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Massachusetts Ron Paul Delegates Need Your Help!

Dear Ron Paul Army,

Despite what you may have heard, the Massachusetts delegates have not acquiesced or capitulated, we have just been crouched ready to strike! That time is now and we need your help!

Here is what you can do:
1- we have a change.org petition to restore the MA delegates and count the provisional ballots. Please sign it and share it with everyone you know!
http://www.change.org/petitions/the-u-s-senate-restore-the-d...
2- please like and share the article, and ask friends to repost:
http://bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid...
3- like the article about it:
http://www.redmassgroup.com/diary/14989/michael-graham-weigh...
4 - retweet:
https://twitter.com/jeffkatzshow/status/217917232657870848
https://twitter.com/MGraham969/status/217963416558649344
and please ask Ron Paul groups to do the same!




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please use Facebook to ask frineds to sign

just go to the petition (you may have to log in with your facebook) and share with your facebook contacts. it would only let me do like 15 at a time, but every time I went back to it, I could do more!

I'll say it; some of us are of the understanding that Jesse

Benton is actually WORKING FOR ROMNEY. He has told the Massachusetts Delegates not to join the suit. This is documented all over the Daily Paul.

Please check out the actual USC code law reference either below or
in the video at youtube by Lawyers for Ron Paul. They give ALL THE REFERENCES.

listen to the interviews at www.RonPaulOne.com
This lawyer is a trip. He is a Democrat and he's on fire. A bit "out there" but he's going after this.

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

For God's sakes join the bloody lawsuit!

That is the only thing that I see with a real chance. Why you haven't yet is really beyond my comprehension. Be grateful that this attorney is giving his time with no reimbursement to help. Give him a chance. Why not? Just DO IT!!!!!!

betty

I was

on the teleconference. The lawyer is more than willing to help you with advise on what to do...

a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat

Ron Paul Delegates Please consider joining the RP Lawsuit!

I just got off of a conference call with the RP lawyers and we talked about the Massachusetts delegates and their unwillingness to join the RP Lawsuit. I implore you to reconsider and add your names to the lawsuit.
We have a good shot at getting the delegates legally unbound, the liberty movement needs your help! Please
give this serious consideration.
I want to personally thank you for your time and effort with the delegate process, I know how difficult it has been.

we just hit 900!

can we get 1000 tonight? let's do it!

This is the second thread in the DP this week that has been

voted way way down. Just tells me we must be on the right track with the lawsuit or the trolls wouldn't care so much.

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

Please help bump this back up

We need to keep it on the top of the page! we are having a meeting with the massGOP on monday, and every time someone signs, it sends an email to them, and Scott Brown. I want to have their in-box flooded, so they know we are not messing around, and will put pressure on Scott Brown!

Your right Karen. I wonder

Your right Karen. I wonder what it costs Romney to have so many trolls spending their days spreading misinformation and innuendo.

Although often there are many people who just don't know all the facts kicking ideas around and gaining understanding in the process, you can often spot the trolls by the vitriol and personal attacks and their refusal to actually address facts when presented. But you can't spot troll votes.

Use the LAW to defeat the lawless

Federal Law defines the state convention electing delegates to select the national candidate as a federal election. Delegates elected are federally elected officials. Federal law makes it a crime to interfere with that officials right and duty to fulfil that office.

The US constitution does NOT define change.org or twitter as the institution to address these problems. The US Constitution does define the COURTS as the institution to address these problems.

If you believe in the Constitution - become a plaintiff on the lawsuit!

The Massachusetts GOP are not just picking on you poor Ron Paul delegates - They are breaking the law! Use the LAW to defeat the lawless.

Here is the Law:
42 USC § 1983 - Civil action for deprivation of rights

Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress...

42 USC § 1985 - Conspiracy to interfere with civil rights

(1) Preventing officer from performing duties
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof; or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave any State, district, or place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties;

(2) Obstructing justice; intimidating party, witness, or juror
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire to deter, by force, intimidation, or threat, any party or witness in any court of the United States from attending such court, or from testifying to any matter pending therein, freely, fully, and truthfully, or to injure such party or witness in his person or property on account of his having so attended or testified, or to influence the verdict, presentment, or indictment of any grand or petit juror in any such court, or to injure such juror in his person or property on account of any verdict, presentment, or indictment lawfully assented to by him, or of his being or having been such juror; or if two or more persons conspire for the purpose of impeding, hindering, obstructing, or defeating, in any manner, the due course of justice in any State or Territory, with intent to deny to any citizen the equal protection of the laws, or to injure him or his property for lawfully enforcing, or attempting to enforce, the right of any person, or class of persons, to the equal protection of the laws;

(3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory from giving or securing to all persons within such State or Territory the equal protection of the laws; or if two or more persons conspire to prevent by force, intimidation, or threat, any citizen who is lawfully entitled to vote, from giving his support or advocacy in a legal manner, toward or in favor of the election of any lawfully qualified person as an elector for President or Vice President, or as a Member of Congress of the United States; or to injure any citizen in person or property on account of such support or advocacy; in any case of conspiracy set forth in this section, if one or more persons engaged therein do, or cause to be done, any act in furtherance of the object of such conspiracy, whereby another is injured in his person or property, or deprived of having and exercising any right or privilege of a citizen of the United States, the party so injured or deprived may have an action for the recovery of damages occasioned by such injury or deprivation, against any one or more of the conspirators.

