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CERN experiments observe particle consistent with long-sought Higgs boson

From the CERN Press Release:

“We observe in our data clear signs of a new particle, at the level of 5 sigma, in the mass region around 126 GeV. The outstanding performance of the LHC and ATLAS and the huge efforts of many people have brought us to this exciting stage,” said ATLAS experiment spokesperson Fabiola Gianotti, “but a little more time is needed to prepare these results for publication.”

"The results are preliminary but the 5 sigma signal at around 125 GeV we’re seeing is dramatic. This is indeed a new particle. We know it must be a boson and it’s the heaviest boson ever found,” said CMS experiment spokesperson Joe Incandela. “The implications are very significant and it is precisely for this reason that we must be extremely diligent in all of our studies and cross-checks."

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Liveblogging of announcement @ Guardian.co.uk

See also Reuters.

From NYT:

ASPEN, Colo. — Physicists working at CERN’s Large Hadron Collider said Wednesday that they had discovered a new subatomic particle that looks for all the world like the Higgs boson, a potential key to an understanding of why elementary particles have mass and indeed to the existence of diversity and life in the universe.

“I think we have it,” Rolf-Dieter Heuer, the director general of CERN, said in an interview from his office outside Geneva, calling the discovery “a historic milestone.” His words signaled what is probably the beginning of the end for one of the longest, most expensive searches in the history of science. If scientists are lucky, the discovery could lead to a new understanding of how the universe began.

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They are not 100% sure

yet as of today, but looks very promising....

Greater than 99% is a pretty

Greater than 99% is a pretty good indicator.

Way hot

It's the heat that does it, not the proximity of humans.

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For there to be a God Particle, there had to have been a....

Big Bang, but was there a Big Bang? There is a lot of evidence that there was never a Big Bang. In other words, a static, non-expanding universe, a timeless space something that is much more consistent with an Almighty than a moment of creation. Red Shifts are periodic, occurring in regular intervals, unexplained by the Big Bang. The irreconcilable ages of Quasars also throw a wrench in the Big bang theory. However, since none of this can be explained, this information is ignored (like Ron Paul is ignored). They found something at CERN, but what this particle is and how this will change our perceptions about the universe remain to be worked-out.

Redshift Periodicity - What does it mean for the Big Bang?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEw7l3Fi6e4&feature=results_m...

What's Wrong with the Big Bang Theory?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHVLSMAJmPg&feature=fvwrel

lol, I like how you threw in Ron Paul there

You made your post relevant.

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Yup. Everthing somehow should relate to Ron Paul.

I try. Thanks!

God Particle is

Just a layman term for the masses. The big bang theory is just a lay term for those who have forgotten/ or refuse to believe in their Soul, and their co-creating of existence.
Love your neighbor, and free them from the delusion.

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There cannot be a Higgs boson without an origin of the universe.

Is that better? The terminology doesn't matter. The Affordability Care Act is Obamacare. There is no difference.

The big bang was needed to have a Higg boson:

"Scientists working at the world's biggest atom smasher in Switzerland say they have discovered what could be the long-sought Higgs boson, a subatomic particle dubbed the "God particle" because it is believed to have originated during the Big Bang and helped shape the subatomic particles that make up all matter in the universe."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/07/04/higgs-boson-go...

Terminology does matter

People are controlled everyday, based on their ignorance of language. We are in a land of confusion, and plenty of psychopaths that wield language as a tool of power. Example: Is it a tax or a penalty? Doesn't this just frame the debate, in terms that distract from the truth?
The individual mandate came from republican think tanks, but with a title like Obamacare, the anger is focused. Win Win for those in power.

I'm excited about the news, but I can see this dividing us, and that will only harm us.

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Telgraph: scientists 99.999% sure 'God Particle' has been found

Higgs boson: scientists 99.999% sure 'God Particle' has been found
Scientists believe they have captured the elusive "God particle" that gives matter mass and holds the physical fabric of the universe together.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/large-hadron-collider/937...

