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If they get this half of Ron Pauls people won't be able to vote

I would say half of Ron Paul supporters will not except an national ID I am one of them. I will not give the Govt. my personal property finger prints, eye scans, fascial scan. I knew the states where going to act like they where against it. Only one problem DMV's are not state run any more They were made private about 3 years ago. They are going to implement Real ID no matter what. Once they do you will have to show your ID to vote The supreme Court is ruling this week if showing your ID causes anyone not to get to vote. It will stop me cold. I will not be able to have a job. I will be a refugee in my own country. My family tree can be traced to getting off some of the first boats that come to this country. I will not be aloud to buy or sell anything. Any one who helps me or feeds me wil have their ID card turned off and be an enemy of the Govt. They say the only reason states don't want to implement it is cause of the cost. I don't want it cause it will cost me my life. I would sooner die free than be in bondage. When I was growing up we had drills at our school in case of a nuclear attack by Russia. I would go home and pray that God would not let Russia bomb my house. As affraid of that as I might of been this Real ID and this Govt. scares me 10 x worse. It is coming get ready. You will bow down or you will DIE!!!!!

http://www.government-id-summit.com/conference.agenda.asp

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0907/458430.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070925/ts_alt_afp/usjusticeexe...

Does this raise any red flags to anyone else!




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I didn't know....

that DMVs are not state run anymore! Maybe that is why Montana passed a law saying that it is against the law for the DMV in Montana to do Real ID. I guess that makes Montana's law the strongest in the nation.

I would like to move to a state that would protect me from the Real ID, but even those states with strong laws, I am afraid, will cave. The federal government will withhold all kinds of federal money from those states just like they are doing with Texas, because Texas passed that two year moratorium to temporarily stop the Trans Texas Corridor (NAFTA Superhighway).

Also, the people who live in those states, that say they won't do Real ID, will scream bloody-murder when they can't get their Social Security. That will also cause those states to cave.

I've asked Ron Paul supporters, at meetup group meetings here in TN, whether or not they will take the Real ID. I'm very sorry to have to report that only about 5% say they will not take it. If EVERYONE who is against it would refuse to take it we would WIN!

This issue is the #1 reason why I'm so motivated to do EVERYTHING I can to help Ron Paul win!

(CNN) Americans may need passports to board domestic flights

Does anyone remember this sweet article from CNN?

"Federal ID plan raises privacy concerns"

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/16/real.id/index.html?ir...

Excerpts

:Americans may need passports to board domestic flights or to picnic in a national park next year if they live in one of the states defying the federal Real ID Act.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff says there are no plans for a federal database of drivers' information.

The act, signed in 2005 as part of an emergency military spending and tsunami relief bill, aims to weave driver's licenses and state ID cards into a sort of national identification system by May 2008. The law sets baseline criteria for how driver's licenses will be issued and what information they must contain.

The Department of Homeland Security insists Real ID is an essential weapon in the war on terror, but privacy and civil liberties watchdogs are calling the initiative an overly intrusive measure that smacks of Big Brother.

Everyone must visit DMV by 2013

It called instead for states to begin issuing new federal licenses, lasting no longer than eight years, by May 11, 2008, unless they are granted an extension.

It also requires all 245 million license and state ID holders to visit their local departments of motor vehicles and apply for a Real ID by 2013. Applicants must bring a photo ID, birth certificate, proof of Social Security number and proof of residence, and states must maintain and protect massive databases housing the information.

Chertoff said there would be repercussions for states choosing not to comply.

"This is not a mandate," Chertoff said. "A state doesn't have to do this, but if the state doesn't have -- at the end of the day, at the end of the deadline -- Real ID-compliant licenses then the state cannot expect that those licenses will be accepted for federal purposes."

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National ID Card

Since when did the Republican Party become so concerned about fair elections?? So this is why they want a national ID card. Do not believe it.This is one violation with regard to my civil liberties I will not accept.

jimt

Of course it does.

I'd venture to say there isn't anybody who frequents this board or anybody across the nation who supports Ron Paul who isn't horrified by all this National ID crap. It's one of the reasons for the sense of urgency we have. As far as the Supreme Court ruling on this, don't panic yet.

www.paulforronpaul.com

You speak the truth, my friend

And for all of you who think we shouldn't be talking about these types of issues because they are "too conspiritorial" - all I have to say is - TOO BAD !!

These are the issues which brought Ron Paul to prominence, and they will CONTINUE to be the issues which will prevail throughout the duration of his campaign.

This campaign's MOST important duty is the re-education of America which will then start a rEVOLution.

I get goose bumps watching Ron Paul courageously state the truth in each and every one of these debates. He's not watering down his message, nor should we.

Don't let the momentum die.

Don't stop talking about the REAL issues, no matter how controversial they may be.

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