Park the VW, take the flowers out of your hair, and forget the protests. Occupy the RNC will not get the delegates reinstated.

Join the lawsuit or file one of your own. If you want to file your own - get it done. Time is running out! Richard Gilbert is doing this lawsuit pro bono - for free - because he believes in the Constitution. Do you believe in the Constitution?

Paul-I have been reading the code too. I refer to USC Title 42b

1971 regarding civil rights votiing in a primary. Link to USC Title 42 Section 1971 here:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1971

Section 1983 reads a bit differently.

11 CFR 100.2 Election 2USC 431 DOES say en election to select delegates to the national convention IS an ELECTION.

Link to 11 CFR 100.2 USC 431:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/100.2

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

Steve Dickson's picture

Wrong approach, wrong answer.

Federal law does not recognize delegates to the national convention as federally elected officials. Members of Congress (House and Senate), the President and VP are the only federally elected officials EXCEPT Presidential Electors. Title 42 applies to the Primary Election and the General Election in Massachusetts. It is extremely likely that the courts will rule the conventions are a private matter and not covered in this state, or any other primary state.

Caucus states are a different matter and there is a possiblity Title 42 will apply there. NO COURT HAS APPLIED THIS LAW IN THIS WAY BEFORE. Got that? There is ZERO precedent for this to be used. You are wasting a lot of people's time and energy chasing unicorns when they could use STATE law AND file a challenge with the Committee on Contests, where they have their one and probably only chance to fix this.

Gilbert is famous for getting busted with 2.5 pounds of pot, representing a surrogate mom breaking her deal and going on Donahue for it, and this insane effort at publicity. He is an embarrassment, just go read the letter he sent to the Arkansas RP person. Looks like my 11 year old wrote it.

File the damn complaint, even if you think you will lose. Use state law if they were broken. If you are in a caucus state, you MIGHT have Title 42 grounds, but Massachusetts is a primary state. Quit lying to people telling them this is a good idea - it is NOT.

Federal law 47 CFR 64.803 DOES recognize state conventions.

If you look up 47 CFR 64.803 - Definitions:
(which can be found at http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/64.803 )
you will see that Federal law defines a state party convention that selects delegates to the national party convention as a federal election. (see # 3 below) It also recognizes the state caucus or primary as part of the federal election process. I quote:

(b) Election means
(1) a general, special, primary, or runoff election,
(2) a convention or caucus of a political party held to nominate a candidate,
(3) a primary election held for the selection of delegates to a national nominating convention of a political party, and
(4) a primary election held for the expression of a preference for the nomination of persons for election to the office of President.

You are mistaken in your belief that "conventions are a private matter". You have been deceived into believing this lie by the Romney campaign and the MSM. A lie which has been reinforced by a lack of knowledge by many people commenting on this site, and an intent to reinforce the deception by some.

You are wrong about there being "zero precedent" - no case law concerning this. The most famous and applicable is the 1995 Supreme Court decision:
Morse v. Republican Party of Virginia 517 US 186 (1995)
which held that Federal elections and civil rights laws do apply to state party conventions and delegates. You can look it up at http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/517/186/

I do agree with you on the fact that there are many state laws that were also broken in many states. I am in Arizona and our investigation has brought to light that the ballot tampering that took place at the AZ convention violated both state and federal laws regarding electronic ballots, vote tallying, etc. Those state law violations need to be pursued with civil and criminal prosecutions at the state level also.

This federal Lawsuit is just asking the court to clarify the law to the delegates and the RNC. Do state and national party rules, and state laws which bind delegates trump federal elections and civil rights laws that go back to the 1860s? Since the Supreme court just ruled on this question 17 years ago it is pretty likely to succeed.

It is unlikely that the court will have the time or inclination to adress every state violation that took place. It is very likely that he would adress the disqualifying of the Massachusetts delegates because of the egregious nature of that violation of law - IF THE MASSACHUSETTS DELEGATES ARE PLAINTIFFS!.

Before you cast more ill informed opinions I highly recommend you read 42 USC § 1971 -1974, Federal Law on voting rights, which can be found at http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1971

As to your character assassination slurs against Richard Gilbert I don't see how they apply to the merits of the case. I don't know and don't care about pot or surrogate moms. I don't care if he is a blue-assed baboon. He is offering his services for free to protect our constitutional rights through the system the constitution set up. What alternative are you offering us?

Now, I have cited facts and laws, and referenced where you can research them yourself. Let us debate our understanding and interpretation of the facts. But have some facts to offer before you start calling people liars.

So does 11 CFR 100.2 Election 2 USC 431

. recognizes primaries as ELECTIONS.

