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Countering/Converting Gary Johnson People - Open Thread

This Gary Johnson thing has progressed to where I feel he could end up 'de-railing' the RP/Liberty Movement.

Gonna go out on a limb here and just say it - Gary Johnson will never be president (in 2012 at least).

Assuming that is true, how do we get the GJ people over to 'our' side???

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If Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination the whole country


Its our ONLY chance to survive.

But if he doesn't win - then Gary Johnson is the next best option. I already have my bumper stickers and my shirt. I will not wear them or put them on and will happily BURN them with Ron Paul as the nominee.

But if that doesn't happen - I am ready for phase two.

If Ron Paul wins the

If Ron Paul wins the nomination, I am sure that the GJ people will be on Rons side. the problem with the diehard libertarians who were hoodwinked in voting for neocon barr last time, is that they just can't wait till the Republican national convention is over. can't wait a few weeks folks? If Ron Paul does not get the nomination I am strongly leaning towards GJ. But is don't want to hear a word about him till the Republican nomination battle is over.

Ron Paul ONLY!

Must read and pass on!!Watch the video!


The Quiet War On Ballot Access

by R. Lee Wrights

Not all of America's wars are clear and visible. For decades establishment politicians have been waging a quiet, secret war most Americans don't even realize is going on. But this war is just as destructive of our liberty as the war in Afghanistan, the war on drugs, the war on taxpayers and the myriads of other conflicts our government is waging.

This war is stealing one of our most precious birthrights, the right to vote for the representative of our choice. It is the war on ballot access. Unlike other wars, the war on ballot access is waged by a united front of Democrats and Republicans who always willingly and eagerly stand together to restrict and obstruct any contender for political power but themselves. They've seized control of a nation and have no intention of ever relinquishing their stranglehold on the reigns of power.

Most Americans are oblivious to the monopoly of power exercised by the Democrats and Republicans because they've been conditioned to believe that "America has always had a two- party" system. Even some otherwise honest and intelligent Republicans and Democrats believe this is the way it's always been, and seem genuinely amazed when they're told how difficult it is for third-party and independent candidates to get on the ballot in many states.

That's exactly what the professional political class wants them to believe. The arrogance of the two-party establishment feeds on itself; the longer it maintains and holds sole power, the more convinced it becomes of its rightness. They see nothing wrong in limiting your choices. In their haughty position of self-importance, they piously proclaim that having more than two choices on the ballot would only result in a "cluttered ballot" and "voter confusion."

These claims are merely a cover for their cynical belief that American voters are too uninformed and uneducated -- in other words, too stupid -- to make decisions from a long list of choices, unlike voters in countries like Iraq. The same politicians who piously demand other nations institute "democracy" have no qualms about blatantly denying to their own people the right to vote for representatives of their choice.

The stark truth is, if you're not a Republican or a Democrat in the United States of America, you are a slave to a government controlled by a majority that forces it's will upon you. Restrictive ballot access laws, perpetuated by the two-party duopoly, are the ultimate abuse of power. They're depressing testimony to the mortification and calcification of the two-party system to the point that it is close to death.

"One of the best-kept secrets in American politics is that the two-party system has long been brain-dead maintained by a life-support system that protects the established parties from rivals," said Theodore J. Lowi, senior professor of American Institutions at Cornell University. "The two-party system would collapse in an instant if the tubes were pulled and the IVs were cut. And until then, the dominant two parties will not, and cannot, reform a system in which they are the principal beneficiaries."

In almost every case, state ballot access laws are an impediment to our rights, our freedom and our liberty. They're designed exclusively to muzzle dissent and limit voter choice in order to secure power for the ruling class. In this election, however, America will have a clear choice and an opportunity to pull the IV tubes on the two-party duopoly.

Libertarian presidential candidate Gov. Gary Johnson may well be on the ballot in all 50 states. But to make that happen, the Libertarian Party needs funds to secure ballot access in 19 more states. You can help that effort here.

Then on Nov. 6, 2012, be Libertarian one time and vote Libertarian to stop the war on ballot access. Help us achieve a historic one million votes for the Libertarian candidate for president. Send a clear message to Democrats and Republicans that it is your choice, your vote, your rights, and you will no longer stand idly by while they take them away from you.

Enough is enough! Make them remember this November! Vote Libertarian!

R. Lee Wrights is a writer and political activist living in Texas. He is currently the Vice Chair of the Libertarian Party national committee. He is the co-founder and editor of the free speech online magazine Liberty For All. Contact Lee at rleewrights@gmail.com.

