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CERN experiments observe particle consistent with long-sought Higgs boson

From the CERN Press Release:

“We observe in our data clear signs of a new particle, at the level of 5 sigma, in the mass region around 126 GeV. The outstanding performance of the LHC and ATLAS and the huge efforts of many people have brought us to this exciting stage,” said ATLAS experiment spokesperson Fabiola Gianotti, “but a little more time is needed to prepare these results for publication.”

"The results are preliminary but the 5 sigma signal at around 125 GeV we’re seeing is dramatic. This is indeed a new particle. We know it must be a boson and it’s the heaviest boson ever found,” said CMS experiment spokesperson Joe Incandela. “The implications are very significant and it is precisely for this reason that we must be extremely diligent in all of our studies and cross-checks."

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Liveblogging of announcement @ Guardian.co.uk

See also Reuters.

From NYT:

ASPEN, Colo. — Physicists working at CERN’s Large Hadron Collider said Wednesday that they had discovered a new subatomic particle that looks for all the world like the Higgs boson, a potential key to an understanding of why elementary particles have mass and indeed to the existence of diversity and life in the universe.

“I think we have it,” Rolf-Dieter Heuer, the director general of CERN, said in an interview from his office outside Geneva, calling the discovery “a historic milestone.” His words signaled what is probably the beginning of the end for one of the longest, most expensive searches in the history of science. If scientists are lucky, the discovery could lead to a new understanding of how the universe began.

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Is the 'God particle' an

Is the 'God particle' an impostor? Scientists claim signal found in Large Hadron Collider may not be Higgs after all

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2171611/Is-Go...

I have a Higgs boson ...

in my garage! I take it out for a drive on really nice days!

I don't know who first came

I don't know who first came up with the ridiculous "God particle" label for the Higgs boson, but I agree with theists and atheists alike that that's about the most meaningless, bogus description for an elementary particle ever devised. The Higgs boson is important because it is the last particle predicted by the Standard Model to be found. In some way that I don't pretend to understand it is supposed to explain how certain other particles get their mass. The Higgs particle has nothing to do with proving the existence of God, disproving the existence of God, or substituting for God. It's just another particle, one that was hard to find because it is very massive and very short lived.

Verifying the existence of the Higgs particle is important basic science, I hope the European taxpayers feel they got their 10 billion euros worth. At least that's better than spending a hundred times that much on unnecessary war, which is what we Americans have done.

Is this not an important leap

In Quantum and Particle Physics though? I heard it could really advance our understanding of dimensions through the fabled 'string theory'? Theoretical Physics is amazingly trippy even if this IS bogus we duly name it the god particle because it's the main ingredient binding the atom together or am I off track here?

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I did say that the discovery

I did say that the discovery of the Higgs particle is important. It completes the Standard Model, and if it hadn't been found, some modification to the Standard Model would have been necessary.

As for what holds atoms together -- electrons are bound to the nucleus by the good old electric force, carried by photons. The protons and neutrons in the nucleus are bound by the nuclear force, a residual effect of the strong force. Quarks within the neutrons and protons are also held together by the strong force. The strong force is carried by gluons.

My highly inexpert understanding is that the Higgs field is what gives elementary particles mass, but it isn't mass that holds the atoms together. Gravity, which acts upon mass, is a negligible force at the atomic scale. The electric force acts upon electric charge and the strong force acts upon color charge, so those properties and their associated forces, not mass, are what hold atoms together.

Leon Lederman is the culprit (or his publisher)

http://www.dailypaul.com/243140/cern-announces-strong-eviden...

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God Particle Propaganda

If you have Stephen Hawking pushing the "Standard" physics model, then you know it's propaganda. Proves Stephen Hawking is a Fake.

Every story and Wikipedia admits that they didn't find anything, but that they did find something "a “Higgslike” particle"... Nice CERN computer generated animation, Fake...

It's all a cover up of Nikola Tesla, Infinite, Black Hole Universe & Free Energy.

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With all due respect to Stephen Hawking, he's a flip-flopper!

[Does Hawking support Romney?]

For Hawking to write something for profound as this:

"However, if we discover a complete theory, it should in time be understandable by everyone, not just by a few scientists. Then we shall all, philosophers, scientists and just ordinary people, be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason -- for then we should know the mind of God. (p.193, A Brief History of Time)"

Then later to say:

Hawking: God did not create the universe
God did not create the universe and the “Big Bang” was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics, the eminent British theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking argues in a new book.
http://www.phenomenica.com/2010/09/hawking-god-did-not-creat...

What is the word to use for this ?

Ugh..

I'm sick of the term 'God Particle' - and I'm an ATHEIST.

This is a pretty amazing discovery, if they've finally cracked the Higgs boson, in the world of science it's huge. If the Big Bang Theory were a car engine, this is kind of like the spark plug that finally makes it.. 'work'.

But it doesn't really have anything to do with disproving a creator, and calling it the 'God Particle' detracts from the achievement and turns it into a pointless religious debate.

I loved what one of the scientists close to this said.. he thinks it should be called the 'God-damn Particle' - because it's been so god-damned hard to find. :)

Higgs too

Peter Higgs is sick of the name, and he is an atheist like yourself.

It started with a book called The God Particle by Leon Lederman. He said he wanted to call it "That God Damned Particle," but the publisher would not allow it. It is not clear to me if that is true or if he was joking. In any case, the damage was done.

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Finding the Higgs boson is the least of the problems ....

w/the Big Bang theory. If you give someone a hammer, like CERN, they are going to find some nails, like the finding of this boson. Examples of some problems with the Big Bang: Dark matter, Dark Energy, Periodicity of red shifted galaxies, and quasars with ages incompatible with the galaxies they are in. These are just some of the problems with the Big Bang. Even if what these scientists found is deed the Higgs boson, these problems above with the Big Bang remain unexplainable by the present model.

