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Hope Henley, Lawyers for Ron Paul, "...Federal delegates case is up to about 450 delegates..."

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The Federal Delegates Case is up to about 450 delegate plaintiffs courageously challenging the old guard GOP on the federal statutes regarding the delegate's unbound status. The Liberty Movement is alive and well and we are still in it to win it!

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"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." -Benjamin Franklin

Little Elm, Tx

Delegates to the State Conventions, you mean.

Since virtually all of the National Delegates/Alternates have steered clear of the lawsuit, what exactly is the point of all this? If there are no concomitant challenges being issued to the Committee on Contests, so that the disenfranchised delegates from the state conventions (the plaintiffs) have at least a shot at reinstatement, how does this lawsuit help them (or you, if you're a plaintiff)?
If they're not reinstated, why would a judge issue an injunction that wouldn't even apply to these plaintiffs.
This is a serious question.
Does anyone know the answer?

This whole thing is going to have a Darwinian result.

The idiots that signed up will forever be blacklisted from Republican leadership positions, which will create a vacuum for the smart liberty loving citizen to fill.

I am an optimist. What more can I say?

Personally I would be suprised if they had 20 plaintiffs, but either way, truth or lies, we ultimately will prevail.

I think I am done with this topic. I have fullfilled my role.

God Bless.

robot999's picture

You Lost

credibility a long time ago zsh. Let's breakdown your post:

(Start with a lie as a foundational assumption.) As if, YOU KNOW who is or is not a National Delegate, is just laughable and shows your desperation.

(Follow the foundational lie, with a "valid" question - containing a contrived negative conclusion.) State delegates/alternates can ask the Judge in their affidavits for reinstatement. If the evidence is strong enough (i.e. Mass), then that could happen. Richard has answered this question multiple times before. Time to get more training - grasshopper.

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

Yeah I lost credibility a long time ago, if credibility to you

is based on blind, robot faith, then sure, I'll agree with that.
First, (and I realize that your mental impairment is such, that I am probably wasting my time trying to educate you, but regardless, let's give it a shot):
The original plaintiffs are listed in the beginning of the filed lawsuit. State delegates, buddy, plus a National Delegate/Alternate or two.
As far as “450 delegates”, show me where it says that. Oh, you mean this thread post quoting Doctor Hope Henley, the same woman who sent me a Cease & Desist message for revealing that no, she isn't really a medical doctor?
Hmmm. If somebody puts “Dr.” in front of their name, in order to lend themselves, or their endeavors, credibility, then I am sure you will understand if I decide to take what they say, with a grain if salt.
Then you have Richard Gilbert, the man who said that he was purposefully keeping National Delegates from joining the case while he conducted a sting operation against the RNC with the help of US Intel. Then after the success of the sting operation that he bravely conducted in his mind, 40, no 70 National Delegates contacted him to join the case! Now 450! Next 10,000! Then a 1,000,000! I am sure Judge Carter (who Richard has “tried 1000's of cases in front of”, or wait, then it was “100's of cases in front of”, or actually just ONE -- which was dismissed) will be very impressed with RCG, Esq.
Also, in re Massachusetts, Richard can't help them, because the (actual) campaign wisely warned them to stay away.
And no, silly robot, the state delegates cannot ask the judge for reinstatement in a frickin’ “affidavit”, that's foolish. An affidavit is a documented statement of fact, a declaration, an oath. Something that you are swearing is true. Get it? The judge is not going to take their sworn testimony and then somehow make the Committee on Contests of the National Republican Party reinstate them, when there exists a procedure, internal to the party, for remedying the situation, which they have not attempted.

robot999's picture

Are YOU

a delegate or alternate? Precinct, County, State, CD, National? BE SPECIFIC.

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

“Be specific.” => Can't. Sorry.

I will tell you, that I am not a plaintiff in Richard Gilbert's lawsuit, but only because (even) you could've figured that out, anyway.

In America, We expect Liberty and Justice...

To the brave and laboring, may you, for all, prevail!
Thank you to those involved in this case.