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

There is case law for it. In Virginia. GOP was asking for

delegates .at the state level to vote at the state level for a senator. MORSE VERSUS REPUBLICAN PARTY 517 US 186 (1995 . though it was in Virginia at the state level, it fell under federal law, in this case as it was with regard to electing a senator. I believe Morse v....It doesn't mention the delegates in USC Title 42a section 1971 but it refers to primaries in USC Title 42b section 1971

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

Almost forgot - not fighting makes YOU liable under US law

Federal Law makes you liable for NOT fighting for the delegates! ALL the delegates from EVERY state are injured by your lack of legal action. It is not just your moral and patriotic duty - it is your legal obligation.

42 USC § 1986 - Action for neglect to prevent
Every person who, having knowledge that any of the wrongs conspired to be done, and mentioned in section 1985 of this title, are about to be committed, and having power to prevent or aid in preventing the commission of the same, neglects or refuses so to do, if such wrongful act be committed, shall be liable to the party injured, or his legal representatives, for all damages caused by such wrongful act, which such person by reasonable diligence could have prevented; and such damages may be recovered in an action on the case; and any number of persons guilty of such wrongful neglect or refusal may be joined as defendants in the action...

Right on.

There are mega-trolls on this subject so watch out.

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

Steve Dickson's picture

I call bullshit. You are

I call bullshit. You are wrong, and either ignorant of the law or lying about it. Sue me if I'm wrong.

Are you saying 42 USC § 1986 is not law?

Or are you just reacting emotionally? I just quoted the law. If you would like to relieve your own ignorance please look up http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1986

I would suggest that you educate yourself a bit before you start calling people liars Mr. Dickson. Let us debate and discuss the issues based on the facts and the merits of the argument instead of just casting aspersions.

Why would it surprise people who believe in civic duty and personal responsibility to find that US law actually codifies civic duty as personal responsibility?

wasn't this the theme of the Seinfeld Finale?

So not only are you guys taking over the Ron Paul campaign but you're going to sue all of the Ron Paul supporters who disagree with your methods? Are you going to go after Ron Paul himself next for saying that he doesn't encourage your lawsuit? This is comical.

Help Needs the Massachusetts Ron Paul Delegates!

Join the lawsuit as plaintiffs at electionfraudremedy.com. Don't foolishly think that Internet petitions are going to make a dent in the Telfon® RNC/Romney machine. These people are willing to stop at nothing. Unite with the lawsuit.

I'm next to the boarder

Where do I need to go?

a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat

OK navom1 signed your

OK navom1 signed your petition, but can you stop tickling me with your feathers. JOIN THE LAWSUIT!! Your right the time is now and we need your help.

Help Needs YOU!

All Massachusetts Ron Paul delegates need to join the Lawsuit as plaintiffs at electionfraudremedy.com. Internet petitions do not matter one tinker's damn to the RNC/Romney machine.

Boston Herald

Nice article but the guy that wrote it just couldn't keep from calling the kid's views "isolationist foreign policy"

skippy

Fail.

Sorry. This is not a plan to fight them. Tweets and "likes" will not change anything.
Please tell me this is not it.
If this is your "ready to strike" then you can say goodbye to your delegate spot.

I know that some people dont want to hear the truth but...

this is just one part of the strategy

this is just one part of the larger strategy. this is about to go national, we just need everyone to show interest in this and spread this petition!

Agreed

At one of the NJ Committee meetings the duly elected members were railroaded by the Establishment dirty tricks. Everyone who lives in the city where it happened wrote letters to the County GOP and we are looking into further legal action. I can see if you are trying to raise awareness, but you need to provide a way to for people to directly affect the situation. Just cause people know about it doesn't change anything.

Brothers and Sisters,

I have seen a great discord among our ranks and I wish to quell the breach between us before it begins. Despite the swirling comments, the whispers of defeat, the rumors of capitulation, and the voices of decent, there lies before each of us, only one simple choice: shall we let the delicate light of liberty, that we have so carefully crafted and cheerfully cultivated slip away into evanescent nothingness, or shall it be reborn and burn brighter and stronger than ever before.

Will we deliver a better and brighter future to the next generation as every generation before us has, or will our complacency allow the destruction of a chain that has stretched back to our forefathers? Will we borrow this country from our children, or will we steal the future from generations to come?

I ask a simple task, to carry on this fight in the face of what may seem like insurmountable odds: certain failure. But isn’t certain failure what we have been up against from the beginning? So I ask you, what has changed? What new event has made you cower? What unforeseeable circumstance has zapped your strength? What new insurmountable foe has arisen?

The question is , will we fully realize Dr. Paul’s vision that an idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government, cannot be banished by any king, cannot be unwritten by any scribe, cannot be unlearned by any teacher, cannot be unsung by any minstrel, and cannot be diverted as much as the coming tide.

Brothers and Sisters, I leave the choice to you.

An Aye for an Aye. . .

You don't counter broken bones, dislocated hips and illegal affidavits, etc. with tweets and online petitions. All Massachusetts delegates need to fulfill their constitutional duty to the people who duly elected them, and join the lawsuit as plaintiffs at electionfraudremedy.com