5 reasons why Gold will unfortunately be worthless AFTER the collapse of the dollar.

You know that's not what I'm saying.

You really have no idea?

"Hoarding cash is obstructing the flow of life itself" You sound very much like a keynesian there, - "No Savings , we need more agregate demand!".

Wealth in the hands of people is what creates a society, it is what drives all investment, it what drives all improvements within society, and within a free market, those who work the most recieve the most and therfor can do WHATEVER they like with it, Deflation is not a bad thing.

What is not fair is stealing that wealth off people and spending it how YOU see fit. The accumlutation of wealth is what drives the increase of innovation/production levels of society, leading to an overall more propsperous and happier socity. The Problem is with Central Control and the Central Banks!

Judging from the past abilities of this government I tend to doubt if this government could ever really impose martial law on this country or actually seize all the guns in it. If you look at the so-called COG, or Continuity of Government response plans they assume several things as government bureaucrats always do. One thing they assume is that they would be able to essentially place a lock-down on all major cities and most of the surrounding regions around those cities under martial law. The COG only assumes that they would be able to control the major cities and surrounding areas, but even that is questionable under the COG response plans. Thus, they realize that there is absolutely no way that they (the government) can adequately control the entire country or, for that matter seize all the guns within this country.

There are those among us that tend to give them, i.e. the government, the elite, the NWO, more credit then they seem to give themselves which, something that I find to be a strangely odd fact.

The fact of the matter is that the government realizes that it would be virtually impossible to disarm the people of this country, we are the most armed country of civilians in the world. This government cannot even subdue a third-world country like Afghanistan or even control major portions of it, neither could the Soviets. When the Soviets attempted it, they were fighting people who basically still lived in the 19th Century, yet they were unable to defeat those tribal fighters in Afghanistan, particularly after we armed them with more sophisticated weapons.

It would be mathematically impossible for this government to not only disarm this people, but to control them under martial law and they, the government bureaucrats, readily recognize this fact, why don’t we?

The logistics alone would pose an impossible task for this government, eating away at resources during a time when the government could not possibly afford to expend such resources. For if martial law is imposed that means that this government is in a position of virtual collapse, it would mean failure and would be a loud proclamation of such failure. That in itself, would not be advantageous in anyway to a government attempting to yield power or preserve itself.

There are so many guns in the hands of Americans that is would be a disaster for this government, martial law or not, to attempt an instantaneous gun grab and they know that. Not only that, but the majority of those gun owners are seasoned handlers of weapons, they are either skilled hunters or people who are not afraid to use their weapons.

Additionally, since supply lines could not be safely maintained during martial law under COG, and that too is recognized by this government, then it would again pose a major issue with the imposition of not only martial law, but any type of gun grab by this government. There would be no way for the government to wage martial law against this entire country, and the pockets of resistance that would arise in response would make Afghanistan look like a joy ride.

This government does not have a very good record of being able to handle anything under duress, an economic disaster would pose for more problems for this government then it would be able to handle and because of that it is highly doubtful that it would be able to even logistically impose or maintain a system of martial law, even in the major cities.

Think about it, with the War in Afghanistan, our material support in Iraq, our hundreds of bases and manpower around the world stretching our military thin to say the least, our domestic forces consist of primarily some active and reserve duty troops, who, by the way, have complained about not even having enough vehicles for training, much less any type of major domestic live operations. It would be extremely difficult for this government to even transport troops, especially under an economic meltdown.

Read some of the reports on the military preparedness of this government, a government where every single SOP failed on 9-11, a government that either cannot or will not even protect its own borders. Read about what happened during the most recent storms around Washington, D.C., the government was essentially shut down, they couldn’t even maintain operations around the Capitol during a storm. Read about the governments reaction during Katrina, it was a patch-work disaster of operational ineptitude.

Likewise, any consideration of martial law should be put into perspective, that perspective is that, by the governments own account, it would be impossible to impose or maintain martial law or confiscate all the guns in this country.

