSERVATIVE number because Ron is CONSERVATIVE!lol
Gary Johnson is a passing fad for a few hundred thousand Americans, most of whom really want Paul and will vote for him if they get the chance.
Ron Paul has many more delegates then he's admitted to, and that you can be sure.
American Politics is amazing.
Believe when I tell you anything can happen.
Politics is going through a massive purge.
The younger generation is stepping up and it is hitting the establishment like a ton of bricks. Johnson is part of the establishment, no matter what anyone says.
He believes in the Central Bank System and has empirical foreign policy ideas and has no idea how to unwind what has been done.
GJ doesnt know the Constitution, how can he bring it back??
Besides, he is a big government, big spending, pro choice lib who will never ever ever become president, or even come close.
If it werent for Ron Paul trying to go stealth, Johnson would not even have a stage to stand on. Paul over shadows GJ in every possible light.
GJ knows Paul goes stealth to conserve funds, and thats why you wont hear from him until the convention. Paul supporters are diligently working and many many many do not even know the DP exists...
They dont even come online, their too BUSY organizing!
The Paul kids are out working setting up festivals and doing videos, the Johnson crew member is jealous and spamming!lol
Besides JOHNSON IS BROKE!lololol

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

"empirical foreign policy"?

Is that a foreign policy based on evidence and objective reasoning, consistent with the philosphy of "empiricism" as articulated by Scots philosopher David Hume?

Or did you mean "imperialist"?

dynamite anthrax supreme court white house tea party jihad
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West of 89
a novel of another america
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/161155#longdescr

You said Gary Johnson was "big spending" . . .

You said Gary Johnson was "big spending" but then you go on about how frugal he is on his campaign. Of all the false statements you made I just can't stop myself from answering to the ridiculous "big spending" statement. Here is some of Gary Johnson's track record as an executive:

Left office with New Mexico as one of the only four states in the country with a balanced budget

Left New Mexico with a budget surplus

Used Line Item Veto thousands of times to trim the budget

Vetoed 750 bills during his time in office; more than all other governors combined

Cut over 1,200 government jobs without firing anyone

First New Mexico Governor to challenge education status quo and propose statewide voucher program

Restored State General Fund reserves to more than $222 million from a low of $28.1 million

Limited annual state budget growth to 5.0% during eight years in office

Cut taxes 14 times while never raising them—a first for New Mexico

Vetoed 32% of the total number of bills submitted for his signature

Did Gary do these things as a popular two term Governor of New Mexico (94-02) to ride Ron Paul's coat tails? No, he did it because he is a wise man who is not a "big spending" liberal as you implied.

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UNLIKE

Unlike Ron Paul, GJ has no trac record.
Nothing in NM even begins to approach sunlight.
Budgets at the state levels are all smoke and mirrors.
Unlike GJ, Paul has a voting record.
A tested true business he has run for 4 decades and has flourished.
He has 1000's of hours of video on the house floor alone arguing for liberty and honesty in government. GJ can't even stand in the same zip code as Ron Paul!!ROFLMFAO!
Nothing of what youve written is provable!
NOTHING!
You have sighted all the GJ talking points of what you have been fed, and have regurgitated it on a Paul website.
You link nothing of what you write, and if you supply newspaper clippings, well they are known to spin too..
Go back and look.
When GJ left office, spending had increased in over 75% of government and the annual budget was BIGGER then the year before.
That is NOT a cut no matter how you wish it were.
Besides, GJ is BROKE! and has no organization.
No money bombs, no media, no stage.....
Only you and three or four others here who push him because you have no where else. Cool, but dont expect to be welcomed by everyone.
night.
To think GJ can wind down 7 wars and balance a $16T budget deficit in 3 years, is BEYOND laughable! Only Ron Paul could do that and no one else will do.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

spoken like a true establishmnet/media supporter

it is also ron paul that has no chance of the gop nomination. he has a shot as an independent, but you don't want paul to have chances over establishment bec that is what the media and his staff want.

you fear obamaney getting challenged and feel the need to protect them from serious debate and exposure.

jj

Hannity?

Is that you?

What Nomination?

What are you talking about? I am truly puzzled by this post. Are you so ill informed to think Johnson and Paul are competing for the Republican nomination? Or are you as trying to dissuade potential support of Johnson by the Liberty movement by misinformation.

Gary Johnson has *already* gotten the Libertarian Party's nomination. Unlike Ron Paul, barring a miracle, he *will* be on the ballot in November and Ron will not. What are you suggesting? That we stay home or cast a meaningless, uncounted write in vote. *That* will show them!

The Republican party has been a useful tool to give Ron Paul and the movement a forum. Once Ron is gone, do you think they will make that mistake again. Regardless, unless you are down with Romney or an elected GOP official, what do you have to lose supporting Johnson? A strong showing by the Libertarians this election cycle could supply the critical mass needed to become a major political party. A party I might add that the Liberty movement would not have to "infiltrate" or deal with fraud or dirty Establishment tricks. But would instead be welcomed with open arms.

What's wrong with that.

Thetis

What is wrong with that is that paul supporters are romney-gop-

paul supporters all at the same time. Hence, everyone knows it makes sense to vote for johnson if you truly want paul's ideas to be implemented and give estab a boot. But if you fear walking the talk and feel safer clinging onto the evil bosses and feel you need to keep serving them in a hidden, convaluded way, then they will thrash johnson just like they thrashed romney's cons rivals while leaving obama and romney alone.

jj

I have a very difficult time

rewarding the bad behavior of the GOP. I will not make a decision until the convention, but just maybe the Republicans need to lose this one and most importantly they need to know why.

GJ is not Liberty

Hes a Libertarian and a sucky one. He is not even close to the same thing as Ron Paul.

If you have the option you should be writing in Ron Paul, regardless of wether or not they throw away your vote.

GJ will not EVER get the nomination.

In my opinion, its the Romney people that push this GJ nonsense to divide the liberty movement.

Your all a bunch of tools being used by the GOP establishment if you vote GJ.

Unless you were never a liberty candidate, and just a Libertarian trying to earn respect among us true patriots....then by all means vote for your candidate, but he will not win, ill tell you that right now.