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Christians , who is your favorite Tzadik?

Do Christians ever study the Talmud? Any mystical Christians out there?

I think nahmanides is a good intro to Kabbala, if you would like to grow in your understanding of historical judeo-chistian stuff.

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I think there's more "to get out of" Kabbalah

But at the end of the day, it's still a religion trying to control your thoughts and behavior.

Good luck trying to have a decent discussion with most around here, when it comes to religion...the christians around here are to stuck and believe it's evil to think beyond what they are told to think.

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Are those the Christians that

Are those the Christians that think that casting death spells in graveyards is a little evil?

Per the WND article below.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

It's not what goes into a man, that makes him evil.

It's what comes out of a man.

Guilt by association seems petty.

There are dangerous ideas that tempt us to judge others others good or evil. The gods judge themselves righteous and good, naturally. Are we like gods, judging good and evil?

If not, then what is the proper approach when evaluating bad ideas. Should a man be guilty because of the ideas he may hold today.

Or should he simply be held accountable for his murders, maiming, theft and frauds, whatever ideology he has or lack thereof.

Should an idea be held in contempt because a bad man or bad men held it. It may be suspect. Still the idea holds no power to force itself upon a wary hearer.

However, Bad ideas are tempting.

Free includes debt-free!

Amen.

Amen.

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Speaking of graveyards...

Any body know why Geni in India hang out at graveyards?? They are collecting spirits, I hear. I guess they don't bury the dead, but just pile 'em up. Where would the spirits go without a new (human) host?

What if god had a secret so important it could not be trusted to 'ordinary' men? I think the hypothesis is at least tenable. If he did however trust it to a few of the more "righteous" , maybe their cabal is actually doing his work and the rest are still groping blindly in the (plato's)cave. Can you have a "Lord" AND be Free? I'm not so sure.

Just a little out of the box/cave thought, try to give these things some honest thought, it's ALL about freedom. Can anyone tell me the specific passages where Jesus said "make no oaths" was this the same as "taking the lords name in vain" This are all questions that I DO not have an answer to, I welcome scholarly discussion and debate, so don't be foolishly rushin' to hate.

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Science says: the body is a machine.
Advertising says: The body is a business.
The Body says: I am a fiesta.”
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Priest says to rabbi...

"Let's go screw an alterboy."

Rabbi says ," outa what?"

Taking a good close look at your belief system may be more important for us all than
Auditing the Fed.

You can quote me on that one.

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I agree with David Robertson.

Why are you bringing all this kaballah crap on here? What is going on lately? I don't mind an open discussion on peoples' views but what has this got to do with Ron Paul?

Kabbalah is the source of all of the most evil doctrines in the world. It is a mixture of Zoroastrianism and the Bible. It is the progenitor of Gnosticism, the Knights Templar heresies, the doctrines of the Freemasons, Mormonism, Rosicrucianism, the New Age Movement, and every super-evil concoction in the world.

The Bible doesn't need a bunch of extra wise men with no qualifications to augment its message. Christ and the apostles expounded it, and they established their credibility with supernatural works. None of the "tsaddiks" did this. This term "Judeo-Christian" is really being abused.

John F

Most of our occult problems seems to come from Kabbalah

Kaballah is also the source of the word "cabal" or secret society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabal

It is where most of the occult witchcraft seems to come from. It is broken up into practical and esoteric teachings, with the teachings seeming to center around attacking and undermining the Bible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practical_Kabbalah

It seems to be intimately related to the popular use of the six pointed star today, which in German is where we get the term a WITCH from - ie hexe, and it is also the source of HEX or to curse someone. In the real Bible, there is no God given six pointed star, although it might be what acts mentions as an occult symbol of the apostate Jews. It isn't from David, and no where in the Bible is it mentioned as so. But it may be from when Solomon worshiped other gods, when he apostazied.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=hex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram#Usage_in_occultism

Acts 7:43
43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Here's an example of friendly neocon paper Worldnetdaily getting themselves involved in a Kaballah "death spell" in a graveyard in Israel. Note - part of the spell was that it had to be published, so WND - who apparently KNOWS these people, does it.

http://www.wnd.com/2005/07/31479/

Looks like two attempts at assassination to me, one by gunfire, and one by poison, against the prime ministers of Israel, with the part of the spell that "you have to let the victim know you are doing it" being terrorism. Not very nice people.

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Cabal, of $ecrecy & Magic.