Well, let us consider a few things shall we? What is really funny is your response because apparently you have bought into the dominate theme that is constantly used without much forethought or consideration of economic realities this world is facing today. There is, by the way, a very distinct difference between a systemic collapse and a depression.

First, I am completely out of debt so I pay no one payments for anything. Second, tell me where you get the idea that the Morgans, Rockefellers or Rothschilds own all the land and what difference that would make in a systemic collapse? If you can prove it rather than just making assertions then by all means do so. Additionally, if you look at the banks of the world then the only thing that is keeping them afloat is the ability of governments to sustain the monopoly power of fiat money creation, that will cease as the weakest links in the economic/monetary systems suffer systemic collapse. Now, as the banks go so goes the bankers and the government power structure behind those elite.

What we are talking about is a systemic collapse, not merely an economic depression, as such it doesn’t matter who suffered or who did not suffer through the depression because what will take place during a systemic collapse will be considerably different than what occurred during the depression of the 1930s or any other depression or economic dislocation for that matter.

Take a good look at really what has happened and what is happening around the world. First, a plan that was a hundred years in the making is rapidly falling apart, that would be the EU. While I am sure that there are many who view it as just part of a grander scheme by the elite, the fact is that there was so much energy, time and money spent on implementing this NWO in Europe that it is simply impossible to think that if they did have that much control they would allow the last hundred years to be intentionally scrubbed, besides the economic signals being given off by the EU, as well as other official powers around the world appear to be increasingly in a real panic about the course of events occurring now.

The EU, along with the EURO, are in the midst of a systemic collapse that cannot be stopped, no more so than the global systemic collapse can be stopped and guess what, the elite, those who think they are masters of all economic and social law, can’t do one damn thing to stop it or even divert it at this point.

Additionally, if you look, really look instead of reading and believing some of the tripe on the internet about the elite, then you would see, putting the dots together, on just how shaken the elite really are about the events that are occurring. The dislocation is spreading rapidly, the laws of economics are reeking havoc on the best laid plans of the elite and the proponents of the NWO. Along with the hundred years of planning the EU, the elite has also spend nearly a hundred years implementing a fiat/credit economy in this country and around the world, one that is now on the verge of a complete collapse. This fiat system was the center-piece of all their control and provided them with the ability to maintain that control, manipulating the masses of the world into a social order that can only be considered Orwellian in direction and character. They spent all these decades creating what amounts to a productive serfdom and their power depends totally on the ability to maintain not only control, but maintain the productive nature of this artificial serfdom crafted through the fiat monetary system. If therefore, this productive serfdom is destroyed through a systemic collapse of the global economic structure then their power collapses with it, all their plans go down the drain. The only thing that has allowed them to continue maintaining their control was their ability to placate the masses with a type of economic wonderland in the industrialized world, once that collapses their ability to maintain control no longer exists.

Few people understand that we have had a global currency since the 1970s, its called a total fiat monetary regime, one that has substituted real asset money with a system dependent on the organization of debt into currencies, but the fact is that they are all the same. The reason there is a Foreign Exchange Market is simply to allow for a mechanism that sought to replace the natural monetary mechanisms of gold and silver, but of course, such artificially crafted mechanisms cannot possibly replace the natural market forces within real asset money. The idea that the elite can replace the current fiat currency system with yet another homogenous global currency ignores the most basic monetary mechanics, one of the mechanisms is the fact that all fiat currencies must first be introduced on the back of an actual real asset monetary system, otherwise the new system fails rapidly...take note of the EURO for instance. Throughout history there have been approximately 700 or so fiat monetary systems introduced in various countries, few survived over a few years and those which did survive were those that were introduced on the back of gold and silver, the ones that rapidly failed were replacement fiat systems. The reason it is so difficult to replace one fiat currency system with a new one is that there is no ability to impart value and confidence in the replacement currency. There is no foundation of value by which the new replacement fiat currency can be based, thus the failure rate of replacement fiat currencies are 100%.

