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US Opposes 'World Heritage Status' for Jesus’s Birthplace

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A Particular stable

Or a random location picked no doubt to screw somebody out of their property or property rights. I'm against it too. Do it privately if you wish. Buy it or stfu.

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The real estate in question

The real estate in question is the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, hardly a random location. Since the early centuries of Christianity that has been claimed to be the birthplace of Jesus. (Obviously this is not the sort of thing one can be certain about.) There are actually two churches at the site -- a basilica maintained by the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem, and a church at which the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem holds midnight mass every Christmas. I doubt that they object to the site having World Heritage Site status. Such a status does not mean that U.N. officials march in and take over the place. It does mean that the Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict applies, in which it is prohibited:

(a) To commit any acts of hostility directed against the historic monuments, works of art or places of worship which constitute the cultural or spiritual heritage of peoples;
(b) To use such objects in support of the military effort;
(c) To make such objects the object of reprisals.

I suspect that neither the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate nor the Latin Patriarch want the churches used as weapons depots by Hamas, nor as a target of shelling by the IDF. World Heritage Status would at least give them some legal status to prevent such things.

I am sure that alleged

I am sure that alleged Christian John Hagee is standing tall with Israel in opposing giving world heritage status to the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem.

It seems the dispute was procedural

I'm not sure being part of the world government list is good but I'm glad Palestine was fighting for it before Israel destroys it.

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The U.S. shouldn't even be part of

UNESCO. And why should it take any stance on any religious issue?

Israel and the US

are trying to demonize the Palestinians. Israel used tanks against the Church of the Nativity. I do not like the UN as much as the next freedom lover, but you should realize this is not good PR for Israel next time they want to shoot at the Church of the Nativity.

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Obey & Teach Law.

there is strong discussion in this thread below, that, if the Old Testament is rejected or valid. They have not quoted New Testament.

So, here is the relevant verse, see /read Matthew 5:17-19,
17 'Do not imagine that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete them. 18 In truth I tell you, till heaven and earth disappear, not one dot, not one little stroke, is to disappear from the Law until all its purpose is achieved. 19 Therefore, anyone who infringes even one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be considered the least in the kingdom of Heaven; but the person who keeps them and teaches them will be considered great in the kingdom of Heaven. = bible.com/passagesearchresults

"Until it's purpose is achieved."

The Old Testament was fulfilled when Christ rose from the dead. From then on there could be an understanding or expression that differed from the Old Testament way. The New Testament does not negate the Old Testament, but does change certain aspects.

"Till Heaven and Earth Disappear -~- ~- ",

Authentic Scripture contain history, Law, & foretell future events.
We have to be very careful, read the first words of verse 18, you quoted the last words. "Change"? We are not talking about Obama, but the Law. 2+2=4, always & every-where. It has been noticed and pointed out before that - the lying pens of the scribes inserted some faulty data into the books. We have to compare & discern the true from false, - and that is a difficult task & test. The real Text will be used to compare a soul's words & deeds on the last day, for Judgment.

For carefulness with words, see Matthew 12:36-37 =
[[ 36 So I tell you this, that for every unfounded word people utter they will answer on Judgement Day, 37 since it is by your words you will be justified, and by your words condemned. ]] copy-pasted.

"Lying pens of scrbes."

Forget it. Take the Holy Scriptures or don't. In effect, you are making your own personal judgements over anything in there, thus you may as well toss the whole thing and do what you like.

I do agree that 2+2=4 and that God is unchanging. However, He is in charge and His rules for us can change and DID when Christ died and rose from the dead. Before that time souls were under the darkness of Original Sin. They could be saved, but had to wait for the Redemption before they could enter into Heaven. After the Resurrection, the souls of the living could escape the guilt of Original Sin by the power of the Redemption through the waters of Baptism.

In the New Testament there was no longer a need for the bloody animal sacrifices that were a foreshodowing of the terrible death that God's Son would undergo for our sake. In the New Testament Christ is the Eternal Sacrifice that is kept on the altar by the priests who are the direct descendants of the original Apostles. They DO have the power of the priesthood which can be easily proven if you believe the New Testament.

I also agree that we must be extremely careful with words and guard the Holy Scriptures carefully. I am glad there is a Church that has done so unfailingly through all these thousands of years. Any Church that does not have the Holy Scriptures, the outlook of tradition and the power of the keys would be like our government without one of it's branches. The executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the US government all act together as one to complement each other and to keep each other in check. The Pope is similar to the President in that matter. He is not the dictator and certainly not god, as one poster suggested.

