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I have a question about the anti-christ as it is written in the Bible. I have heard that the Bible states that the anti-christ will reveal himself prior to the coming of the messiah. I have also heard that the anti-christ will declare himself God to the world, but I can't find that in the Bible either. Can anyone point me to exact passages which confirm either of these claims. Also, feel free to add any extra anti-christ bible quotes that you feel may be relevant to my inquiry.

EDIT: I stopped viewing this tread because the responses were sporadic. I didn't realize there were so many! Thank you. The passages I was looking for specifically are found in 2 Thessalonians 2. Thanks for all who contributed. Perhaps we should start a thread that attempts to interpret these passages 0.0 ?

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Here is an eleven part teaching on the antichrist.


This is Part I and you just carry on from there as there is a link at the bottom of each page taking you to the next part. This is not a teaching you will read anywhere else but it is nevertheless the truth. The antichrist is a lot nearer home that you may imagine.

Here is an excerpt from Part I:

"In I Jn. 2:18 we read, "Little children, it is the last hour: and as you have beard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; wherefore we know that it is the last hour." God's penman, 1900 years ago wrote, that as the coming of the antichrist heralds the last hour, therefore, since there were at that time "many antichrists", this fact proved that he himself was living then in the "last hour".

And if he, John the beloved, saw many antichrists in his day, after only a few decades of progression into the dispensation of the Spirit, how much more may we today say that there are "many antichrists" after 1900 years of apostasy and shame, during which time God also said that "evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived" (II Tim. 3:13). How much more should we today expect to find the Church full of these antichrists, since God also promised that in this same age "there will be a time when they will not endure wholesome instruction, but, having itching ears, will accumulate teachers for themselves, according to their own lusts; and they shall indeed turn away from the hearing of the truth, and be turned aside to fables" (II Tim. 4:3-4).

John saw many antichrists in his day. The number has been increasing steadily, all through the years, until we now find ourselves surrounded with these men. But who are they, what are they, and how do we recognize them?"

If you are serious in your quest for truth then you will read these words and be blessed by them.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

"For where two or three are

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

Was reading the thread, and thinking it compares to 'where there is a dead body, there the vultures (eagles) gather.

Maybe not in a good way!

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In My Name.

this has been emphasized in the NT verse above, = as before in the OT.
We see the Name is the Value, to which there has to be mutual /common attraction - (for lack of a better example see the magnet, sprinkled pieces of iron will be attracted / come together when the magnet comes near).

Name is Vital Sign, Voice sound, Written Word, by which to remember, mention, address or call. A given /proper name does not change with time,language, religion or location. Take for example the name of "Adam", its universal, there is no controversy, contradiction or change. There is no translation, only transliteration.

Let us recall the (special) name of the Maseah, son of Maryum.
Reminder, it was sent down to his noble mother by The Most High.

Here's an interesting and enlightening study....


2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

This tract below that was

This tract below was distributed by Roger Sherman, one of the founding fathers, and the one known for sound money. I've been studying it a lot for the last several weeks.

It goes into sin and hell, but it is full of grace, and does tell you the one thing needful.



I'm about to update the formatting a little again - as the hymn at the end could be broken up into stanzas for easier reading.

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Sin, Hell, and the End Time

Sin, Hell, and the End Time

Collected passages from Holy Bible from below, no particular order.

Hebrews 10:26-30, Isaiah 13:1-22, Matthew 24:29-31, Matthew 24:24, Matthew 7:13-14, Luke 13:22-30, Romans 1:18-32, 2 Timothy 3:1-8, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12

Online Holy Bible:


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Full text for having

Full text for scripture on "having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away". Useful to this thread!

2 Timothy 3

3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

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Focus on Anti- _ Maseah*

* The Anointed /appointed Leader, King of Israel, about whom it was prophesied, the awaited one, - to guide & remind, and lead to victory, etc., many fair words can be said about him.