Now, let's consider an elite-owned organization that has suffered a complete collapse, let’s consider Lehman Brothers, it was the 4th largest investment bank in the US…imagine that. Lehman Brothers were a part of the foundational elite in this country, not just new-comers to the elite club, but, in many ways Lehman Brothers were founders of the elite in this country. But beyond that imagine the fact that it went belly up extremely rapidly, but it was an elite-owned bank, the holders of its stock were some of the most influential members of the elite families of the world, but they LOST.

You see, we have been in a depression since 2008 and the fact is that there is nothing in the elite’s bag of tricks that can stop this depression from becoming a systemic collapse on a global scale. The controlled reality that the elite (bankers-corporatists-politicians) have desperately tried to conceal is the fact that they have lost control of the economic situation and are trying to keep that fact from the public. The ability to maintain that controlled reality is rapidly coming to an end. Eventually, those “too big to fail” corporations and institutions will fail because they will be far too big to continue to bail out and because the amount necessary for such bail-outs will be prohibitive in economic and political terms. If just one of the “too big to fail” institutions fail then the game is up, within a matter of days you would see a global cascade of failures. With that event you will see a systemic failure in the global supply chain, that will instantly cause major disruptions that are currently unimaginable to us or anyone else, including the elite. Without the global supply chain I don’t care how much land the elite own, it will do them no good if they don’t have seed to plant, know how to hunt and butcher the game they kill or have knowledge of survival skills since they won’t be able to pay anyone to do it for them. They won’t have running water, electricity or anything else, unless they are prepared for such a devastating event as a systemic collapse, which some might be just as some ordinary people are prepared, but for the most part I dare say they are not prepared for such events because they chose to live soft, comfortable lives.

The idea that there is an all-powerful and coherent NWO elite that has total control over everything happening in this world not only defies logic, but a certain economic reality that simply can’t be ignored by any rational person, that economic reality is that despite all their efforts of control the economic laws will always stand in their way and create havoc in their plans. If you look at the various camps within the elite or NWO, then it becomes apparent that it is not only not coherent, but it is a mish-mash of ideologies ranging from far left to far right and every type of hybrid ideology in between. You have East/West ideologies that are playing tug-a-war within the elite ranks of the NWO, you also have a growing power structure beginning to press its power in the so-called BRICs, all of them pressing some very different desires that appear to be competing with the old Anglo/American elite structure and the European elite structure…the NWO is a house divided.

While I most certainly believe that the elite have worked toward a one-world government, I have never believed that it was possible for them to complete such goals because I am aware of the history of economics and the laws that will always combat such manipulations over the long term. The EU and EURO was their grand experiment, but it is crumbling rapidly in their hands and they are scrambling to find solutions to the problems the EU is facing but they have none. The curtain is being pulled back and the reality of the elite is rapidly being exposed, not by some researcher or writer, but by the events that are taking place in the world today. Confidence in the official leadership of the global elite is rapidly being replaced with shear contempt, the one thing the elite cannot afford is the loss of confidence in their ability to not only lead but find solutions to some very pressing problems that are affecting people’s lives in a very harsh manner.

The fact of the matter is that the concept of the NWO is completely contrary to the actual realities of the world today. While I understand that there are those who have played up the NWO as a very powerful group of elite that are hell-bent on transforming the countries of the world under a single socio-economic-political unit, the reality is a far cry from that commonly accepted and widely promoted MEME. In fact, if you look at what is actually going on, this collapse will be so much bigger than anyone can imagine, bigger than any group of elite money powers, bigger than any government power and beyond the control of any of them.

Besides, what would the elite have to rely upon if this collapse occurs as I think it will? What would they have to build upon after such an event, what would make them different from anyone else after such a systemic global collapse? I can think of nothing, for without their power structure they are nothing and their power structure is based upon a system that has taken a hundred years to implement, that being the fiat monetary system. Without that system they have no power and no ability to manipulate society or governments, without those structures they have nothing they are nothing. When the systemic collapse occurs they will be trying to hide anywhere they can and they are well aware of the fact that they will be hunted down.