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sooo...god does indeed exist?

sooo...god does indeed exist? the athiests will be shocked

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfRkcJ0BLS0

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Reminds me of this

Bigfoot Hunters Detect Signs of the Hairy Beast in Siberia

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020375260457664...

I have an idea

i heard somewhere, searching ever deeper into the micro and macro universe is like peering into a Mandelbrot set.

But i could be wrong, please send money so i can research and find out for sure.

PS: I'm thinking, we should insert a few banksters at the opposite ends of a CERN tube, then hurl them towards each other at the speed of anything. Who knows what we'll find when we crack open a few bankers.

:-)

hmmmm

So we're ok talking about subatomic particles, but not Gary Johnson? Got it.

The Second Enlightment

has just arrived! This is a HUGE day for particle physics. We should always approach new findings with skepticism but the data looks very promising.

***To the misinformed. Just to clear some things up Elementary particles are not made up of "smaller" ones. The Higgs Boson is an elementary particle just like a Photon or a Quark which is not divisible into anything. The Higgs boson is created with Energy and its a particle in Itself; NOT the smaller part of an other. Hope this helped =)

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

And its not really even a particle

Like you might think of a soot particle. Its part of a type of wave/field kind of thingy.

And in fact,what really happened is that when some certain protons collided at extremely high speeds, there was different types of radiation observed consistent with the theory of the Higgs Boson.

Are those the same guys

Are those the same guys saying raw milk kills? Bunch of morons desperate for another Gov. grant.

Of course

they're not the same guys. Stop being simple minded.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself." - Thomas Jefferson

If I may say so...

this announcement by these scientist is no different than Obama saying the economy is growing.

These scientist/the world has spent tons of money creating this experiment trying to find this particle and the world wants to know its money wasn't wasted. There had to be a press release. Even the scientist say, "we haven't really found it."

This whole thing stinks of politics. It's like Obama/the Fed injecting billions of stimulus and coming out with the announcement that jobless claims were down last month by .01%. Well...that's great...but it doesn't necessarily mean anything. They're just trying to justify everything. Either the economy is healing or it's not.

Either you found the particle or you haven't and they admit they haven't yet.

It's all just slight of hand to justify their actions...

Religous or not...this stinks of politics.

No,

getting closer to understanding the nature of mass and matter has no bearing whatsoever on anything.

And no, they did not admit they had not found it. In fact they are fairly certain they did, but want to analyze (scrutinize) everything BEFORE they say they did.

yes they did...

look it up...there are plenty of quotes that confirm what I said about them saying they haven't truly found it.

I read two articles with quotes from the very scientist on the project basically say, "well we pretty much found it, but we still haven't really seen it...everything is just pointing in that direction." Two of those quotes I listed below.

Circular arguments

are not that interesting, to me...

Now that you mention it

I did read that the Higgs is so unstable that the only way to detect it is by trying to read the signs after it has decayed. So in that essence, you are right. What the scientists have detected are the footprints indicating the foot, and not the foot itself. And then it still needs to be determined if that foot has the properties of the Higgs.

yes

right...i've read that too

Finding a fundamental particle of nature

is not the same thing as building a bridge to no-where, blowing up bridges somewhere, or starting some welfare scheme that doesn't solve the underlying incentive problem. When the electron was discovered people didn't know what to make of it. When the atom was split, people didn't know what to make of it. Just because we don't know what to make of things when we find them doesn't mean they're useless. A lot of the technology we now take for granted is due to discoveries like these made by our predecessors.

Besides, the Europeans are footing the bill so it shouldn't bother us. Though I agree that I wish more private funding would take over for Govt money. Someday we'll have it all and quit thinking in terms of false-choices.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself." - Thomas Jefferson

haha!

Yes...especially to the last point.

To be honest too...and maybe I've just grown to skeptical of certain things since becoming a Paul supporter, but these types of "discoveries" involve the same type of hype and are held with the same type of hype as global warming. It's just all suspicious...what do they have to gain from this "discovery"? (which I don't think it's been fully truly discovered yet).

Well for one, it means more money, some people get rich, people get to keep their jobs, the lab stays open, further studies are done, more people are hired...a whole economy grows around this "discovery" just like the discovery of "global warming."

It is government funded and we all know those employees like to justify their existence.

I just want people to look more with an open mind and really look at it. We've been duped before by some of these types of turds.

For some reason, with science, some people just automatically go science = truth. Which we all know isn't always necessarily true.

It's best to be agnostic than to jump on a bandwaggon

if you're not sure of the consequences, validity etc. Particle physics is definitely not global warming or climate "science". It's too bad climate freaks have given all other scientists a bad name because until they showed up, at least physics had consistently (and continues to do so) proven its credibility with very real discoveries which have impacted our lives via technology which we all now take for granted. Don't do guilt by association. Physicists aren't trying to fool anyone. Unlike climate "science", if physicists are wrong it's easy to call them out on it. The systems they deal with aren't complex. There's nowhere to hide. If you learn the math, you can understand what they're saying too. Whereas climate "science" and modern macro-econ hide behind unsolvable high-order non-linear PED's. The media is to blame for a lot of the frenzy. Of course physicists can always do a better job of communicating what it is they're doing to the public, but the truth is, physics is F'n technical (I'm a grad student I know). It's unfortunate because that makes it easy for those "on the outside" to be super skeptical even though physicists aren't making policy recommendations usually (ever?), while climate "whores" I mean "scientists" continue to destroy the good name of science in the public eye. Don't destroy what has allowed us to increase our level of material comfort as much as Capitalism has: real science. Physics is a real science.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself." - Thomas Jefferson