"Maseah" is the original title, authentic, true and well deserved. The name & title was given as the good news to his noble & virtuous mother before his birth, - the Holy Spirit brought the message from The Most High, The Almighty. The faithful are humble & modest, will amend & bear witness to truth, - when they recognize it.

He was from & sent to the nation of Israel, - some recognized & accepted the son of Maryum as Maseah, - there were others who rejected the Maseah, uttered foul language against him, called him "Impostor", etc., and made plans to kill him. They are still waiting, & are happy if the honored title [Maseah*] is not used for the son of Maryum.

The controversy or contention at that time was = "Is the son of Maryum the Maseah?" - If , the answer for you is positive /yes, then call /use/ remind /mention as the "Maseah". Do Not displace, change, alter, 'translate', = give-up the replacement, edit or delete the untrue. If you are unsure of the answer then there is No need to fix or say "christ".
= remain witness of only the True.

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Why would you need help with this?


The Anti_Christ is ?

You will find him/her behind the green door!

Find the quiet and you may get a sighting! Find the quiet and you may find your SOUL!!!

The Anti-Christ is well hidden and only you may find him/her. Don't trust the Churches for they feed the devil! You can find him but you can help NO OTHER!

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I was taught there are many anti-Christs

Just one satan of course, but the anti-Christ figure is supposed to be anyone who is opposed to, 'anti', Christ. Therefore, Saul was an anti-Christ figure, as were numerous figures in history.

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Yup. Just one satan, but there are so many doing his will that..

it feels like there are more than just one, IMO. It's like an army coming out of the woodwork lately. As for Saul, give the guy a break. Before his conversion on the road to Damascus, he was an Antichrist no doubt. After he had his wake-up call, he did change for the better.

Saul, Paul of Tarsus wrote 13 of the 27 chapters,

of the "new" Testament. please correct me if I am wrong. and he did so while Locked up? in Prison? I found that to be very interesting when I learned of it...
and the reason he was locked up would get you locked up today!
and rightfully so I might say....
forgive me, but I don't think pencils and paper were available.... and how did he pay for postage?
you will NOT offend me sir, but these are some of the questions I have... I hope that you do not find my query offensive or an attack....

As far as 'prison' is

As far as 'prison' is concerned, he was under house arrest pending trial after events recorded at the end of the book of acts. You'll also see that he had visitors. Since he hadn't been found guilty, he had some liberty, but by appealing to Caesar's justice he was not at liberty to go where he please until the matter was sorted out.

They did not have a postal service then, but they did had a form of paper called papyrus, and letters were delivered by travellers, in this case by fellow Christians, some of whom are named in the letters.

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The answer is I don't know how he did it.

Thomas Paine wrote the first half of the Age of Reason while in a french jail while awaiting possible execution by guillotine. I don't know how he that either, but I thank God that he did, IMO. I would say that their writings were preordained, if there is such a thing.

No offense taken, bro. I'm a Deist. I strongly believe that God exists, but that is all.

Sweet, A thread on Religion and not a single troll!

Personally I am a Deist. and there is nothing that warms my heart more than to enjoy reasonable Theological discussion.
and this is all I have to say about that!


Bible texts

There are 3 sections of scripture that deal with what we call the antichrist. Daniel 7 (8 & 11 too); 2 Thessalonians 2; and Revelation 13. However the antichrist is not called the antichrist in these scriptures. The little horn, man of sin, son of perdition, and the beast are what they refer to the antichrist as. For whatever reason this power, which is the same power referred to in each place, has become known as the anitchrist.
as to your specific texts, 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4. A few quick things. One it doesn't say he will reveal himself. It says the falling away or apostasy will reveal him. Kind of like how Jesus said we will know them by their fruits. Secondly, the antichrist is referred to as the son of perdition. The only other reference to that phrase is found in John 17:12. That refers to Judas. Now Judas was not openly opposed to Christ. I think that helps us understand the nature of the antichrist. Anti in this case refers to "in the place of" not "against" It is like antipasta at an Italian restaurant. The salad takes the place of pasta if you order it. It doesn't fight the spaghetti! These 2 verses also show that it is a religious power not a solely political power. It desires and gets worship that is due only to God. Again wants to take his place.
Revelation 13:1-8. Real quick this in in reference to verse 3. Like Jesus was crucified and then rose from the dead. The antichrist receives a mortal or deadly wound, is gone, but then comes back, it is healed, before the end of time. The antichrist power rules for a time, is gone, but then will come back with a vengeance at the end of time. I hope this helps.

