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If the blackout lasts two weeks or more

what will you have done to cope?

A shelf full of gallon jugs of water, protected from light so no algae grows in them,, is a simple step almost anyone can take. A few cases of Ramen noodles won't cost much and will slip under your bed. A few extra flashlights and a large pack of batteries, some cans of beans, and you've made an excellent start on emergency preparedness for under $100.

What if the toilet won't flush? If you keep a couple extra boxes of trash bags you can open them to line your toilet for pooping. An industrial-strength debris bag can hold these poop-filled bags until the crisis is over.

Think about ways you depend on continuous electricity and devise alternative strategies.

Electric range? Have a camp stove and fuel and use it outdoors to avoid asphyxiation and fire risks.

Electric alarm clock? Have a windup alarm clock.

Burglar alarm? Get long duration battery backup.

Refrigerator? Keep a supply of non-perishable food.

On a well with electric pump? Keep 100 or more gallons of water in storage, plus a roll of poly film to deploy for rainwater catchment. If your well is shallow, consider investing in a manual pump for backup. Also consider an inexpensive gravity-feed water filter like this one: http://www.cheaperthandir... that screws into the bottom of a plastic bucket.

Electric heat? Have warm clothes and extra bedding or winter sleeping bags. Consider investing in a wood stove for backup.

Or you can invest in an alternate energy system like I did. I made my own photo-voltaic panels, bought solar cells on ebay, soldered them together, and bought some deep-cycle AGM batteries (safe to keep indoors), a 30-amp controller, a system meter, etc. plus a 3kw inverter that turns 12-volt battery current into 110-volt household current.

I also have a very quiet 3kw Honda generator (

http://youtu.be/2FnQ8Z8iYhg It's come in very handy during power outages. I even ran a 10-gauge line 250 feet from my big battery bank in my shipping container to the house to keep the refrigerator going in one power loss situation. I used the same line to plug in two auto battery chargers and recharge the batteries after the power came back on.

I still have most everything else on the list above except that my cache of flashlight batteries are mostly all rechargeables plus I have two solar battery chargers. Also I happen to be moving where there are no winters to worry about and there's plenty of rainwater to collect.

Being prepared is a journey. It can start small and be added to over time. Anyone can do it. Everyone SHOULD do it. A prepared population is a resilient and resistant population. Being at the mercy of government is not what we want here on the Daily Paul.

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I would go off the grid!

Its funny that there is a new show that is directly related to this situation. The New NBC tv show called Revolution TV Show ( http://revolutiontvshow.net ), that is supposed to be after the world looses electricity. I know its TV and not exactly real life but its worth checking out, who knows it could possibly happen!

Just wanted to point out

Just wanted to point out algae will not grow in a sealed container kept in direct sunlight...as a matter of fact, this is actually an easy was to purify water that has been filtered(through a simple sand filter for instance). You place it in a clear jug and put it in the sun...the sun will heat it enough over the course of a few hours to purify it enough to drink(you can also use a derivative of this method to make a still to desalinate salt water to drinking water with some copper tubing). A great book to read for survival methods(even though its novel) is "a distant eden" I got it off amazon as a free kindle ebook(if you dont have a kindle you can download a kindle app if you have a smartphone or on a computer you can download a program that will allow you to view it). It covers many different methods to acquire water..or convert it to drinkable. As well as other survival methods and what to expect in(god forbid) such an event.

I can personally verify the drinking water left in the direct sunlight thing myself...since I drank water left in these conditions myself for over 6 months not too long ago with no ill effects(though drinking warm water wasnt fun). The downside to leaving a plastic container in the sun is that eventually the container will become brittle and break(milk jugs will have the shortest life while those bluish water containers they use for water in places like offices will last a decent amount of time) glas of course will last for decades(not forever since glass is a liquid after all but I would guess somewhere close to 200 years)...but other than beer bottles you wont find much glass kin this day and age...avoid leaded glass of course..not that they use lead in it anymore but they used to. I'm not a survivalist...but I do read a lot of different things and for some reason I retain almost all of what I read.

On your recommendation

I ordered "A Distant Eden" in paperback. It arrived today and I'm about to begin reading it.

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it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

i will bump any topic

that has poop filled bags in it.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul


I like your spirit :-)

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Here's the installation video for the water filter:


The price is very attractive: $29.97 I bought two of these, one for backup. I should probably buy more. (No, I have no financial interest with the company.)