+1, thanks for the informative post. Much of the Kabbalist's endeavors (alchemy or magic)) were/ are related to forging gold, they desired to 'create' it. Surely they could Not, so they opted for the other kind of magic = U$ury, this one has bewildered so many, as the Debt-Clock keeps adding 'money'. 0000000000.00

So if you have 20+ Rabbis

So if you have 20+ Rabbis involved in this occult witchcraft in a graveyard, they represented at least 2,000 people (if there is 100 people per synagogue and 20 synagogues)

WND:
"The Pulsa Dinura was held late Thursday night in an ancient cemetery in the town of Rosh Pina. It was performed by a kabbalist, who recited prayers that were repeated by 20 men, who, in line with kabbalistic tradition, were all over the age of 40, bearded and first purified themselves in a ritual bath. Describing the ceremony, participant Baruch Ben Yosef, an activist attorney, told WND, "It was done in a beautiful cemetery with a thick forest around it, under a full moon. We performed it near the graveside of Shlomo Ben Yosef [the first Jew to be hanged by the British in Palestine after carrying out a revenge attack on an Arab bus.] "The actual prayer of the Pulsa Dinura was read by the kabbalist. There was a quorum of people that read back the prayer as he read it. And the hope we expressed is that the angels of Kaballah will remove Sharon from continuing to destroy the Jewish people and the land of Israel." Dayan said, "We are making what we have done public now because you are not supposed to curse a deaf person. You can't curse someone who doesn't know what you did and can't hear you."

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By the way, the wikipedia

By the way, the wikipedia article seems to be a whitewash - recent editing?, but compare it to the WND article and casting death spells in graveyards.

Followed by two assassination attempts against two different Israel prime ministers.

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re - Wikipedia, edits & deletes.

+1, yes, I have noticed it too, re Wikipedia - whitewash. I think some nasty jokers have managed to enter the editorial board of Wiki, now they are playing tricks with the contents.
The world-wide internet users find Wiki a great store of data, a source, a reference, with easy access - just a click, then copy & forward.

On 3 occasions some very useful content vital at a given time went missing.
1. "Mitigating Circumstances". Two years back - when there was huge media rage against Catholic clergy regarding child molestation, I looked for "Mitigating Circumstances" (which I had read a week before) on wiki - it was missing, it led to another page with Not similar content.
2. "Sacred Names", contents removed, replaced with white-washed material.

3. "U$ury", the article went missing the day before,, I reported this on DP, then it was returned last night.

These kinds of tricks have been played before, is on-going. Many publishers of dictionaries have done the same. Oxford of UK and Princeton of U$A are leaders in the game. They even edit /change/ insert into Scriptures, re the Scofield bible building the case for zionism.

The Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 7:17 For here is the testimony about him: “You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.”

Melchizedek=King of Righteousness.

Philippians 1:9 And I pray this, that your love may abound even more and more in knowledge and every kind of insight 1:10 so that you can decide what is best, and thus be sincere and blameless for the day of Christ, 1:11 filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ to the glory and praise of God.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

His name

And this is His Name whereby He shall be called:
‘YHUH our Righteousness.’

Melchizedek

first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace

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Hear, O Israel: YHUH our God YHUH one. And thou shalt love YHUH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

What

is the Talmud?

Talmud = "Other Israel".

see - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6657600254881054584

Talmud is a nasty & racist book, it says foul things about the honored Maseah and his virtuous mother, Maryum. The authors, ancient Pharisees, whipped people and forbade them to take/ mention the name of the Maseah.

See Acts 5:40-41, = 40 and they (the Pharisee priests)) had the apostles called in, gave orders for them to be flogged, warned them not to speak in the name of __*__ and released them. 41 And so they left the presence of the Council, glad to have had the honour of suffering humiliation for the sake of the name.

You can find quotes of it

You can find quotes of it online at some Christian websites, and also full copies of it.

I posted a copy of the very long part over the Rabbis arguing over whether sacrificing your children to Molech is actually violating God's laws if you do it this way or that way.

When you start to understand how much we're being lied to when this stuff is right out there in plain view, and the hexagon has always been directly tied to witchcraft - hexe in German, and cursing people - hex, you start to question a lot of things. The first being, why are we friends with these guys at all?

The only thing we ought to be doing is witnessing the gospel to unsaved Jewish people, hoping that some of them are saved according to God's will through Jesus Christ.

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As far as sacrificing children...

The holy book remains less than clear on the subject.

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Jesus Christ came to save

Jesus Christ came to save those that are lost.

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SaDiQ

Brad, many may not be aware of the root of this word, so I am posting link to Wiki article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzadik

more later on the contents of Talmud ~ ~

Wow

No Christian Mystics at DP, that may explain alot.

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