Easy

They don't want Christian pilgrims to come to Palestine and see the occupation and genocide being committed by Israel. Nor do they want any money going to the Palestinian people. Very simple.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Newbie in world affairs

I don't pay much attention to foreign problems. According to this article, it sounds like the UN will give Palestinians funds to maintain the Church of the Nativity.

http://www.imemc.org/article/63821

He who pays the piper calls the tunes. That would be my problem. But it sounds like Israel and the US object to the UN recognizing Palestinian control of the Church.

I'd appreciate a very simple explanation of what this is all about.

The Church should be maintained by the denomination that built it.

Although the great majority

Although the great majority of Palestinians are Muslim about 4% of the Palestinians are Christian.

Adding the link to the top

Actually I think the Church is maintained by multiple denominations who adhere to the code the Ottoman Empire laid out. It was so fair the code is recognized today as their law regardless of the status of said Empire.

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"Endangered" Church, = Heritage Site.

+1, thanks for posting the link, the title of the article says the site was "Endangered". In the last para is mentioned that the Zionist forces had shelled/ fired at it, caused damage. Surely it deserves to be protected and maintained for visitors/ pilgrims.

Your last line - who will maintain ? In 200-AD there were No denominations - such as catholic, protestant, orthodox, all of these cropped up much later. Before them were Nestorians, Copts, Armenian, - and even much before them were the Nazserene = the locals, they were/ are the earliest.

The United Nations is behind this?

Is this part of Agenda 21?

Does this place Bethlehem under UN jurisdiction? Does this this require UN members to respond to militarily, in the event of a false-flag attack.

The whole thing doesn't pass the smell test. I can see no advantages and too many likely disadvantages.

Time for the US to quit the UN and to de-fund it's operations.

Free includes debt-free!

the illegitimate UN

There's simply nothing legit about the UN, at all. "World Heritage" sites are UN, thus illegitimate, thus should be opposed. End of needed thought process.

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Agreed

but like Google, Facebook and other systems, we can use this against the globalists.

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The US government is more than is

The US government is more than evil enough to do things without the UN being behind it.

Christian Zionism is so

Christian Zionism is so unbelievabley moronic. The first Christians were PALESTINIAN!

You silly man.

Prof. Dr. Newt Salamader-Face Gingrich PhD (redundancy intended) tells us that Palestine and Palestinians are made up.

So how could the first Christians be made up of made up people?

I am pretty sure than Canada and Canadians are made up too.

But I will have to ask Newt.

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You mean, people living on the land of "Philistine" & Canaan.

Jesus was / is the Ultimate Jew.

The New Covenant makes us ALL humans children of Abraham :-)

I had to vote down for your ignorance.

Yes Christian Zionism is ignorant just as any earthly utopian quest no matter what the underlying belief is. But your second statement is just dumb. The first "Christians" were Jews. And people who reject Old Testament teachings are not true "Christians".

Just to clarify, are you

Just to clarify, are you saying then that today's Palestinian Christians are really Jews? For that is the logical implication of your insistence that the first Christians were Jews. Of course they were Jewish, but they are the ANCESTORS of many Palestinians, at least the Christian ones.

No my statement doesn't need clarification.

The first so called "Christians" were Jews. Messiah was a Jew and all the Apostles were Jews and they initially only preached to Jews. And they remained Jews until the day they died. And when I say Jew I mean that they kept Old Testament teaching. I admit that calling those who keep Old Testament teaching "Jews" is confusing since the Old Testament is not only for Jews but is the foundation Christianity. So maybe I should say practicing Jews to differentiate.

So the first so called "Christians" were practicing Jews as well as physical Jews. And kept Judaism all there lives. They didn't convert to Christianity but simply accepted Messiah as the perfection of their Faith. Christianity as we know it today is a farce.

and those Jews who became

and those Jews who became Christians are the ancestors of today's Palestinian Christians

I would have to see your evidence

before I could believe that because I see no way of substantiating it. You are telling me that the "Palestinians" are Jews. That does not compute.

I have an open mind so if you can show some proof I will entertain the thought.

But Christian Zionists would

But Christian Zionists would NEVER call the Palestinian Christians, who were the FIRST Christians, Jews. See the point? The first Christians were Jewish, yes, and their ancestors are now considered Palestinian, not Jewish! The irony is that these Palestinian Christians are more Semitic than most Jews.