Telegraph wrong

They did not announce that they are 99.999% sure. Newspaper writers always get that wrong. Search for "confidence intervals" in the previous messages. The term "God particle" is ridiculous too. See previous comment.

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5 sigma is only 99.9767%. They overstated. You are right.

http://www.eurosixsigma.com/sixsigma/sigma_table.htm

"Scientists say it is a 5 sigma result which means they are 99.999% sure they have found a new particle."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/large-hadron-collider/937...

I am not saying they

I am not saying they overstated. I am saying the 5-sigma number does not represent that they are X percent "sure" for any X large or small. It only says something about how likely it would be to get a similar result if the data were some kind of random background noise - danged unlikely as it turns out.

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The "God Particle"

That term was made up by a book publisher who knew little about physics, but disapproved of some author's reference to the theoretical particle as "that godd---ed particle." Peter Higgs does not like the term. He is an atheist, but he disapproves of the term because he thinks it might offend believers. I might add, also it is ridiculous.

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Sure the term is ridiculous,

Sure the term is ridiculous, but that's the magic of good marketing, isn't it? Everyone n the world is aware of this (inaccurate, but memorable) term.

CERN and biblical prophecy

Seeing that CERN's mascot is Lord Shiva, the god of destruction, the company perhaps is playing a role in the biblical end-times prophecy.

The company describes itself as the gateway to the universe. Could the God Particle enable a portal to the location of extradimensional beings?

See more at:

http://www.seedtheseries.com/blog/BR307.html

2 Chron 7:13-14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Funny how...

people are voting my post down without spending the time to actually click the link and read the information

2 Chron 7:13-14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Can't find what doesn't exist... in the way they think it does

From all I've studied, practiced and live I have come to believe that what they are looking for is not a particle at all but an energetic wave—the quantum field or dark matter. Even recent studies of the atom show that it behaves more like a wave rather than a particle. They're basically looking for material proof for consciousness without using the word consciousness—which is hilarious since without consciousness studies like science would not exist. But whatever. Seems there is a lot of money being spent on NOT finding the truth. Look at NASA. It's just a front to make us believe space exploration is difficult and not important. Gingrich sure helped making it a joke too with his moon base comments. CERN is to quantum science what NASA is to space exploration=an over-funded dead end.

You want to find the illusive god particle? Stop looking for a physical particle and add consciousness into the equation!

For those interested in this field of study, I can suggest the book "Source Field Investigations" by David Wilcock. It's a collection of all of the studies, past and recent, on the study of this field and the amazing new implications it has on our reality and our perception of it. Great all-in-one guide.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

And just how much physics

And just how much physics have you studied? I am guessing not much. That matter and light has characteristics of both particles and waves is a core part of quantum mechanics.

And what does the search for the particle, which shows how everything has mass, have anything to do with consciousness?(beyond just the fact that you have to be conscious to interpret the results)(I hope you arnt taking this "god particle" name literally)

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Definitely particles

Richard Feynman has some excellent videos on Youtube that are very accessible to a layman. He shows how light comes in discrete packets called photons, and how the (admittedly bizarre) probabilistic manner in which they are observed leads to phenomenon that look like waves. Good stuff. Feynman is always a joy to watch. The photons are not waves, but the probability of one of them being found in a particular spot moves in waves of "amplitude," which is a square root of a probability.

There are four known force fields in nature. Only three of them are known to be produced by collisions with certain particles. Only three of them are known to amount to the same thing at extremely high temperatures. Today's announcement adds considerable evidence that the fourth field, gravity, is the same kind of phenomenon.

Concerning the ridiculous "God particle" term ... That name was made up by a book publisher who knew little about physics, but disapproved of some author's reference to the theoretical particle as "that godd---ed particle." Higgs does not like the term. He is an atheist, but he disapproves of the term because he thinks it might offend believers.

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correct!

You may be referring to this video of Feynman's.

His (unrelated) Los Alamos From Below talk is a great listen.

"You underestimate the character of man." | "So be off now, and set about it." | Up for a game?