President Paul 2012

why do they need this many?

don't they just need a few?

i mean great but, you know. what's the difference between 2, 10, 450, or 680?

Good question.

They technically, for the purpose of satisfying the requirements for a class action lawsuit, only need 1 person per state.

awesome

450 plaintiffs that's a lot of work.. they must be swamped, cheers to Gilbert and everyone involved.

Wow...Trolls are down-voting the good news like CRAZY!

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SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

sharkhearted's picture

Keep it up Hope! Ignore the troll downvotes...

We will prevail.

They CAN'T stop us!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

sharkhearted's picture

Keep it up Hope!

We need all the HOPE that we can get!

Thank you for your efforts. RON PAUL 2012!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Really?

This sounds like propaganda to me, and those posting with their encouraging, "Yeah, come join the party" message sound like they are in on it.

Two lawyers walk into a bar...

sharkhearted's picture

Really? Who's the propagandist here?

More like: Two trolls walk into a bar...

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Excuse me but have you talked to Hope? (She is a really nice person. Had an hour long conversation with her and she is a genuine VOLUNTEER and, on a side note, they are making some great headway.)

Have you looked at the toolsforjustice website and checked it out? (Its free).

Have you produced your own FEDERAL lawsuit like this attorney Richard Gilbert that everyone loves to malign for some reason...even if he is doing the work PRO BONO??

Oh. I thought not.

You just want to sit there in your arm chair and behind your laptop and make monday morning q-back calls.

if anything that sounds like propaganda...it is YOU.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

What is propaganda?

First of all, I meant no insult to Hope. I am sure she genuinely volunteers her time to a cause that she believes is right and just. I certainly did not comment out of disrespect to her, or any other volunteers.

But what is propaganda? (from wikipedia)

"Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position. Propaganda is usually repeated and dispersed over a wide variety of media in order to create the chosen result in audience attitudes. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda, in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus possibly lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda. Propaganda can be used as a form of political warfare."

One major type of propaganda, again directly from wikipedia:

Bandwagon
Bandwagon and "inevitable-victory" appeals attempt to persuade the target audience to join in and take the course of action that "everyone else is taking."
Inevitable victory: invites those not already on the bandwagon to join those already on the road to certain victory. Those already or at least partially on the bandwagon are reassured that staying aboard is their best course of action.
Join the crowd: This technique reinforces people's natural desire to be on the winning side. This technique is used to convince the audience that a program is an expression of an irresistible mass movement and that it is in their best interest to join."

Now, does it look like propaganda to anyone else for a message that gives no hint of actual real information about the lawsuit other than a rather questionable high number of delegates (thanks, zsh, for explaining this is state delegates), and why release the number of delegates joining anyway? isn't that kind of giving away some significant info to the opponent in the lawsuit (the RNC)? unless, of course, the only intention is to influence delegates who might read it to JOIN THE CROWD.

sharkhearted's picture

So...my question to you is....

No bandwagon needed for this psy-ops assault.

Simple question to you: What are YOU doing to help the liberty movement?

Me? I was a state delegate whose application was illegally thrown in the trash. I prevailed...and am going to press charges against that election fraud (long story!).

But seriously....what are YOU doing?

Where is your lawsuit?

What are you doing....(bandwagons psy-ops notwithstanding)?

Seriously. What are your efforts to date??

Lets see it.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Sorry for delay, and thank you for your question.

I am actually not at home at the moment and have only just checked in for a moment from a friend's computer.

Of course, your intent is to compare our relative contribution to the liberty movement. I can only humbly submit the following:

As a full-time mother of two and full-time high school English, math, and reading teacher, I acknowledge that my contribution is significantly more modest than yours. I am not a delegate, nor do I have a lawsuit to offer you as a solution for your dismissal.

So what DO I offer Dr. Paul? Well, before the Florida primary I met with fellow RP supporters and obtained a list of "supervoters" in my neighborhood. I printed out dozens of articles and information sheets about all the candidates, and walked my neighborhood, visiting door to door and sharing my thoughts and information with others. Unfortunately, many of the registered Republicans in my neighborhood at that time were either for Gingrich or Romney, but I had a few successes and when we gather in the street occasionally to watch children or pick up our newspapers/mail, my neighbors know where my husband and I stand and I have even fielded a few questions about Dr. Paul's position on Obamacare recently.