Go libertarian party - thx for truth of crony rp republicans.

you are right on. being a republican and continuing to run as a republican is inappropriate when you really want to fight for liberty.

it is not that big of a secret, hence you were downvoted for speaking truth. 2 party system is to keep rivals out. so anyone running on republican ticket is not much of a rival. unfortunately, many rp supporters are infact not libertarians though steal ideas from libertarian ideas, but do not want them to be enacted.

this is called being a serial hypocrite. clearly, newt is not a serial hypocrite.


what difference does this make

Gary Johnson is not winning anything. The Libertarian party has been a failure for a long time. Even spending 10 minutes on this subject is a complete waste of time. If you want to vote for him in November, fine. That is perfectly acceptable. But do understand it will not matter. Our only chance in this election cycle is throwing the hail mary to Dr. Paul.

Campaigning for Johnosn on the DP is a complete joke and a waste of many people's time.

is there a countering Mitt Romney thread?

or are we just picking on midgets we have a chance of beating?

Maybe countering Obama?

Seems to me that anyone vaguely liberty related goes through a spanish inquisition while all the REAL opposition get a free pass.

Insane thread

Insane thread

Ventura 2012

Privatization Of Prisons

When Gary Johnson was Governor of New Mexico he privatized HALF of the prisons in the state. The privatization of prisons is NOT a pro-liberty issue! He MUST be stopped. There is a move to privatize ALL prisons in the country and this MUST be stopped! Check out my video, What's This I Hear About Gary Johnson... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW82-A_oE_Y&feature=channel&l...

leave people alone

This is not a cult, let individuals make up their own mind.

Neither Paul nor Johnson will get elected this year

However, Gary Johnson will be on the ballot in most states (if not all 50). A vote for Romney (draft dodger & yankee liberal) is not a vote for the Liberty movement. I am a Ron Paul supporter first, but I realize that Dr. Paul will not be on the ballot in November. We fought the good fight to get the good doctor the Republican nomination. Now is the time to send the Republican party a message that we will not vote for the neocon anti-liberty and pro-war Romney. My parents were big supporters of Barry Goldwater. Mitt Romeny's dad (a leader of the Rockefeller wing of the Republican party) refused to support the Republican nominee. I will do the same! Deo Vindice.

They did the same thing in 2008 with Bob Barr.

And it was just as intrusive and irritating then, as it is now.
It's this year's effort to try to appear relevant by stealing some support from other candidates like RP.
And frankly, Johnson is no better than Barr was, and might even be worse in some ways.

After a while, you just come to grips with the fact that Libertarians are boorish and irritating people that you want nothing to do with.
Not that it's any big news to anybody, to find that out.

hahahaha again I agree with

hahahaha again I agree with bigT 100%.

What a joke.

Let's find out how confident you really are in RP.

I'd wager everything I own to say that neither Gary Johnson nor Ron Paul will be president. Anyone interested in a bet of this sort, let me know, and I'll gladly part you from your fiat (or gold, silver, or BTC).

'The Anarchists are simply unterrified Jeffersonian Democrats. They believe that “the best government is that which governs least,” and that which governs least is no government at all.'
-Benjamin Tucker

This is a stupid question

nearly all the "Johnson people" here are Paul supporters first.
They don't need converting.
They are just concerned that the GOP will block Paul from the ballot in November.

Having two libertarians running for president is rare.
Ron is the better choice.

Trying to 'convert' libertarians to libertarian is a waste of time.

that is not why rp supporters don't like gj talk.

the problem rp supporters have is that they do not want third parties or anyone rivaling the two party system and its rules that establishment set up.

it is not gj particularly they have a problem with or his ideas. it is that it falls outside mainstream and is diffferent than what establishment approved, hence rp supporters also don't approve of it.

actually, they really don't want obamney challenged in a meaningful way. and it makes ron look bad bec of course a sane person knows he should not be running on gop platform. and to have someonelse runnng on a lib platform with lib ideas is too much goodness and truth for many rp supporters.

if rp would go indep or 3rd party, then he could shed his hideous corrutp dnc/gop staff - and many rp supporters are attached to these establishment thugs.


if ron paul doesnt get the

if ron paul doesnt get the nomination then we all need to support gary, that was the point in 2008 when ron held his press conference with nader and baldwin and Mckinney. If ron paul is not the nominee we need a third party candidate to get a decent showing so in 2016 the politicians will know its getting more serious, if you spread the vote to all the independent third party candidates instead of one it wont seem like any kind of dent so there will be no incentive for politicians to be more liberty loving in 2016. Use your brains here ron has about a 2 percent chance of getting the nomination, if he doesnt get it, SUPPORT Gary

This doesn't make any sense.