Here's a list of what they claim it removes:

The filtration efficiency is 0.5 micron
Removal capabilities as follows:
99% Arsenic 5 and 99% Arsenic 3 (special order)
99% Hydrogen Sulfide (H2S special order)
95% Chlorine and Chloramines
99% Taste
99% Odor
98% Aluminum
96% Iron
98% Lead
90% Pesticides
85% Herbicides
85% Insecticides
90% Rodenticides
85% Phenols
85% MTBE
85% Perchlorate
80% Trihalomethanes
95% Poly Aromatic Hydrocarbons
99.999% of particles larger than 0.5 micron (Staffordshire University Labs) (includes Anthrax)
99.7% of particles larger than 0.3 micron (Staffordshire University Labs)
98% of particles larger than 0.2 micron (Staffordshire University Labs)
100% Giardia Lamblia
100% Cyclospora
100% removal of live Cryptosporidium (WRc Standard)
100% removal of Cryptosporidium (NSF Standard 53 – A.C. fine dust – 4 log challenge)
100% removal of E. Coli, Vibrio Cholerae (Johns Hopkins University)
99.999% removal of Salmonella Typhil, Shigella Dysenteria, Kiebsiella Terrigena (Hyder Labs)

Product is silver impregnated and will not permit bacteria growth-through (mitosis) provides a hostile environment for all microbiological organisms and will not support their growth. Ceramic elements may be cleaned 100 or more times with a soft brush or damp cloth.

Filters are manufactured to meet:
National Sanitation Foundation (NSF) Standard 42
National Sanitation Foundation (NSF) Standard 53
ISO 9002 Quality Standard
USA AEL Laboratories
USA Analytical Food Laboratories
USA Johns Hopkins University Laboratory
Abbot Laboratory South Africa
University of Chihuahua Mexico
British 5750 Quality Standard
England’s Water Research council (WRc) Performance Standards

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We bought

100 of those filters to stock in our store. They are made for a man here in Texas that does ministry work in 3rd world counties. We did the red food coloring to test the filtering capability and it worked pretty well. I highly recommend these filters.

After a couple of months you need to take them loose and shake the media inside to keep it from compacting. Make sure you clasp the base as well as the filter in your hands when you do it so you don't break the seal.

These will also work with a pressurized bucket on top to provide water faster. They can be used in an under sink application as well.

Great to hear the background story.

I saw a YouTube video of a test of a different-shaped filter but it looked like the same "monolithic" type and at the end they said they had later pressurized the top bucket (or whatever they used) and got a much faster flow. It didn't take me more than a few seconds to figure out that a high head of water would work just as well as air pressure to speed things up. You could have the filter at the bottom of a vertical pipe but easier to handle would be a hose running from the input bucket to a much lower sealed container with the filter in the bottom.

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just checked cheperthandirt.com

and the Camp-352 is out of stock! Dangit!

However, you can leave your email and they will let you know when they get more in.


I just ordered two more of them.

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Got them yesterday.

Unless drought happens in the rain forest I should be set for years!

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Yeah, I'd better leave my email too

if I want to buy more of 'em.

I watched another video on DYI water filtration that gave me an idea for how to get a faster flow through one of these filters: put it at the bottom of a tall column of water to increase the pressure. This would not mean needing a large-diameter 20' tube, just a high bucket and a low sealed container with the filter mounted inside in the normal way and a hose connecting the two. In the video the guy said he fed in compressed air and it dramatically increased the flow but a good head of water would be easier to arrange, especially in a grid-down situation.

The system I have now is just what is shown, two stacked buckets, only mine are two camo-patterned ones that Home Depot carried briefly.

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For hand-operated well pumps:

Thank you for all this info McClarinJ

I love this thread. By following a few simple suggestions, no one need find themselves unprepared. And as was mentioned, it's a journey- but you have to START- even if it's just a can of beans- start somewhere and you'll be that much further ahead : )

My household needs can be

My household needs can be entirely supplied by my sunforce windmills and solar panels. I live on the side of a mountain, so we get nice downdrafts here. Keeps the villa nice and cool too!

BB guns

For annoying intruders.

"But you must remember, my fellow-citizens, that eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing." - Andrew Jackson

Pet Survival - Any Suggestions?

I've seen many good comments and suggestions, but not much if any about pets.

We have a medium sized dog and am looking for suggestions on how to help our pooch survive a bad situation. We have extra dog dry dog food and an airtight container that holds 60 pounds and we have about a 100 gallons of water and water purifiers, but I like some suggestions that I might not have thought about.

Let me know what you think.



If it was me

I think I'd get extra 60-lb. airtight containers, fill them with dry dog food that i would buy at the furthest-out "best by" date and rotate, always using the soonest-to-expire first. The same H2O storage you have for yourself would serve your dog of course. I'd also load up on dog medications.