I was invited in June to attend an REC meeting, and so I did that. I intend to join that committee when I return from a short summer vacation. I will start out at the ground level, just meeting people and sharing concerns with them, and hopefully I will build a rapport with other Republican committee members and be able to serve in a more significant way in future. As I understand it, this has been Dr. Paul's recommendation.

But now, since you have asked, I must confess an involvement that I fear I may end up regretting.

A few weeks ago as the school year ended, I volunteered my time helping Paul Festival and Ron Paul Billboards locally. I also made a couple of recommendations on Dr. K.'s script for calling voters who may have been disenfranchised in their counties in Texas, and I volunteered to help with those calls (though he did not follow up on my offer of help, probably because I live in FL, not TX.) I don't think that the specific activities I performed for these groups is relevant to your question, nor do I think you want them laid out here, so I won't go into details.

I can only say that like many here, at that time I was deliriously happy with Dr. Paul's increasing success in pulling in delegate support, and I imagined that my efforts would only help him to win the nomination. We all know what happened next. Dr. Paul announced that he would hold his own Paul Rally, Doug Wead offered some thoughts about the L4RP lawsuit that were reserved, at best, and he also said that Dr. Paul needs to think about how best to PROTECT HIS NAME.

Now that comment of Doug Wead's hit me like a ton of bricks. I started reading everything I could find on Daily Paul about the lawsuit, about the Festival, about Dr.K's "research."

And to make a long story short, after seeing some of the tactics on this site, including yours, I am now convinced that Dr. Paul has very good reason for trying to protect his good name from those who would "take over his campaign." Like many, I have grieved over the last year for all the accusations of racism that Dr. Paul has had to endure because of those newsletters.

I am not trying to run some kind of "psyops" campaign. I have to laugh at the suggestion. I am only trying to make sense out of what I see, hear, and read here and elsewhere, and when I put this jigsaw puzzle together I DON'T LIKE WHAT I SEE.

So what is my contribution? Well, first and foremost, from now on I vow to "FIRST, DO NO HARM."

I am being 100% honest here. I don't KNOW what you, sharkhearted one, intend. That would imply inside information that I don't have. I have only called a spade a spade here, on this thread, because it IS a spade. This is propaganda, and you surely know it. That is why you try now to turn ridicule upon me.

I just hope that those reading will consider the facts, do the reading for themselves, and FIGURE OUT WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE, before it is too late. I pray it is not too late.

P.S. I welcome anyone with the slightest concern about my authenticity here to review my posting history over the last month or more. I think it speaks for itself.

Its not about Hope, Its about

Its not about Hope, Its about What does lawyers for Ron Paul have to do with the lawsuit?

Chris---this is karenabcde incarnated as Schnauzerguardian....

since Mary1 was chasing me this morning until I told him/her I was not interested, and changed my name.

There is probably no way to be ever sure about anything, but I also feel they are for real, and am excited about what they are doing. I think there is much more to their story in the works and it's all good.

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

sharkhearted's picture

Hey Karen

Great to hear. They are sincere and VOLUNTEER (can't stress that word enough) folks trying to stop the inexorable tide of fascism.

It is working. We will prevail.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

If they are up to 450, and this just got started, what if they

got up to half or more of the delegates? THAT will be fireworks.

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

wow

This must be putting some of the campaign into a difficult position. :P

donvino

Their hands are clean. It's the RNC and Romney who are

in a difficult position....the coolest thing is we have the delegate slate passer-outer guy in so many videos and he is on Romney's payroll and we have the payroll records. How cool is that?

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

I hope this is true!

We sure need as many delegates as possible. Every last one!

betty

I hope this is true. Keep up

I hope this is true. Keep up the good fight!!! We need to double our #'s by Tampa somehow.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Good.

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SequoiaTrees4RonPaul