Gary Johnson is not running against Ron Paul. Ron Paul has already said he doesn't have enough delegates to be nominated and it would take an absolute miracle to get the 600+ needed non-pro-Paul delegates needed to switch their votes to Ron Paul at the convention. Most of those promoting Johnson are Ron Paul supporters who have just given up on the beyond-remote possibility of Ron Paul being nominated by the Republican Party. In my opinion, if and when Romney is crowned GOP king in August, we shouldn't worry about the presidential election any more and focus on getting classical liberal/libertarian and Constitutional Conservative candidates elected to Congress this fall. If Ron Paul isn't on the ballot, vote for whomever you want to for president. The presidential race shouldn't concern us anymore since neither Obama nor Romney (the only two who will have a chance of winning) are good enough for us.

This does make sense...

"Ron Paul has already said he doesn't have enough delegates to be nominated and it would take an absolute miracle to get the 600+ needed non-pro-Paul delegates needed to switch their votes to Ron Paul at the convention."

Show a link that shows Dr. Paul saying this...You can't.
Exactly as another 5-10 users on the DP are doing, you're paraphrasing something Dr. Paul said into a lie. He did NOT say this.

"Gary Johnson is not running against Ron Paul."
Gary Johnson IS CURRENTLY running against Dr. Paul. There is NO GOP nominee until the week of August 27th. That's not a paraphrase, it's not an opinion, it's simply a fact. If you want to argue with a fact, I'm not that person, but I feel it necessary to correct people when they're wrong.

De criminalize Liberty!

I guess you didn't get Ron Paul's email back in June.


See paragraph 4. Ron Paul DID say he doesn't have enough delegates to be nominated.

You guess wrong...

Maybe you don't know how read, I don't know. Ron Paul did NOT say he doesn't have enough delegates to be nominated...Next you'll probably say that it's obvious Dr. Paul is no longer campaigning because Rand endorsed Romney, right.

De criminalize Liberty!

You apparently didn't get Ron's email and didn't bother

to read the link I provided. Here is what Ron Paul wrote in an email shortly before the Texas convention: "...we will likely have as many as 500 supporters as delegates on the Convention floor...this total is not enough to win the nomination..."

What part of "this total is not enough to win the nomination" is so hard for you to understand? Ron Paul has about 500 supporters going to Tampa as delegates. It takes 1,144 to win the nomination. That means that in order for him to win, it is necessary to convert about 644 Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich delegates at the convention. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just pointing out where Ron Paul himself has said he stands with regards to delegate numbers.

Didn't you hear me the first time...

You guessed wrong. I got the email. I read the email. I clicked your link. I read paragraph 4. It's not me that is hard of understanding...

It's kind of like when I go to the doctor and tell them I only smoke a half a pack of cigarettes a day. The doctor automatically doubles that number and marks in his/her records that I smoke a pack a day. If the dipsh*ts on t.v. are willing to admit 200-300 delegates, and Dr. Paul himself is willing to admit 500...what is so hard for YOU to understand? I'm sorry your cup is half empty.

P.s..The doctor was right. And aside from the fact that there's no such thing as a "bound" delegate, according to RNC party rules and Federal law, Romney does not currently have 1,114 delegates, certainly not "bound" anyway. It's nice people like you insist at the end of your comments "I'm not saying it's impossible"...blah blah...but everything else you say seems to imply that. NOBODY knows the real delegate count.

De criminalize Liberty!

Yea our bankers and

Yea our bankers and politicians say the economy is fine and getting better too. Come on ron doesnt have to admit he lost for everybody to know the truth.


Dr. Pauls not a banker OR a politician so I'm really missing your point here. Come on, we don't need much more than common sense to know that there's not a nominee until August..Ya know, the truth. Fail..please try again.

De criminalize Liberty!

Personally I'm only

Personally I'm only concerning myself with 1. getting liberty candidates elected to office, 2. getting RP the nomination at the RNC, 3. electing the most pro-liberty candidate come November.

If RP isn't the nominee then I won't be able to write in the good doctor 'cause my state won't allow it.

In summary, I cross each bridge when I get to it and accept everyone as friends in the mean time.

If Paul doesn't get the nomination...

...I may go Constitution Party like I did in 2008. We'll see what happens. But I sure don't agree on pushing any other agenda right now. We have to focus on the present...a Paul nomination. Until that is set to go or set back, there is no reason to shove anything else down the throats of others.

How is Mr. Virgil Goode? I looked him up

(on Wikipedia) and didn't see too much to like about him. From what I've seen, Baldwin was a far better candidate, but maybe I'm a little off.

Not so sure about him either.

Seems like he doesn't really know who he is or where he wants to be. Didn't study him enough to make a judgement call...read only what you did. If Paul goes out I'm really not sure who I like...just not Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dumb.

Two people I admire running same position

I like both RP and GJ. I think the biggest reason why there's a trash talk between GJ people and RP people are simply because GJ and RP are running the same position. If GJ is running for Senate, then all these talks about converting will disappear over night.

When people posted stuff about RJ Harris, I saw few (or maybe zero) posts such as "This is the Daily Paul, not the Daily Harris."