Now, if you can prove to me that the elite will be able to survive comfortably under conditions that will most certainly be comparable to at least the mid 1700s to early 1800s in living standards then by all means give me your best shot, but under a systemic collapse that is what we are talking about...a reversal of the standards of living on a global scale that will push us back at least a couple hundred years if not further.

In conjunction with this post I have reposted this from another thread, but it is definitely relevant to the subject at hand:

There is a corollary issue with the debt burdens of not only the U.S., but also all of the industrialized countries, including China and it is the interconnectivity of the entire global economy. There are so many relationships that all it will take is the collapse of one of the major systems and the whole global system will suffer collapse. The monetary system, which, by the way, is in the stages of collapse, is the primary support of the global economy and it links every single exchange and relay of goods and services together. Unfortunately, there is absolutely no asset value behind the entire monetary system of the global economy. The entire system works because there is a faith in the system, but with such a complex system the level of confidence can be easily shaken.

For years I have talked about the growing impotency of the fiat monetary system in economic terms, meaning that as more and more fiat money is placed into operation, the inflationary depreciation of the currency begins to degrade the actual effectiveness of each economic exchange. Additionally, because there is an essential balance between the economic efficiency of each monetary unit and the ability to maintain actual economic productivity through such exchanges there will come a time when the utility income that is relative to the fixed costs of production fails. Since the entire system has become so distorted through the manipulation of the monetary system and the economic system it supports, there are few reliable mechanisms within the economy that allows businesses and people to determine what decisions are best suited for any given time. The entire system can be subjected to collapse if just one major component fails.

Panic of 2008 was merely the beginning of the overall global systemic collapse, but the problems that brought about the Panic of 2008 were in the works since at least the 1970s with the foundation of those problems stemming from earlier government monetary decisions such those found in the 1930s and, of course, the creation in 1913 of the Federal Reserve system. Of course, the weakest link is always the problem, but in a system of such massive integration as with the global economy there are multiple weak links that can easily domino.

The entire complex system of not only physical infrastructure, but also economic infrastructure is so integrated that it would not take much for the entire system to be subjected to complete collapse within a matter of days or a couple of weeks at most. There will be a cascading effect of failure in the system as one by one, the infrastructures collapse.

We might not realize it but we have already entered into the stages of collapse, what has been happening however is that the governments of the world, through the use of fiat currency, have been patching up the system in order to maintain it in hopes of finding a solution, but there is no solution in their current point of reference. The entire contraction of the economic system and the ability of governments and their central banks to maintain the most critical structures through massive subsidies are becoming more and more difficult. There will reach a point where no matter how much fiat money (physical and digital) they throw at the problem there will be a decreasing effectiveness in the potency of their monetary magic tricks.

Of course, central bankers all fear deflation, but their assumptions are based on a 1930s understanding of deflation in a world that has not operated in those terms for at least 40 years. Their responses therefore, will be based on that 1930s understanding and thus, the outcome will not be as they expect. Unlike the 1930s, today bank-issued credit is the source of just about every type of money circulating. The system has evolved into one where it requires more credit expansion just to service previous credit burdens. The problem is that in order for this system to continue to function at any meaningful level of effectiveness the GDP must also increase at a level of credit expansion, but the problem, as mentioned before, is that with a fiat monetary system the economic potency is increasingly depleted through such monetary credit expansions. It is a snake eating its own tail and soon the snake will have nothing else to consume but its head.

The central bankers of the world and the governments that sponsor them are desperately attempting to maintain the system without realizing that it cannot be maintained through the very means that brought about the dislocation in the first place.

, The Federal Reserve released a paper the other day stating that because of their efforts over the last decade the stock market increased by 50%, but what they fail to say is that it is a completely manipulated system that defies the entire economic structure of reality and that it cannot be maintained. Thus, if 50% of the stock market is based on the artificial manipulation by the actions of monetary policy by the FED then the actual GDP was not actually real, but a mirage that was produced to effect a socio-political outcome. I dare say that we have not seen actual economic and productive growth in this country for well over a decade and the manipulation has been carried out to conceal the actual decline in the overall economic reality in order to maintain a degree of social and political order.