Ah, so the bible doesn't specifically say

that the "anti" figure will reveal himself as being "so and so". That's what I was looking for. I was under the impression that there was suppose to be some "unveiling" and I just couldn't find it. Also, this seems to address another question I had, namely, that the "anti" figure would claim himself to be God, and expect worship, as you put it. But instead, the "anti" figure is suppose to seek those things (worship) that is reserved for God, but not by revealing himself as such. If I interpret you correctly.

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"If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. he has cursed his father or mother: his blood is on his own hands."
Leviticus 20:9

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Yea that is aweful

I mean it's not like today when people are so much more civilized that they kill there children for NO REASON while they are still in the womb.

I have no problem with that text. It was what it was and it will be again. Because when all you rebellious children who have cursed, mocked and denied GOD stand before the judgement then you will be destroyed also. But if we honor our Father then we will be forgiven of our short comings and welcomed into His Kingdom.

Sounds great to me.

I think it shows that if they

I think it shows that if they were really serious about sin in the old testament in their government then, then they really meant it when they said God punishes sinners, and there is a hell.

How much worse is hell than dying which we all will do at some point? A lake of fire, and torment for ever.

God also has given you a chance to repent and be saved - in a way you need to know about. So if you curse your parents, are a thief, lie, hate, mock, insult, and all the other sins your neighbors and family don't know about but God does - you are, as "The Greatest Concern in the World" tract says, the most miserable person in the world. In Acts, after the jailer witnessed the miracle God had performed for his people, that there was a great earthquake and all the cells were opened after their praying and singing, he said to them - what must I do to be saved? - Acts 16:30.

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That was the old testament

That was the old testament above and the law for their government, but perhaps I was thinking about this verse below in how to relate it now. FYI - do you make money off of marijuana? i.e. "medical marijuana ministry"?

Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

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The Lord will punish world for evil at the end - says right here

Isaiah 13:11

Wanted to post the full scripture around Isaiah 13:11, because not only does it say God will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity, which appears to contradict what a couple have said on the thread, but the rest of the passage appears to include parts quoted by Jesus Christ in what happens at the end in Matthew 24 and like parallel passages in the other gospels. I bolded a few parts for emphasis, including those that are in Matthew 24.

I'm sure all the stuff that happens at the end isn't as bad as ever lasting punishment in hell. That is the most important concern. What you must do to be saved. Amen.

Isaiah 13:1-22
13 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see. 2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles. 3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness. 4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the Lord of hosts mustereth the host of the battle. 5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the Lord, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

6 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.

15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. 18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall ave no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.

19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. 20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.

21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there. 22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.

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Compare to like verses in the

Compare to like verses in the gospels. Matthew 24.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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Probably should have bolded

Probably should have bolded this verse too

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

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RE: Need some help on Religious text

Exposition of end-of-the world prophesy is one of the areas of Bible exegesis that is most fraught with error and outright baloney. (Hint: much more of the prophesy in Daniel and Revelation is about things that have already taken place than some people selling their own interpretations are likely to admit) One difficulty is that one tends to be drawn to the most most exciting and glamorous-seeming interpretations, while ignoring one's own common sense. I think a good place to start is "The Complete Idiot's Guide to the Book of Revelation" (http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idiots-Guide-Book-Revelation/...) This is a pretty neutral, calm discussion, which lists some of the most common approaches that have arisen through history. The main thing is to read Daniel and Revelation without expecting or demanding a clear understanding of every detail immediately, but getting the main point, which is that none of what you see taking place around you is unknown or surprising to God, and therefore that, if you trust God, you don't need to be afraid.