That's one

I have watched every Feynman video I can find, including all four parts of that lecture series. I also watched a lecture for more advanced students that I could not understand at all, yet somehow it was fun anyway.

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Getting defensive already?

I've studied enough quantum physics to apply it in a spiritual understanding. An understanding that has allowed many people, such as myself, to see links with ancient knowledge much of which is even in the Bible.

Of course I don't take it literally. That was the whole point of my statement but it sounds like you jumped to conclusions and began your reply with an attempted insults. Don't waste your time because no one's disrespectful comment has any effect on my "ego".

If you want to have a respectful conversation, I'm all for it.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Felt as if I were there

I watched the whole two-hour presentation live, in the wee small hours this AM. There was much of it I could not understand of course. But it was exciting nonetheless. Two separate research groups came up with the same result: There is a previously unknown particle with mass around 126Gev/c^2. It is to all appearances consistent with the theoretical Higgs boson. Three times the room erupted into a loud ovation, once when each team showed the most telling chart, and then a long standing ovation at the end. As the last talk was finishing up, the camera went to 83 year old Peter Higgs who was sitting in the third row. He was removing his glasses and blotting his eyes with a handkerchief as he choked back tears.

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cern is one expensive fuking ring of cult and a publicly funded

circus show.. looking at these geeky boomer geezers smiling in the photographs accompanying this announcement, it almost makes you wonder. perhaps the last attention they got from claiming to have found faster than the speed of light wasn't enough attention to make them happy. maybe they did find something faster than the speed of light and proved themselves useful. no, it must be the news in the wrong, claiming they did not.

so what would a list look like if i get money from the eu?

"EU, Brussels"? or "Intel, funding through contract with EU, contract condition a sponsor to CERN"

or "automatic acquisition of a large piece of land out of the blue", eminent domain from X number of local vine owners, or "rejection of sale of public lands to X private companies, because it was reserved for a big fuking excuse for science"

and it's not strange they made no ecstatic announcements last year, before EU was yet to hit the fan. what, was it still under construction? this year when budget crisis escalates, one good news of 'discovery' after another. and as global economies tank and even major corporations are having revenue loss and facing S&P downgrades, no, private funding is 100% equal as they started. they keep funding this circus show like a fool. don't know man, something doesn't look adding up.

i see some computer companies there, even an animation company i like. companies are cutting back their own internal R&D, even electronics and computer hardware that rely heavily on R&D to survive.. but no.. they're funding PARTICLE PHYSICS instead.. lol.. okay.. whatever.

Around 126Gev in the mass

Around 126Gev in the mass region of Sigma 5. Of course, I knew it all along. It's so obvious now, looking back.

It is a very large particle

Not sure if you are being serious or not, pardon my explanation if so. Mass is energy. Particles of the Standard Model are measured in terms of energy rather than mass for two reasons:

1) It doesn't make sense to quote particle masses in something almost meaningless like yoctograms. Alternatively, you could choose one common particle and measure everything relative to that, however the difference between the lightest and heaviest elemental particles is about 1:250,000 so it's quite a spread.

2) Stating particle masses in terms of energy is convenient because it is an indication of how much energy you need to feed to the colliding particles to create them.

If the Higgs Boson is 126GeV, then at the bare minimum you would need to accelerate two colliding particles with 63GeV each to create one which can be detected. Typically, you need much more than just 1/2 the energy each though. The particle they've discovered weighs, by itself, as much as an entire atom of Xenon (54 protons, 54 electrons, 77 neutrons)!

Sigma 5 is a confidence interval. The higher the Sigma value, the more certain they are that the results aren't due to chance. A value of 5 means they are 99.99994% certain it's a real result. Note that even with that confidence, they are still not definitively calling this particle the Higgs. Give them credit for that.

I was joking. I didn't mean

I was joking. I didn't mean to imply anything by it. I think it's pretty awesome, if only because I don't understand the first thing about it. Science and maths are not my forte. Still nice that you take time out to and explain though!