If your dog is alert to approaching strangers it could save your life by discouraging a home invasion or by giving you time to grab a weapon.

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Maybe we need to

start "training" ourselves. When the dog starts barking, grab a weapon! Do NOT open the door first! Learn to protect yourself and your family. Do not assume anyone coming into your yard is some friend.

I just recently got almost completely prepared...

With a year supply of food for 4 people 3 meals per day (25 year shelf life, just add water)
Water purification (26,000 gal)
Rain harvest slimline barrels (bpa free life time guarantee)
Fuel- 1 year supply (non-explosive, indefinite shelf life, organic material, each pellet burns for 4-5 hours, water proof packaging)
I didn't get their meat, yet, but it has a 15 year shelf life and they had veggies and fruit too)
These guys had solar generators and even complete solar systems and Earthships with available property. They didn't have this on their website but they talked to me and showed pictures of their "Ready Domes" that are 16' or 32' around. They said their large domes can produce enough produce to feed about 15-25 people per day and about 3lbs-8lbs of trout per day. All aquaponics.

If anyone wants to see where I got my stuff, they hooked me up with te best deal and the best product, that I could find.

Here's their number- 877-517-3239

Cool guys too.

Depending on monetary fraud (The Federal Reserve) for national prosperity or a reversal of our downward spiral is riskier than depending on the lottery.
Inflation has been used to pay for all wars and empires as far back as ancient Rome. And they all en

Sounds like a major investment.

Freeze-dried, nitrogen-packed canned foods are great if you can afford them but give plenty of thought to what you'll do after they run out.

Also, think about defense strategies. What if your position is over-run by an armed gang? Can you escape? Will you have supplies prepositioned in one or more potential retreats? Will those supplies be hidden to minimize chances of their being stolen in your absence?

If TS really does HTF like we think it could then things could get mighty ugly and there will be a tremendous amount of human ingenuity harnessed to taking from the "haves" to feed the "have-nots," probably both by government entities and the have-nots themselves.

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Keep in mind that gas heat,

Keep in mind that gas heat, propane heat, and oil heat all require electricity to operate. In her previous house in southern New Hampshire my sister was able to stay at home during a 10 day winter blackout only because she had an old fashioned coal stove. She still had to subsist on bottled water and whatever food didn't require cooking or refrigeration. In her current house the primary source of heating in winter is a pellet stove. But a pellet stove requires electricity -- it has an auger and a small computer. So my sister has battery backup for the stove for short term blackouts and a gasoline generator for longer blackouts.

My propane heater

doesn't require electricity. I do have to either turn it down or off when I leave for an extended period and expect the day to warm up, but I never worry about whether the electricity will go off. Now a propane furnace would require electricity, but not a wall mounted or free standing heater.
Of course I just use it for supplemental heating, I normally use my wood stove! :)

I had to smile about this post

Living in New Orleans and growing up with hurricanes, survival stuff tends to be second nature...or so it feels like.

Besides candals, flashlights and wind-up radios...the Can-Opener, Matches and Cash are usually forgotten on the list people make. And the reason for why our parents always filled the bathtub with water, was not for drinking, but to be able to flush the toilet.

Charcoal, wood or propane are not always considered on the list for a bbq or fire pit. A variety of canned foods (meat, fish, veggies and fruits) and crackers verses bread. I usually think of foods that require no heating or cooling first on my list.

I still giggle about my Coleman decor after Hurricane Katrina.

Good list items.


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Thanks for the links. I spent a couple years w/o power

in a hippie commune back in the mid 70's and we used a stone spring box to chill the milk we got from our goats. As a kid I recall family cross-country car trips using a canvas water bag hung outside the car to chill our drinking water via evaporation. And of course before there was much use of Freon AC there were swamp coolers with mats of long poplar shreds to serve as evaporative surfaces. They worked great in the dry desert air, probably not so much in the humid Atlantic coast summers.

One other "no-energy" refrigeration technique is night-sky radiation loss, especially in desert regions with frequently clear nights. Exposed by night and insulated by day can produce ice in summer.

Automatic garden waterers can be made by reversing the evaporation process. Large stone cairns are built with enough porosity that breezes can blow through them, chilling the interior by night and bringing in warmer air that carries more moisture by day. The moisture deposits on the cold interior stones and soaks into the soil, providing drink for a thirsty melon or squash vine.

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and Thank you...

I want to build a large one based on the same principles...I saw a you tube last year of how the ancient Babylonians had huge walk in refrigerators.

I had to see that video

but alas, my attempts to find it were in vain.

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