Ask yourself where did the word "Satan" or "Devil" or "Lucifer"

come from?


O.E. Satan, from L.L. Satan (in Vulgate, in O.T. only), from Gk. Satanas, from Heb. satan "adversary, one who plots against another," from satan "to show enmity to, oppose, plot against," from root s-t-n "one who opposes, obstructs, or acts as an adversary."

Now what does the Bible say in Mathew 5:25?

Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Now lets look to the words "Hell", "Hades":

O.E. hel, helle, "nether world, abode of the dead, infernal regions," from P.Gmc. *haljo "the underworld" (cf. O.Fris. helle, Du. hel, O.N. hel, Ger. Hölle, Goth. halja "hell") "the underworld," lit. "concealed place" (cf. O.N. hellir "cave, cavern"), from PIE *kel- "to cover, conceal, save" (see cell).

Who is the dead? Are WE the dead of the world until we come out of her, and announce that we are alive? Have you ever seen the British Governments website and the Cesui Que Vie Act of 1[666]?


I tend to believe that Act IS the Mark of the Beast.

And finally "Sin":


I tend to believe that Satan is the courts/judges/lawyers acting/practicing in the Satanic "spirit of the law" instead of the actual law itself, and "Hell" is the prisons they have built for us, that they will one day occupy themselves.

Luke 11:46

And he said, Woe vnto you also ye lawyers: for ye lade men with burdens grieuous to be borne, and ye your selues touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.

Luke 11:52

Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

The Bible is rooted in Trust Law; it's almost a History of Law in and of itself. Some say (and I tend to believe) the Holy Trinity is:

Executor - Beneficiary - Trustee = God - We The People - Government

If we as living beings are the beneficiaries of the Last Living Will and Testament of God (The Holy Bible), who was the first Executor of the first Estate known as earth, then perhaps there is no actual creature or being named Satan or the Anti-Christ, but instead the spirit of all that is of evil (courts/judges/attorneys/prisons,etc.) and the good is within us as living Gods and Executors of our own Estate(s) or our own body/mind/soul, for which the most part, is of good and peace.

How peaceful would the world be, if we were not living in fear of Satan (ie: courts/judges/lawyers/prison/fines/IRS,etc)?

Anti-Christ = Everything that is diametrically opposed to good-right, and just in the world (Heaven on Earth).

Remember what the Founders carved in stone "In God We Trust"

I tend to believe the Bible is a history of the Law, and Satan is the antithesis of that Law.

Trust Law

Do you believe!

Do you believe that one omnipotent being's focus is on one speck of insignificant dust "Earth" in the universe and on one life form Man/Human? Or do you believe that the ability/conditions for life to exist is the focus?

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If you use loaded language,

If you use loaded language, then you slant the question and the answer. "One speck of insignificant dust" is worthy of Stephen Hawking. However, if you tell people they live on an insignificant speck of dust, why be surprised when they have no nobility? Whether Christianity, or any other religion, is ultimately true or not, even from a sociological point of view, telling people they are nothing, that the beginning and end of their life is forfeit at a whim, and the in-between is a tale 'told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing,' then don't complain when society crumbles into totalitarianism as the 'strong' rise up over the weak because people aren't worth anything.

Christianity has bad stuff in its past and present, but at least we have a high standard we can be recalled to, and our vision of what a human being is is meant to ennoble and inspire. In a Hawking/Dawkins/Harris universe, the principle 'Greater love has no man, than to lay down his life for his brother' is sheer unsubstantiated folly, and those who try to cling to it are living on borrowed capital.

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I an not surprised when they have no nobility!

I am disappointed when they do not exploit the opportunities that are present to expand their knowledge and or ability!!! I am disappointed when individuals don't make the best out of themselves !!! I am disappointed that people still blame their problems and trials on gods and not on the fact they are living with themselves and other unintellectual individuals that blame their misfortunes on gods and others. I am disappointed that you think the universe is flat!!!

hope for the best

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