Of course, the trust has been broken long ago between this government and the People, what remains are a few slithers of trust but that is rapidly being tested, not only in this country but also globally. We are all getting poorer by the minute.

It is important to understand that the entire global economy is based on a type of proxy-wealth involving fiat currency that is a very weak link in the whole global economy. Unlike gold and silver, fiat wealth is nothing more than a proxy for real assets holding no value in and of itself. Take, for instance, many people hold financial assets as an investment, particularly in their retirement funds however, if you consider the actual make-up of such investments they are all based on the fiat proxy-wealth system, which, is largely dependent on trust. Such proxy-wealth investments are nothing more than a re-allocation of values within the market and in order for a person holding such investments to actually profit from them is if those proxy-wealth investments can be readily transformed into real asset-wealth at some point in the future. It is that conversion that is the ultimate source of value for such investments, if there is a failure in any portion of the system then the entire structure collapses and loss ensues on a massive scale. Now, if we consider the fact that the FED has already stated that the last decade of such proxy-wealth investments were subjected to its manipulation to increase their nominal value by 50%, then the real value of conversion without such manipulation would be a 50% loss of conversion value. That should inject a huge question of trust into such security instruments.

The system can and will suffer from a systemic collapse; one weak link can facilitate such a collapse. What will occur, it appears, is that as there will be a debt-deflationary collapse causing a cascading effect within the economy there will also be a corollary hyper-inflationary event created as the governments and central bankers of the world pump massive amounts of fiat currency into the system in an attempt to stave off the debt deflation. Thus, we will experience a growing decline in economic activity, which, at the same time, experience the most drastic inflationary price increases in a rapidly decreasing selection of goods and services. In other words, it will be nothing like the 1930s.

Debt serviceability becomes increasingly difficult and no longer functions as an adequate means of economic exchange, thus the entire contraction of the global economy becomes incompatible with the entire financial system that is based on the credit, which back it. What we have had for decades is nothing less than a hype-credit expansion but eventually the global GDP cannot grow fast enough to service the debt that is created to maintain the system. Again, the snake is eating itself from the tail up to the head, eventually the snake has eaten all of itself and there is nothing left to consume.

Eventually, there will be a complete loss of faith in both the government and its façade of finance; as such, people will begin to exit the system or at least they will attempt to exit it but will be restrained both by government edict and by the fact that there will be a decreasing ability to convert proxy-wealth into real assets as the proxy-wealth is perceived as increasingly worthless. While there will be a period that people will stubbornly cling to their fiat cash, a stage will be reached where fears begin to press them to rid themselves of fiat cash as soon as possible, trying to convert it into any type of hard assets available.

People will awaken to a reality that the entire system has been little more than an extremely complex government/bank sponsored Ponzi Scheme, that all the global financial markets and the ability to convert that proxy-wealth into actual assets is based on an illusion that has been carefully crafted and maintained for decades.

Now, most of what was just written is based on what could be considered a relatively slow collapse, but it is important to understand that such a scenario could rapidly be transformed into an extremely fast collapse with just a few minor changes. It would not take much for a financial collapse to rapidly turn into a complete social collapse within a matter of days of an event. Not only is there an integration of financial infrastructure, but also the physical infrastructure within the economy. There could easily be a massive disruption in the entire supply chain of the global economy due to the fact that it is based on Letters of Credit which, are becoming difficult to obtain as the economic situation worsens around the globe. We would see food and fuel shortages within a day, not only that, but almost instantly there would be hundreds of thousands of people put out of work by such a disruption.

Within a few days the food, fuel and water shortages would escalate, banks would be forced to shut down because of bank runs and no cash. Within a week all travel would come to a compete stop; all functions within the government would essentially cease within a few weeks. In a month we would essentially be placed back into the 1800s.

So, given the real possibility of such a scenario, the best thing to do is prepare.

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